UKC

Getting extra warmth from a sleeping bag

New Topic
This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings.
 Fredt 22 Jul 2011
I have a 2/3 season sleeping bag, but I'm off to a cold place, where the night temperatures could drop to -10 degrees.
So what are the most effective options for increasing warmth?
I would be using a bivvi bag anyway, so in addition to that...

Silk liner?
Pertex outer?
Wearing all my clothes?
All of the above?
Any other suggestions/materials, bearing in mind weight is an issue?
Removed User 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

I would go for a silk liner as a minimum, then I'd also be wearing clothes. At -10, I tend to go for powerstretch top and bottom, and socks - never forget socks

Do you run hot or cold? And what sort of rollmat would you use?
 1906johns 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: i have a ME xero and its amazing however i would recommend getting one of the extreme range, inside a gore tex bivvy bag and you're sorted, well thats all I have ever needed.

http://www.mountain-equipment.co.uk/the_gear/down_sleeping_bags/

Alex
In reply to Fredt: nalgene full of hot water stuffed into the bag before you go to bed increases the warmth of the bag and reduced the amout of energy your body uses to warm it up.

Drink/eat some hot foods before going to bed and get yourself a good roll mat like a thermarest or even warmer downmat as most of your heat is transferred to the ground
 Monk 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

Will you be carrying the bag? If not then a cheap second bag could be one solution.

However, I have found that a Rab Survival Zone/Alpikit Hunka and a silk liner nicely add to the warmth of a bag. Also a good sleeping mat is essential. In mid winter I often use 2 - a 3/4 length ultralight thermarest and a 3/4 length karrimat.

Will you have a down jacket with you? That could be draped over you too (perhaps in side the bag if there is room), and don't forget to wear a hat to bed.
ice.solo 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

down or synthetic booties will make an amazing difference (synthetic if youve got your boots in with you).

then a down/synth top and bottoms.

the booties, top and bottoms need not weight too much (you will be carrying a top already i assume.

another option is to just get another 2/3 season bag. can be a synthetic thats cheaper, and actually not a bad idea for bivvies combined with a down bag, a bit of extra moisture insurance.

maybe bulk up your sleeping mat too to minimize heat loss there.

minus 10 is the beginning of real cold, the kind where a bit of a shuffle and a few squats wont warm you up much.
dont underestimate it if its your first time to such temps.
 gear boy 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: you dont say what bag you have? what is it, how old is it?

just a question, as it may be better to go for another bag rather than buy extras that wont work, because what you have got to start with isnt up to the job

answer above, then easier to offer advice

GB
 SFM 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

A few things I've found work well:
- silk liner
- eating a protein rich meal/snack before sleeping
- wrapping a down/synthetic vest(or jacket) around midrift in sleeping bag
- wearing warm socks and hat
- warming the bag and yourself up before sleeping
- minimising cold transfer from ground
 tony 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

If it's a down bag, have it cleaned before you go. It won't be the complete answer, but it'll help.
OP Fredt 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

Thanks for the answers so far. Its a synthetic bag, and I have a Neo-Air mat.
I will be carrying it all, so weight is critical.
 gear boy 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: how old is the synthetic bag? has it been stored compressed? if its a few years old and stoed compressed you could have lost a fair bit of efficiency,

Honestly, I would hunt out a down bag suitable for the temps, if price is issue, go google, there are deals around
 Monk 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:
> (In reply to Fredt)
>
> Thanks for the answers so far. Its a synthetic bag, and I have a Neo-Air mat.
> I will be carrying it all, so weight is critical.

So, what bag is it and how old is it? Will you be camping? Are you expecting it to be down to -10 every night? And how many nights will you be out? And how good a sleep do you want to get?And what is your budget?

-10 is pretty damn cold. I think that if the bag was 3 season, you'd be fine but 2 season will be closer to 'survival' mode than 'good night's rest' mode. For just a night or two, you'll probably be ok but I think that I would be tempted to look at a new bag before spending money on silk liners and bivis (Alpkit?).
Removed User 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Monk:

A silk liner makes sense anyway as it helps keep the sleeping bag clean.
 stonemaster 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: Bivvy bag and something for the head. Good luck.
OP Fredt 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Monk:

OK, its a ME Skywalker, about 8 years old, but not used a great deal.

I expect to be looking for sheltered bivvi sites, for a week long trip. The temperature is said to vary from zero to -10 degrees at that time of year.

 franksnb 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: an exped dreamwalker is a like a down jacket that folds out to a bed, looks amazing. or get a peid d'elephant + down jacket?

i lay my down jacket over me rather than wear it you get better loft.

OR..

get an exped down mat, they are meant to make a really big difference
 Monk 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

Maybe I'm a wimp, but I never trust bag ratings and often find that I would add on at least 5 degrees to their minimum comfort temperature (meaning I would be happy using the Skywalker down to about freezing for bivvying). If I was planning on bivvying for a week in sub-zero temperatures, I would be buying a new bag.

Having said that, will the daytime temperatures be warm? I find that if i know I will be toasty once the sun comes up, then I can cope with colder nights, but if I know i'll be cold when I get out of my pit I find it much harder.

 antdav 22 Jul 2011
Its better to slide a half zipped up jacket or fleece over the sleeping bag rather than wear it. The bag is the best insulator so needs the body heat to warm up and do its job. It'll also help compress the bag closer to you minimizing the amount of air that can flow into the bag if you move while you sleep and protect against the cold coming through the zip.

A silk liner or wicking baselayer top and legs is better than cotton although good socks help as the feet dont produce much heat and move a lot in sleep. If you're bag is longer than you then lay your backpack over the extra or use the compression sack to minimize the air space further. Keep the neck cosrd done up as tight as comfortable.
 asmith37 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

I think a decent mat will make a massive difference, having used both a neoair and downmat 7, the downmat is so much warmer and I nearly always sacrifice the weight penatly for the additional warmth and comfort. I do sleep fairly warm, but i was quite comfortable in scotland last christmas down to about -5 with an alpkit pd400.
 Mr Lopez 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:

Where are you heading? Do you want to be comfortable or just get some sleep? Bear in mind that even though in places temperatures 'can go down to -10' it doesn't mean they will, so you can have a compromise of weight savings and risking a couple of cold nights.

My 2 pence worth (most have been mentioned, but for the sake of grouping it tohgether...):

- Silk liner - Effective but probably not necessary, specially if weight is an issue.

- Pertex outer - (Bivy bag in general) Indispensable if bivying out. Not only it increases warmth a little bit but stops the wind stealing your precious warm air.

- Wearing clothes - Yep, when weight is an issue i factor in clothing in my sleeping kit. To carry clothing and then take it off to get in a sleeping bag that is heavier than it should is taking luxuries, plus the action of taking clothes off makes you lose on precious body heat.

Wear everything but belay/down jackets in the bag. I found that wearing heavy insulating clothing in the bag makes you colder than not wearing it, as it stops the body heat warming up the inside of the bag and makes you feel very cold in the legs, head, feet and hands. They work better on top of the bag like a quilt, between the bag and the bivy bag is best.

Put your gloves in your feet (handy to have long cuff gloves, if you carry mitts here is where they come on their own), put your hood on, make sure you close the bag tight around your neck/head and cinch tight those shoulder baffles.

- Hot water bottle - One of the niftiest tricks for sleeping warm. Using an Evian bottle or similar allows you to hug it for extra sweet dreams... A pee bottle is equally effective but don't mention it in the pub. A poo-tube doesn't work, so don't try it!

- Food/drink - Eat well before going to sleep, from inside the bag if possible (Like, when you are inside, not with the head in). Slightly fatty foods are best to keep you warm at night, such as meat sausages, cheese, olive oil, etc. Being well hydrated is very important, but if you drink too much too fast you'll have to get out the bag to pee, which is counterproductive to a warm night. Start drinking slowly from the moment you stop, and go to the loo before nap-time.

- Sleeping mat - Important to have a decent one. Foam pads are warmest and lighter, but you won't look as cool as someone with the latest £100 inflatable gimmick. Get them back by laughing at them when they get a puncture. Sure to warm you up inside.

If snowy bivy stick the pad inside the bivy bag. If you leave it out snow will pile between you and the mat which is like having no mat at all. Even if not snowy do so, as it stops you ending up outside the mat and waking up shivering.

If you have a foam mat as you should, and your bivy bag is one of the mummy shapes alpine style bag, then chop it to shape to fit in (the mat, don't chop the bag!). Extra points for weight saving and the alpine warrior look.

- Good spirits/attitude/psychology - Yep, the most important part of having a good night. Accept the cold and convince yourself that is not that bad. Think how this cold means you are sleeping out somewhere wild rather than a Holiday Inn in Skegness. Smile and count yourself lucky that you are 'privileged' enough to be there. Learn to enjoy it. When/if it get's too much tell yourself that is only a momentary inconvenience which will pass in a few hours. Don't think on it and relax, your body will get the drift that you are ignoring it's warnings after a while and stop pissing you off.

In the wise words of 'GhostDog'... "There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. But doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to everything."

Happy camping!

 gear boy 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt:
> (In reply to Monk)
>
> OK, its a ME Skywalker, about 8 years old, but not used a great deal.


get a new bag is my advice then
 Toerag 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: Asthe ground is likely to be frozen I'd suggest that more mat is the most important thing - water has a huge heat capacity so keeping away from the frozen/wet ground will probably be the most sensible thing.
 itsThere 22 Jul 2011
In reply to Fredt: buy some of those hand warmers, they dont weigh much but do last a long time, dont know how effective they are but they could help if you get really cold

also if you have all your stuff on inside the sleeping bag when you get out you still might need summit to keep you warm unless you stay in your sleeping bag for the day. might be better to get a new bag

New Topic
This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings.
Loading Notifications...