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Has anyone used the Paramo Enduro jacket for Scottish winter climbing ? Last season I usually walked in a soft shell and added hard shell if needed, or at start of route.  I also carried a light weight synthetic insulation for under the hardshell and an old DAS parka as a belay jacket.

With the enduro jacket would I only need to carry the belay jacket as a spare ?  
 

I like the idea that if a tear a paramo in a chimney, it can be just seen up, opposed to ruining an expensive pro shell? 
 

Do you get too sweaty in the walk in ? Are they limited in flexibility and more suited to hill walkers ?

Now they have a shop in Fort William, a demo range would be ideal! 

I haven't but one of my mates has for years.

I use paramo salopettes in winter and find them superb in cold, snowy conditions, so don't see why the jacket should be any different. It's basically a burly softshell.

Where the salopettes let me down is in the rain. They absorb loads of water and when you lean against anything it presses through. This isn't so much of a problem for walkers but it's grim for climbing. Not necessarily a problem if you avoid rainy walk ins or have a different jacket for those conditions.

I suspect that I would roast walking into crags in a paramo jacket but walking in wearing a super light windproof would solve that if you didn't mind carrying the paramo jacket.

I've winter climbed for over 30 years and I don't think I have ever ripped a shell jacket. The odd crampon hole in trousers but never managed it with a jacket. 

I have though melted a hole through a softshell (and fleece underneath it) when I was a bit blase using one of those charcoal hand warmers. Fortunately a heavy wool baselayer turned out to be flameproof and protected me from any burns! So whatever jacket you have, maybe don't use it with a charcoal hand warmer. 

I've used paramo extensively in Scotland. It's excellent as far more breathable than the best goretex.so if run.hot like me it's far better. They last forever as well. 

I wore goretex trousers as legs don't sweat as much.

I have one- it has served me very well through many adventures. Excellent in winter- when I use it I walk in wearing a thermal t shirt and paramo on top, if I sweat the wicking layer will sort it out. I sized up so the sleeves would be long enough and so I could fit a big belay jacket underneath. Cut and hood are good- it's a climber's jacket first and foremost. The material is very hard wearing and easy to mend. For climbing I would recommend having at least one insulating layer between you and the paramo- I typically use something made with polartech alpha.

20+ years Aspira jacket owner here.  Mainly a walker these days.  It works well in winter, with a base layer for walking in, and maybe a thin R1 fleece as well.  It shifts the sweaty moisture better than Goretex in my experience.  Worn with vintage 1990s Berghaus Goretex salopettes (quite possibly over Ron Hills!) for warm midriff and legs in full winter conditions.  I may take a belay layer that goes over it (also Paramo) but rarely needed, or another insulation layer to go under the jacket - YMMV.  Not stylish, not fast and light, not athletic-looking, but neither am I.

Try before you buy, as Paramo sizes can be on the generous side.  If you go to one of their branded stores you seem to get a discount on NT or Ramblers membership, probably also BMC, in my experience, but they don't necessarily advertise it - no harm in asking if you're about to buy an expensive jacket.  And they sell clearance/seconds items on ebay but sizes etc are variable.

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In reply to Paddlermatt:

I use a Paramo Enduro but walk in wearing a Rab alpinelite softshell jacket. Switch to a grid vest/ hoody and use the Rab Alpinelite as a mid layer with the Enduro over the top and a belay jacket in reserve. Salopettes are Buffalo. 

My woollen school uniform trousers (long ago) had some little burn marks on the surface where I dripped molten steel on them in metalwork class. It didn't go all the way through.

I've been using an Enduro for the past 5 or so years for winter climbing and mountaineering. It's been great, and I've never had to wear anything underneath it other than a base layer t-shirt, and never needed to put anything extra over the top of it. I don't take any mid layers anymore, I just wear the Enduro all day, and then an ME citadel as an emergency layer.

Paramo is good for Scottish winter, but not as good, and far more expensive than Buffalo.