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Morning all...

On Friday night I was pulled over for speeding on the A9 near Aviemore. The police were in a car and caught me with a hand held speed gun. Apparently I was doing 87 in a 60 zone, so too fast for an on the spot fine and I will be sent a summons.

I have read reports about the inaccuracies of these guns and their users. I accept that I was speeding but is it worthwhile contesting this and trying to get the fixed penality. What is the speed limit for the fixed penality?

Anyone out there got any experiences with this.

Thanks in advance
Euge

In reply to Euge:


So accept your punishment with good grace.

It's a 60 limit for a reason!

In reply to Euge: You naughty boy......perhaps you could try and say you are an undercover copper, and was just "practising" in your high speed car

or claim Diplomatic Immunity

In reply to Euge: My father got caught doing a similar sort of speed and was sent a summons rather than a fixed penalty notice! He then contacted his solicitor to contest this and the summons was dropped on the case of bad light! Hope this helps

In reply to Aimee: Agreed, you got caught. 87 in a 60 is much more difficult to argue. Accept your points with honour and next time have the eyes of an eagle

In reply to Euge: Yeah, it's terrible the way the traffic laws make money for the government. They aren't there to ensure the saftey of other road users at all.

Good grief. Just accept the points and cough up the fine. You broke the law and it's a law that is there to protect peoples lives.

In reply to Euge:
i "think" the boundry between fixed and summonds is 15mph over the limit but that's a vague memory, check the t'internet for more info

In reply to rallymania: it's not, I got three points and sixty quid fine for 84 in a 60

In reply to Craig Geddes: I think the guy is probably ashamed of himself enough as it is without your smart comment. Holier than thou are we ?
Why not just make a joke out of it like the rest of us ?

In reply to Kevin Livingstone:


I didn't make a joke out of it!

In reply to Euge:
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time



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Only kidding Euge, bad luck mate. What are all these people breaking your balls like? As if they've never gone over the speed limit....

Stevo

In reply to Euge:

if it's worth (financially) you getting a lawyer you will probably find that on a legal basis you can contest it's accuracy (positioning and 'not been calibrated recently)

I know people use this when they are at risk of using their licence and it often works (but I think it's expensive)

In reply to Euge:
I got caught by a hand held laser at a distamce of 400m, apparantly I was doing 96 although my speedo was just over 90. I did some research on the web and the manufacturers only validate the gun to 100 yards, any greater distance produces inaccuracies. Also the police lied and said the road was wet when it was a sunny summers afternoon.
however I just took the 5 points and £300 fine. What a country. Hope this helps

In reply to an:
you right! (well obviously, i mean it actually happened to you so you should know lol)

http://www.traffic-answers.com/speeding.htm

read the at what speed am i likely to be booked... as a guide only
AN you were between 10 and 25
OP you were more than 25 over hence the summons

BTW

personally i don't completely subscribe to the speed kills attitude that the police / government / others preach
HOWEVER what does kill is the IN-APPROPRIATE or UNSKILLED use of speed. that's the real problem. many people pass their test and then believe they have learnt all the need to know to drive at high speed, which lets face it is just plain silly. or that their car will protect them... which may be true but what about everyone else?

<climbs off soap box, gets coat, shuffles out of the room>

In reply to dodski: "What a country"- bit harsh, you were doing at least 20 miles over the limit, even if the speedo was "just over 90". Dont see whay you've got to complain about, really.

In reply to Euge: I think that celeb lawyer Nick Freeman has a website with stuff , might be a tad expensive to get him to represent you personally. 87 is very naughty though, that kind of speed turns any crash fatal.

In reply to Euge:

I got a 28day ban (and big fine) for 92 in 60, think you'll get points not a ban but it might be close if the weather was bad or it was dark

In reply to Euge:

You will never get away with it, because the speed gun isnt going to have an inaccuracy of 27 mph now is it?

Just accept that you were driving too fast.
When you get the court summons you wil get an opportunity to plead guilty by post, and your fine will be £60 with costs of around £30 after the hearing.

Trying to create a defence when you were so far over the limit will annoy the magistrate and you will end up with a larger fine (for being cocky) and more costs for using more of the court's time.

In reply to Euge: I got caught doing 59 in a 30, in my defence it was in the country but just before the national speed limit sign.

I got 3 points and £180 I think. Deffinately only 3 points though.

Never seen mobile cameras there, just the fixed ones which are obvious. 87 isn't that fast on that road. There's sectiosn which are dual carriageways and straight. Though there is the added danger of deer. Hitting a stag at 87 would be nasty.

In reply to Kevin Livingstone: He doesn't sound ashamed - he sounds like he is trying to get out of it. And I can accept being accused of "holier than thou" if it was a moral stance but it's not. It's a stance about the fact that he was endangering other road users in a complete lack of consideration. If he was asking "caught tresspassing how do I get out of it?" or something similar then it might be a different matter but this is more akin to "caught dropping bricks onto busy highstreet, how do I get out of 'endangering the public' (or whatever they call it) charges?"

In reply to ceri:
Yeh, you're right that was a stupid thing to say. It was more the lying that got me. I had had an arguement with a Jamacian lawyer at work who said the police routinely lied. Obviously I stood up for the boys in blue, never again. there was no need to gilder this lily.

In reply to Euge: I've been done a couple of times at 99 in a 70, dual carriage way or motorway but got just the 3points and fine. By the same token was stopped at 110 in a 60 and got a two week ban and no points with the requisite begging letter from my work reducing a potential 3 month ban, £480 fine though.
Everyone speeds and those who say they don't are lieing, the chances now that if you do a lot of miles, I do 30k a year, then you are gambling with your license as there is no discretion, a slight loss of concentration through a speed camera set at 35 will get you three points whether it is outside of a school in the middle of he day or the middle of the night when no kids are around.

In reply to Ady Short: A slight loss of concentration could also kill a family stood at a bus stop. I am not going to pretend that I have never broken the speed limit and I have myself got 3 points, but 110 in a 60 is seriously stupid and you deserved to lose your licence for substancially longer than 2 weeks. By Dad drives 30,000 plus miles a year and does not have any points, so it is certainly possible.

In reply to Aimee:


And you always drive within the speed limit?! I expect you own a caravan as well.

In reply to yesbutnobutyesbut:

Would that explain the long journeys?

In reply to Clumper: NOt sure where that went? Don't know about the long journeys but it probably explains why theres a trowel on her back seat!

In reply to Nick B: 60 is the national single carriageway limit. I can point at a LOT of roads where 110 need not be dangerous, yet it's regarded the same as hooning round like a loon on an estate?
Speed does NOT kill. Sudden stops DO.

The 'slight loss of concentration' may involve actually watching a potential hazard, rather than the speedo, don't forget?

I'm not defending any individual, merely pointing out how a 'safety camera' can be anything but safe...

TTG

In reply to O Mighty Tim:

Lets be honest about this. We all speed. Its a consequence of living in this congested country. When you do get a bit of open road its essential to put your foot down in order to get to anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.

Lets not patronise those of us who are unlucky enough to get caught and accept that if we are caught we pay the fine and send of the liscence to the particular police authority concerned.

In reply to Clumper: Ok, I'm going to take your logic and do the maths: lets say an above average journey length is 20miles and the average speed limit on that journey is 45. So that's approx a 25min journey give or take. Say you speed and do an average of 60, that's a quite a large difference and will make a big difference to how safe your trip is. Well fancy that you just shaved 5minutes off your journey time and cut it down to 20mins. Much more of a "reasonable amount of time" naturally.

In reply to Euge:

A lot of the problem with the A9 is the crapness of the road. Tesco lorries doing 40mph, Sunday drivers doing 50mph all week. It's no wonder people get caught speeding there all the time. It is a dangerous road, but the danger aspect is a lot to do with the frustration that causes people to do long fast overtakes and booting it on clear /dual carriageway sections. I hate this road. Bad luck.


Davie

In reply to Craig Geddes:

If I could do an average of 60 I wouldn't have to speed would I?

In reply to Euge:
in all fairness i think that in many cases speed limits are draconian.

in 30 and 40mph areas i would never speed. On motorways i always drive around 80-90 and on some A roads at ~70. Most traffic cops wont touch you if you are doing under 90 as that is generally the speed of the traffic flow.

I say this not to sound big or clever but as a fact. Modern cars can be driven at higher speeds than 70mph and be safer than older cars doing that speed. The key is driving to the condditions, ie low light,vis,poor conditions speed should be reduced to a 'safe' level.

In reply to Craig Geddes:

Fair enough......when I think about it, you are right so I take it back...Merry Xmas

In reply to Euge:
Heyho Euge, long time no see!
Only thing I can think is that if the gun hasn't been calibrated the result is invalid, its a gamble though, one of the boys at work up here tried asking for the cert. in court and they came down like a ton of bricks when it was well withing the certification period!

I suspect you'll have to bend over and take it with as good grace as possible.

Gives a shout sometime and we'll have to catch up!

In reply to Ozzrik:

I have some considerable experience of recieving speeding fines, for some reason my accelerator keeps getting stuck to the floor, regardless of what i try to do!!! Contest it in everyway possible. As soon as there's an appeal the coppers drop it, in my experience, as the bastards get enough money out of all the suckers who sign on the dotted line and pay up.

P.S - Road angel, works well.

In reply to Euge:


If you contest it make sure that none of the plod are reading this as you have just admited you were speeding. Not a great start to your defence.

In reply to Nick B:

By that arguement you should never drive a car! As I'm sure you have never ever ever been distracted, even momentarly, while driving.

In reply to Euge:

What's the point? You have admitted you were speeding. If you hadn't been, then that's an entirely different matter and worth fighting all the way.

In reply to Euge:

You were almost 50% over the speed limit. The A9 is a very dangerous road and one of the big reasons is people who think speed limits don't apply to them.

Please guitly by post, be graceful and most of all *learn* from the experience and start to curb your speed.

In reply to IainRUK:

If the speed limit was 60 he was on a single carriageway section - it's 70 on the dual sections. And even the dual sections are not safe for 90 as they have a lot of nasty junctions.

In reply to Euge:
I got done in Manchester at 57 in a 40 zone and recived notice of intent to prosecute. When I asked them to look at the photo really, really carefully and they then agreed that they could see the ambulance with lights flashing approaching at speed behind me in my lane as i had suggested was the case they nicely decided that no further action was appropriate. God bless them one and all I say!

In reply to Euge: Don't you know that posting anything about speeding on this site is akin to asking for a good kicking from the "righteous" ones? Prepare to eat mountains of humble pie - "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" etc. Wear a hair shirt and beat yourself with birch twigs for a month . The hand held guns are easier to challenge in court as they are less reliable - it's up to you. If you were caught doing nearly 50% over the limit it might be 6 points and so could be worth contesting. ....incoming righteousness - my helmet is on

In reply to John Kirk:

Take the helmet off and put the thinking cap on. Why do you think people might be a bit sensitive about this topic?

In reply to Andy Say:

don't you that people over 57 are not allowed to drive in MAnchester !

In reply to Papillon:

because they believe that the world can be made safe through rules.

In reply to John Kirk: no

In reply to SJD:

You might think that, but as I've posted before on here, I've been done for doing 79mph on the M6 in Cumbria in dry conditions in the middle of the day.

In reply to Stuart S:

but that's because you are an evil, baby eating psychopath, how can you stand to keep on living with that on your conscience ?? (from Mr Holier -than-thou, righteous one who has never sped !!)

In reply to John Kirk:

I got caught for doing 71 in a 60 on the A9 two weeks ago. My fault and a £60 fine.

Do you think people should be let off for not having an MOT?

In reply to John Kirk: Or the copper had just spilt his cup of tea on his bollox and was pissed off.

I've only heard on one person being caught at around 83 on a motorway. Generally outside of roadworks you ar fine until 85 ish..

In reply to IainRUK:
Not on the M6 in Cumbria, mate. They have three bridge sites for vans and apply the rule of limt+10%+2 mph pretty dam' rigorously.

In reply to IainRUK: What about overtaking cop cars? I always do it at 75, though I saw someone go past at 80 at the weekend and get away with it.

In reply to Andy Say: I've always been fine in Culbria, I've been caught twice on the M56 in Cheshire, doing 94 each time, so no complaints.

In reply to Donald M:

I am completely in favour of law enforcement (including MOTs), I have 3 points myself for doing 38 in a 30 zone, but what I don't like is the attitude of some posters on here who mount their high horse and castigate people caught speeding and seeking advice on what to do next. The tone is all about seeking to reduce risk to zero - which is not possible, and in my book is related to a society that increasingly doesn't want to walk the streets, let its children play outside, allows bolts to be placed all over the place, insists on poeople having MLTB certs who are still useless in the mountains and wants to insure everything. Get the picture ?

In reply to Papillon: I tend to sit back and let them leave. I'm sure they drive at just over 70 waiting for people to overtake.

I always worry that when they leave they are going to come straight down the entry ramp and catch me as I start to speed up.

In reply to John Kirk:

You must live in a very bizarre part of the country then that insist people have MLs. Most people I know don't and many outdoor centres still have people leading on the hills without them.

The law is perfectly clear and complaining either way on here will make no difference.

In reply to IainRUK:

Have a look at http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/index.php?sites
The bottom sites are the ones on the M6 and show their coverage.

In reply to Papillon: worst thing you can do - according to a friend who is a traffic cop (yes that's right !) - is to brake when you see them, or do any stupid manouevres. Just lift your foot of the gas and slow down gradually. Unless you are doing over 80 they will give the benefit of the doubt - as they have to get you doing more than 77 as they work on 10% speedo error.

In reply to Andy Say:
Or this is better
http://www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/library/SiteListAndMap.htm

In reply to Donald M:
Not complaining about the law - just the "holier than thou" attitude which sometimes sounds straight from the pulpit.

In reply to BIgYeti86:

No, we all get distracted, but it is not an excuse. If you are distracted enough not to see speed cameras you should not be on the road.

In reply to Nick B:

some of them are still painted grey - to match the sky ? and are all but invisible.

In reply to John Kirk:

Shit I'm lucky, I've stupidly done that, in Cumbria aswell!

In reply to John Kirk: I've found that making eye contact, to acknowledge they're there is often all you need...
Yes, I'm awake, and alert, and I know you're the Police, kind of thing?
Sadly, cameras don;t care.
Whatever colour.
They can be 'lost' in teh clutter, some around Birmingham are buried in the general signage, and whilst looking for signs to where you are going, and manoevering safely, etc, a camera is relatively EASY to miss... Especially when it's enforcing a 30 limit on what would seem to be a 40MPH road!

TTG

In reply to O Mighty Tim:

Too many signs and lights- the Dutch are getting rid of them and kerbs and having fewer accidents.

In reply to Papillon:

yep, they are much more interested in people driving badly - no signals, weaving in an out of lanes, tailgating, on the phone etc as they know that is what causes most of the accidents they have to deal with.

In reply to Clumper:

You still don't NEED to speed, you choose to. If the problem is getting to meetings etc then just judge your travel time appropriately.

Ade

In reply to John Kirk:


What can I say? I have no consience and I like the taste of babies.

The effect of being done for 79mph has turned me into a complete cynic as far as Cumbria police and safety enforcement is concerned. Given that the M6 was quiet at the time, and road conditions were good, the speeding ticket seemed much more motivated by fund raising rather than safety-driven.

Yes, I was speeding, but for that margin (right on the 10% + 2mph), I'd have rather given my fine to the charity of their choice.

This was all about a week before Carlisle police station got flooded out a couple of winters ago. I confess to not being sympathetic.

In reply to Stuart S:

but in Cumbria traffic offences are probably a big part of the stats they need to report to Govt to maintain the force - apart from the likes of Barrow and the like;crime is fairly limited isn't it ? I remember the Polcie getting very excited in Llanberis because someone had "stolen" a barrel of slops from outiside the Vaynol - when they arrived and started arresting people it was like a cross between Hawaii 5-0 and the Simpsons. Hilarious.

In reply to soveda:


Common sense!

If people want to speed do it then, I do every day but you have to be prepared to accept that you might get caught every now and again.

In reply to Stuart S: Most of the speed traps in Cumbria aren't run by the police themselves - they're these 'community safety vans' or whatever they call them (do they work for the council?) - most of the plod hate them too...

In reply to andy: I believe they are partnerships between the Police and Local Authorities.

In reply to Craig Geddes:
If he was asking "caught tresspassing how do I get out of it?" or something similar then it might be a different matter but this is more akin to "caught dropping bricks onto busy highstreet, how do I get out of 'endangering the public' (or whatever they call it) charges?"


Excuse... but where the f**k did you get that from.. I accepted that I was speeding and I am not trying to get out of it. I was questioning the accuracy of the speed gun... If it is a difference of 5MPH between my what the gun said and a fixed fine I would be tempted to contest it...

Thanks all for the advise and even the criticism.. Must remember to leave those bricks at home??

Euge

I think the danish have the right solution to this problem: See: youtube.com/watch?v=XBvzDsqOEcU&

Personally I speed, when it's safe to do so. i do 30+k per year throughout the borders of Scotland between midnight and 7am mainly. Empty roads I judge a safe speed. If its icy I go slow, if its warm I'm not quite so slow!

Incidentally the Cumbrian police are the only force who have a mobile speed van that can work at night. All the others are day time ones. Aside of course from the cars and the fixed point cameras.

I still swear by my snooper. i use an S2 which is about 80 quid, detects everything and works a treat!

In reply to John Kirk:
Those alloy barrels are very expensive!

In reply to Stuart S:

Aah, thats unfortunate. i have been pulled over bofire doing 90 on a clear day with no traffic and just gently told i was being naughty. But the officer agreed that what i had done was not dangerous.

Ive got real issues with the A9, particularly the Tesco lorries doing 40mph (and less) which leads to frustration and risks being taken time and time again. Perhaps the police should get back on the "tough on the causes of crime" bandwagon and do something about the slow drivers, not just the fast ones.

In reply to Barber Baz:

I bet the Tesco lorries are not doing 40mph just to piss you off, perhaps they are going uphill?

In reply to Simon22: They do 40mph on the flat and slow down on the uphill sections thanks to torque, i think. They only speed up (slightly) to overtake each other on the few sections of dual carriageway when others are tying to make up time. I do the journey almost every weekend, im developing into a nice stunt driver.

In reply to Simon22:

Or maybe they're sticking to the speed limit for lorries (Tescos and otherwise) on a single carriageway road?

In reply to deepsoup: i think its the internal Tesco policy on fuel efficiency.

In reply to deepsoup:

Or driving deliberately slowly to annoy people???

In reply to deepsoup:

the A14 and A1 have to be top for this behaviour - once sat behind two lorries across both lanes for seven miles . I know they are trying to stay in the right gear/save fuel and money - but sometimes I think they are just doing it to piss off the car drivers .

In reply to Barber Baz: Nah, as deepsoup said it's the speed limit for lorries on single carriageways.

In reply to Papillon: You're right, its a real pain in the ass though, and i suspect the cause of countless accidents.

In reply to John Kirk:
I agree with you on that, the A14 is awful for that.
Especially between huntingdon and cambridge and near kettering the other way

I have read reports about the inaccuracies of these guns and their users. I accept that I was speeding but is it worthwhile contesting this and trying to get the fixed penality. What is the speed limit for the fixed penality?

Anyone out there got any experiences with this.


In all the excitement and general hoo-ha of this thread, I noticed the original questions hadn't really been answered!

First off, the "limit" for a fixed penalty is the speed limit. If you're going anything faster than that, you can be given one. The Home Office/CPS have a list of guideline speeds for the issue of a FPT, but that's exactly what they are: guidance. Generally, for a motorway it's around 85mph and above to get a FPT. 95+ you're going to court.

HOWEVER...it's very much at the discretion of the officer, who might decide to FPT you if you'd been doing 32mph in a 30 zone past a school at 3pm. It's up to them based on a number of factors. I'd say even if the road was empty for two miles in either direction, you're not going to have much in the way of a defence to doing nearly 30% over the speed limit. The fact you were hammering it so hard you failed to spot the marked traffic unit and bloke in flourescent jacket...

Even if you get a FPT you always have the option to go to court, and the legal system means ANYTHING that might call into question the facts of the case is fair game. Under criminal law it's got to be beyond reasonable doubt. Your best bet is to ask to see the calibration of the gun, or that the officer had been regularly refresher trained on the system. A similar example might be, if a bobby has to CS spray you, even if you were absolutely asking for it, if he missed his CS or PAVA refresher training by so much as a day, he'd be classed as having used a weapon on you for which he was insufficiently trained, and therefore probably unlawfully. Ditto a speed gun.

What i'd probably say is, compared to the amount of money you'll have to fork out to get a lawyer prepared to take it on, I'd probably take the points and fine on this one, unless you've already got 9 and are going to lose your job and house as a result of a ban. Remember if you challenge and lose you get to pay costs too!

Good luck

PS. To the posters who think the police get the money....they WISH they did! It all goes back to HM Government via the courts. If not we'd be getting more than a crummy 3% rise this year

In reply to Barber Baz:
I don't think Tescos have an internal policy on fuel efficiency do they? Their transport/distribution is contracted out (or at least it was a few years ago).

That said, I did once do a single shift as an agency driver in a Tescos lorry (for Wincanton), and they had a fuel economy "league table" posted up on a noticeboard in the office. No idea if there was a prize for the driver with the highest mpg, but it did strike me as a good idea.

My journey wasn't very fuel efficient that night, the fridge broke down en route and the load was rejected so I just had to turn round and take it back.

It definitely is policy (at least officially) at any major distribution company to stick to the speed limit though. (Which for a lorry is 40single/50dual/60Mway)

In reply to deepsoup:

that's for HGV1s - any difference for the lighter lorries - often see them doing 70 to 80 .

In reply to John Kirk:
Its 40/50/60 for all HGVs (anything over 7.5tonnes). I think all UK registered HGVs are fitted with speed limiters anyway (could be wrong about that), so they wouldn't make it to 70 unless they're freewheeling downhill. (A rare and rather silly practice, sometimes known as "mexican overdrive".)

Up to 7.5tonnes its 50/60/70 unless they're articulated or towing a trailer, in which case its 50/60/60 the same as it is for cars towing trailers or caravans.

There are some very big 7.5tonners about these days, its hard to tell some of them apart from the smaller HGV's.

In reply to Euge:

everyone speeds.

if you sit at 70 on a motorway everyone overtakes you.

In reply to SI A:

I Concur

In reply to SI A:

I don’t.
I used to drive around the 90 mark on the motorway and I was forever stuck behind someone who was only doing 85 so I would sit on there arse until they moved then blast past as fast as my van would accelerate until I got to the next slow person and the cycle would start again.
Hot under the collar and getting stressed all the time.
Now I amble along at 65 to 70 in the outside lane (the one that most car drivers thinks is for lorries only no matter how empty it might be) and get where I am going stress free often only a few minuets later.

It is the same with driving round towns. I stick to the limit and people will do all they can to get past you and hoon off in to the distance only for me to be sitting behind them at the next set of lights.
I suggest that everyone tries at least once to drive within the speed limit and see what it does to your stress level and an added bonus is the massive difference it makes to your MPG and that really adds up when you drive around 25k a year (if you have a green bent you are helping the environment as well).

In reply to Euge: If you were going for a take away meal you may have a defence http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id...

Or you changed your route http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/6176167.stm perhaps?

Sorry if these links have already been posted..

In reply to Euge:

I got pulled over doing 43 in a 30 zone on the A65 a couple of years ago. Was given the option of taking the fine and penalty or contesting it - chose the former and everything was handled very gentlemanly.

If the speed guns *are* inaccurate, then they aren't *that* inaccurate. Take it on the chin and accept it as either bad luck or a lesson.

Yes, most people break the speed limit on a regular basis, but that doesn't mean that the limits are wrong, just that people don't get caught often enough to change their behaviour.

As to the "fact" that modern cars are safer at high speeds than those around at the time the speed limits (particularly the national and motorway limits) were introduced then, yes they are safer - it's the drivers that are still unsafe and/or not up to driving at those speeds.

boB

In reply to Andy Say:

at least they are up front about locations and why unlike Gwynedd,

OK they do publicise the arrive alive van locations

but the road past woolworths in Porthmadog out to Black rock sands is a good money maker for them locally .. so watch you speed here folks

In reply to Dax H:

Ah! So you're the one!!! Pull over to the left!!!!


I have tried it, and the tiny difference it makes in fuel consumption isn't worth it IMHO.

Ridge

In reply to Anonymous:

I've been swaeting with 9 points until today (now six)& I have to say if you do 70mph on the motorway your stress levels increase as you become a mobile chicane.

Keeping up with the flow of traffic is far easier.....

In reply to Franklin the concerned cat:

I feel I should point out that fighter aircraft on exercise do not constitute 'traffic'...

Ridge

In reply to woolsack:

Or preferably don't speed

In reply to Ian McNeill:
http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/database/WAGW/index.htm

In reply to O Mighty Tim:

Just curious but do you also believe that falling off climbs while soloing is not at all harmful, it's the ground that kills you, therefore in no way can soloing be classified as being any more dangerous than leading and carefully placing gear on route?

In reply to Anonymous:

PMSL!

In reply to Anonymous:
I had a brain fart and got it in my head that the overtaking lane was the inside lane and the “slow lane” was the outside.
I do drive on the left with the HGV’s


I get an average of 37 MPG by driving steady.
In the same van when I used to get my foot down I only got an average of 28 MPG.
That is what 24% extra ? hardly a tiny difference.
Take that over 25k a year and it is a bloody good saving then start to factor in things like bake pads and disks and general wear and tear and it is looking better all the time.

In reply to Euge:
I got done at 9.30 on weds morning just coming into Aviemore from the south. They're obviously busy boys.

Cheers
Charlie

In reply to rallymania:

it is 10% of the limit plus 2 extra mph! I seem to recall!( Unnless it has changed recently)

so at 30 it is 35!
i know my hubby was border line cos he was 36 when he got done in the summer... but having no points and no record got off with the fine.

In reply to Pauline: 10% plus 2mph is the speed at which you'll get done - this is the difference between getting a fixed penalty and a court appearance - surprised that you can get a speeding fine and no points - v unusual I'd have thought.

I think there is something about getting proof that it was calibrated that day or similar.

Remember, kids... speed kills.

*rolls eyes*

In reply to andy: get got the option of a speed awareness course instead at a cost of £60 hence no points... it is a scheme in some areas of lancs and N wales