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Blimey. What a horrid piece of journalism

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troublin...

...and wonderfully and duly picked apart by Charlie Brooker

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir

In reply to sarah79:

Yep, absolutely vile and I only got as far as this bit

"Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again."

It's not just her that's written it, someone approves this stuff too don't they?

In reply to sarah79:

On the plus side she now has her own special section on the (struggling to cope) Press Complaints Commission website...

nb

In reply to ebygomm:

Yep. Obviously, they have their mandate to write hideously ill-informed, right-wing ludicrous journalism but methinks they may have gone too far this time.

I've got a friend who lost her 27 year old brother to a hidden heart defect. He was just walking down a street, collapsed and died.

How she can sleep at night is beyond me

In reply to Nick B, Another One:

Yip. Have registered my own complaint. Apparently, Twitter's gone into overdrive and there about 8 groups on Facebook calling for everything from her to apologise to be killed.

In reply to sarah79: Thank goodness I wasn't the only one who read the article on-line and thought 'what a poisonous illogical insensitive load of rubbish!'

In reply to Marc C:

God no! You and about a million others! (And counting...)

In reply to sarah79:

One of my best friends died in her sleep age 20, I've donated to Cardiac Research in the Young ever since.

I'd suggest a sizeable donation would be in order

In reply to ebygomm:

Aww heck, Liz, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, I think a huge donation plus retraction of sentiment expressed in article would be good.

In reply to sarah79:

A vile piece of journalism up there with the story on the Dunblane teenagers done by the Sunday Express back in April. What is wrong with these people?!

In reply to sarah79:

my sister died aged 4 of an unknown heart condition, I was 15 at the time. I think most people will see the article for the bile that it is.

In reply to Removed User:

I sincerely hope so. My downstairs neighbour died suddenly from natural causes at the age of 25 last year.

In reply to Removed User:

Sincere condolences, Simon. I've not lost anyone directly in this way but know people who have and the initial ambiguity of the death is horrific. Made all the worse in such a public way by M(r)s Moir...

In reply to Toby S:


although apparently it didnt go into the Irish edition.
Which makes me wonder was it just standard practice, eg her pieces are always replaced by an Irish specific one, or did someone look at it and realised how offensive it was and hence pulled it. if the latter baffled why they didnt figure out the next logical step.

That said this is the Mail where the Irish edition bigs up the cervical cancer vaccine (since the Irish government arent for it) while the UK one attacks it.

the depressing thing isnt the columnists its the circulation figures.

In reply to sarah79: The Daily Mail prints these dangerous, ill-informed bigoted pieces of hate daily. The biggest tragedy is that it takes the death of a vaguely likeable seeming, well known and photogenic singer before people take any notice. In it's ongoing hunt for contoversy (=sales) in any health related story - mmr, cervical cancer vaccine are the two that immediately spring to mind, or any mention of people who are different - be it race, ethnicity, sexuality or whatever- it has probably irrevocably damaged many young lives, but no takes a blind bit of notice.

Absolutely, it's a vile piece of journalism, but it's one small drop of poison in a whole damn ocean of toxicity.

And as to the pornographer in chief at the express...

In reply to dissonance:

I notice her editor forced her to create a twitter account to apologise and she was supposed to be on the Channel 4 news. A statement has been released from her too:

http://ianburrell.independentminds.livejournal.com/7590.html

An apology? Doesn't seem to be.

In reply to sarah79: And of course, she is safe behind the legal principle that you can't libel the dead

In reply to toad:

Yes, I agree. However, I would have to read the Daily Mail every day to take note and that just fills me with a nameless dread...I saw Robin Ince's new show last week and he did a bit on the Mail's take on the release of Binyan Mohammed which was, 'terror suspect gorges on chocolate and doughnuts,' and you sit there laughing at the wit of his semantics but it is sickening...

In reply to sarah79: Apparently M&S have pulled their advertising from the Mail. Hopefully a few more will follow suit.

In reply to sarah79:

I may have to suspend Pat's law of the Daily Mail. Hideous article. She seems to be so thick that she doesn't realise that she doesn't have any piece of evidence for any of her smears except her own prejudices.

In reply to sarah79: I saw a link to it from the Guardian website. It would be almost funny in its mentalness if it wasn't so hurtful to so many people. What a twisted, nasty bitch.

In reply to Peter Walker:

"Brands including Marks & Spencer ask to remove advertising from web page of controversial Jan Moir column on Stephen Gately's death".

In reply to Glyno:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir-complai...

In reply to Glyno: I have always been a Daily Mail reader ( much to my Journalist son's disgust) but even I am considering finally ditching it for good. She is now complaining that there is a heavily orchestrated internet campaign against her and the Press Complaints Authority website crashed today with the weight on complaints.
Steven Gately was a good singer and a human being and his private life was his own business. He will be missed!

In reply to Glyno:

It's a response. It's a measure of feeling. You're not going to change the world on the back of this column, but I think it's very telling that Marks+Sparks have made an assertive move of that nature

In reply to sarah79:

I'm only posting my disgust on here because I have been orchestrated to do so.

In reply to ebygomm:

Yep, it's absolute tosh. I've had a 32 year old friend die of breast cancer, a 40 year old friend die of a heart attack, a 41 year old friend die of a cerebral bleed and a 40 year old work collegue die of an aneurism. Sh*t happens, even to the young, apparently fit and heterosexual.
This reporter seems desperate to create the impression that some sordid act was what killed Gateley simply because he was homosexual.

In reply to teflonpete: Bloody hell!

In reply to sarah79:

I put it down to simply 'bad journalism'

I can see in there the point she was trying to make, or the opinion of ones assumptions, but its done so so disrespectfully and distasteful it beggers belief.

Its just down to non-intellect, grammar and journalistic skills.

Just like a Doctor, being struck off would be totally appropriate

In reply to El-Mariachi:

But when a bad journalist is allowed a very prominent role in today's world, surely that's something more. This is the problem I think a lot of people have with that paper - it occupies this seemingly very harmless place on the newspaper stand but open the pages and out flies - as Toad wrote before - some of the most bigoted and horrific opinions you can find. Its packaging and marketing as protected it for a long time but hopefully that will change.

In reply to teflonpete:
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AND he smoked a couple of joints. The horror!!!

In reply to sarah79:

Im very surprised to be honest, to learn its from the mail. I guess some folks, myself included, perceive the mail to be a leading newspaper, it seems, with articles like this, its desparately grasping at straws to make headlines. I can only match this kind of filth with something you would read in the Sun or the Sport!

Well, like you say, some people have the privelage to speak to the world, and these people should tread extremely careful

In reply to sarah79:

Further proof, if any were needed, that the Daily Mail is an odious sack of hate.

I know that it is an easy target for left-wing scorn; and often defended by equally lazy right-wingers. But it really isn't anything to do with politics, it's more basic than that: The Mail is just run by, and employs, nasty people.

In reply to sarah79: the comments made about the nolan sisters coming from that lass, what type of mirror does she look in in a morning?

In reply to sarah79: Typical mind poison from the Daily hate mail ,homophobic,racist,xenophobic but only a little bit more extreme than the other typical mainstream media propaganda.

In reply to sarah79:


One of the comments contained this reference:

In another paragraph on the same page, Moir wrote: "I've just returned from a girls' weekend in Scotland. In years gone by, we would have been up to the Plimsoll Line in chilled white wine by 3pm and have terrorised every eligible bachelor within a ten-mile radius of our rented cottage..."



THe hypocritical cow. I suspect she is now widely considered to be a suppurating canker sore on the arse tube of humanity.

In reply to sarah79:

This could have been me as well four years ago;
ABOUT 7,000 Britons die from DVT each year and about one-fifth of those deaths are said to be linked to flying. A recent study by the Aviation Health Institute found that 43 per cent of flight-induced DVT cases involved people under the age of 50.

Cramped seating and the limited opportunities to move about on planes can reduce blood flow in the legs and increase the chances of clot formation.

A group of relatives of those who have died from DVT after flying are trying to sue British Airways and other airlines for a failure to give adequate advice about the dangers of DVT following long-haul flights.

In December 2002, the High Court ruled they could not sue airlines over their relatives’ deaths. In July 2003, the campaigners suffered a further setback when they lost a Court of Appeal bid to overturn the High Court ruling. In July this year, they won the right to take their cases to the House of Lords.

One victim, Emma Christoffersen, 28, from Newport, Wales, died of DVT after a 20-hour flight from Australia in 2000.

The mother of a 30-year-old victim, Margaret Carson, from East Kilbride, who died after a three-hour charter flight, has demanded a public inquiry into air travel and DVT. Miss Carson was a keen athlete who played netball and went to the gym three times a week, before her death two years ago.
Carolanne Douglas, 43, from Ratho, Edinburgh, collapsed and died a week after a four-hour flight home from a family holiday in Turkey.


I was walking on Costa blanca yet got DVT and treated five months later after original misdiagnosis. 18 months later had pulmonary odema on both lungs, same as Gateley and had certainly not been taking drugs, having sex with anyone as she seems to extrapolate from his death.

At the least she should be sacked and the mail have to pay compensation for the insult to his family, maybe the mail should be fined punitive fine for publishing this bilge.

In reply to sarah79:

What an ill-informed piece of drivel from a truly hateful person. What more would you expect from the Daily Heil though? Stikes a personal note with me as my dad died from a DVT induced pulmonary oedema a few years ago, aged 52.

In reply to sarah79:

You seem to have missed the wonderfully inelegant reference to the end of the "civil partnership happily ever after myth". Which the odious bint now seems to be claiming was merely a reference to the fact that civil partnerships have problems just like marriages do. Even if that is what she meant, it's a spectacularly bad way to phrase that. On the other hand, of course, she could just be a raving homophobic gobshite...

In reply to victim of mathematics:

Could be....

Maybe she's been driven that way by all the blokes pretending to be gay just to get away from her and her merry band of bints when they're out sinking lakes of Chardonnay!

In reply to Toby S:
Yes, I know ; cannabis use is widespread.
But someone I care about a lot has twice been involved in prosecution for a cannabis offence. Another might mean imprisonment.
I can't find it in me to be as flippant as you about its use.

In reply to sarah79:

Now normally I'd have at least considered the possiblity of a Diana-style outbreak of public hysteria adding to the offence felt about this article, but this really isn't one of those times. This malignant tosh is pretty loathsome, even by the Mail's standards.

Before we all get too focused sticking it to Moir, let's not forget the subs and feature editors across whose desks this piece of "journalism" would have crossed...