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is the new film any good. i presume it must better than episodes I and II ( a slap in the face would have been). how does it compare to the originals?
In reply to imprisoned climber: its absolutley brilliant mate you wont be dissapointed!
In reply to imprisoned climber:
Bloke I work with is a major Star Wars fan and went to see it last night - he said it was really good and by far the best of the new batch, most closely likened to Empire Strikes Back. He is going to see it again later in the week (with his mum. Aaah!)...
My sister isn't such a massive fan, but she said it was dead good too.
Bloke I work with is a major Star Wars fan and went to see it last night - he said it was really good and by far the best of the new batch, most closely likened to Empire Strikes Back. He is going to see it again later in the week (with his mum. Aaah!)...
My sister isn't such a massive fan, but she said it was dead good too.
In reply to imprisoned climber: Very good, a bit obvious, but then it had to be really....as we all knew what was going to be in the story line.
In reply to imprisoned climber: Reaaly, Really good actually, apart from a really cheasey cry of "Noooooooo" from lord vador.
In reply to imprisoned climber: It was so-so - Natalie Portman didn't wear any tight tops.
Also Anakins conversion to the dark side of the force was a bit limp - along the lines of
Darth Sidious - wanna be in my gang?
Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
Darth Sidious - ok, you can be Darth Vader. Wanna wear a black suit and a hoodie?
Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
Also Anakins conversion to the dark side of the force was a bit limp - along the lines of
Darth Sidious - wanna be in my gang?
Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
Darth Sidious - ok, you can be Darth Vader. Wanna wear a black suit and a hoodie?
Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
In reply to Ackk:
That bit sucked. Lots.
Unlike episodes I and II, Return of the Sith actually has a plot, and to make matters better it has a good plot. The idea of the lead character forced into the wrong decision but for all of the right reasons is classic going back to Greek mythology. The tortured hero, wounded and confused, it has the potential for an epic.
Sadly this superb plot and its resultant script were left in the ham-fisted hands of Lucas, a man who taught Spielburg everything he knows about schmaltz. And as such the dialogue is leaden and lifeless. Dath Vaders cry of "noooooo" is merely the flourishing cherry on the turd-cake. Even the incredible special effects cannot make up for the use of the word "younglings" in seriousness. To be honest my eyes and ears were so frazzled by lights and noise that by the time the plot finally hove into view I couldn't really have cared less.
So it's better than I and II but worse than IV, V and VI, making it slightly less than average.
> (In reply to imprisoned climber) Reaaly, Really good actually, apart from a really cheasey cry of "Noooooooo" from lord vador.
That bit sucked. Lots.
Unlike episodes I and II, Return of the Sith actually has a plot, and to make matters better it has a good plot. The idea of the lead character forced into the wrong decision but for all of the right reasons is classic going back to Greek mythology. The tortured hero, wounded and confused, it has the potential for an epic.
Sadly this superb plot and its resultant script were left in the ham-fisted hands of Lucas, a man who taught Spielburg everything he knows about schmaltz. And as such the dialogue is leaden and lifeless. Dath Vaders cry of "noooooo" is merely the flourishing cherry on the turd-cake. Even the incredible special effects cannot make up for the use of the word "younglings" in seriousness. To be honest my eyes and ears were so frazzled by lights and noise that by the time the plot finally hove into view I couldn't really have cared less.
So it's better than I and II but worse than IV, V and VI, making it slightly less than average.
In reply to glyn28:
Yeah I'm with you on that bit but how good was R2D2 at the beginning...stole the show!!!
> Also Anakins conversion to the dark side of the force was a bit limp - along the lines of
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> Darth Sidious - wanna be in my gang?
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> Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
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> Darth Sidious - ok, you can be Darth Vader. Wanna wear a black suit and a hoodie?
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> Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
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> Darth Sidious - wanna be in my gang?
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> Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
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> Darth Sidious - ok, you can be Darth Vader. Wanna wear a black suit and a hoodie?
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> Anakin Skywalker - ok den.
Yeah I'm with you on that bit but how good was R2D2 at the beginning...stole the show!!!
In reply to Sharket: Yeah, but when did he get rockets? That was different.
In reply to imprisoned climber: do you see any random charecters from the origals? appart form r2d2 and c3p0? i wanted to see has solo playing cards with lando for the melenium falcon.
In reply to imprisoned climber: there's obviously Chewbacca
In reply to glyn28: whats he do?
In reply to imprisoned climber: Sad to admit but Han winning the millenium falcon would have to be in approx 18-20 years after Revenge of the Sith - he would actually be a teenager at the moment.
<< gets anorak, climbs into landspeeder and heads off to join the Sandpeople>>
<< gets anorak, climbs into landspeeder and heads off to join the Sandpeople>>
In reply to imprisoned climber: Helps Yoda win a vital battle
In reply to imprisoned climber:
Best of the new star wars films
Great story, crap acting, crap dialouge (which lets face it was the bane of the entire series). Also Anakin turns out to be the thickest baddie since Doctor Evil.
BTW, does anybody else prefer the stop motion effects in the orginal series to the CGI efforts in the new films?
Best of the new star wars films
Great story, crap acting, crap dialouge (which lets face it was the bane of the entire series). Also Anakin turns out to be the thickest baddie since Doctor Evil.
BTW, does anybody else prefer the stop motion effects in the orginal series to the CGI efforts in the new films?
In reply to imprisoned climber:
Think i saw the millenium falcon coming in to land at the beginning of the film.
Think i saw the millenium falcon coming in to land at the beginning of the film.
In reply to imprisoned climber: Saw it last night. Disappointing - the light sabre fights were filmed at too close quarters to have any real impact - too much messy fighting, special effects and whizzing about - not enough stuff on the metaphysical aspects of the force. Only when Yoda was involved did you feel a connection with the original Star Wars. Anyone else think old Obi Wan (Ewan McGregor) was just a touch too WWII fighter pilot in the Dambusters mould? Almost expected to hear 'bandits at 12 o clock - roger, over and out skip'.
In reply to John Wood: I spotted that to, it must have really put some miles on the clock by the time Han Solo gets his hand on it.
In reply to Ackk: Maybe the jedis use the force to wind the clock back....sneaky sods
In reply to Sharket: Your right you can't trust the Jedi, or the Ewok's. I bought an x-wing of one, who had put an add in autotrader, got it home, the blinkin hyper drive fell apart. If I get my hands on him, he'll be bantha fodder!
In reply to Ackk:
Its all got to do with the Jedi trying to take over the galaxy
Its all got to do with the Jedi trying to take over the galaxy
In reply to Tiggs:
Now you mention it Obi was a bit like that and the young Vader was a whimp really. His justification for turning to the Dark Side was about as strong as a Bush case for going to war. Having said that I thought it was great fun for a couple of hours, Yoda was a complete star and the Chancellor and General Grevious were convincing baddies.
My 7 year olds sat through pretty much enthralled but rather disappointed that chief baddy Lord Vader didn't appear till right at the end. For young kids I would wager that it is the man in black they go to see. They had, understandably, conceptual trouble with the idea that this was the first story although it was the last film of the series. Anyone taking the kids to it might do well to get this stuff clear first otherwise you might get constant interruptions for explanations throughout the film.
Now you mention it Obi was a bit like that and the young Vader was a whimp really. His justification for turning to the Dark Side was about as strong as a Bush case for going to war. Having said that I thought it was great fun for a couple of hours, Yoda was a complete star and the Chancellor and General Grevious were convincing baddies.
My 7 year olds sat through pretty much enthralled but rather disappointed that chief baddy Lord Vader didn't appear till right at the end. For young kids I would wager that it is the man in black they go to see. They had, understandably, conceptual trouble with the idea that this was the first story although it was the last film of the series. Anyone taking the kids to it might do well to get this stuff clear first otherwise you might get constant interruptions for explanations throughout the film.
In reply to imprisoned climber:
Really quite OK, surprisingly so. Even my better half liked it (she expected to hate it, having never seen a Star Wars film unbelievably).
Incredibly bad dialogue and very wooden acting by everyone but Yoda and R2D2
Ewan McGregor is awful and, yes, who the f*ck came up with the term "younglings". Arghhhh!
And Annikin (aka Darth Vader) is probably the worst of them. Way too American for his own good and simply cannot act. I suppose the only thing you can't blame him for is the dialogue he's given.
The emperor to be (Palatin) is probably the best in terms of dialogue and acting.
Other than that, really quite enjoyable. Not as dark as I was given to believe but pretty action packed and it didn't seem like a long two and a half hours (or whatever it ran to). The plot is, of course, pretty predicatable (as it needs to leave them all ready for action in the original film) but there were some nice plot details.
Really quite OK, surprisingly so. Even my better half liked it (she expected to hate it, having never seen a Star Wars film unbelievably).
Incredibly bad dialogue and very wooden acting by everyone but Yoda and R2D2
Ewan McGregor is awful and, yes, who the f*ck came up with the term "younglings". Arghhhh!
And Annikin (aka Darth Vader) is probably the worst of them. Way too American for his own good and simply cannot act. I suppose the only thing you can't blame him for is the dialogue he's given.
The emperor to be (Palatin) is probably the best in terms of dialogue and acting.
Other than that, really quite enjoyable. Not as dark as I was given to believe but pretty action packed and it didn't seem like a long two and a half hours (or whatever it ran to). The plot is, of course, pretty predicatable (as it needs to leave them all ready for action in the original film) but there were some nice plot details.
In reply to imprisoned climber:
it was the cinematic equivalnt of going through on away goals: ot the job done, some moments of brilliance, but ultimately not all that satisfying.
As peopal have said it suffered from Lucas' inability to write dialogue. Much of it was quite wooden, especially Skywalker and palpatine. Not to mention the "Younglings" moment.
it also suffered from Lucas' complete inability to get the subtelties of politics. Palpatine was a pantomime baddie, never did he have the silkiness of Saruman or other people who weave webs. Even if you didn't know he was the bad guy from the off, you knew it the moment he came on screen.
In my opinion, and feel free to ignore this, Lucas tried to cram too much into this one, especially after not very much happened in the last one. Some of the issues that got swept over would have been great if they'd had a few more minutes spent on them.
However, for all that, it was still star Wars. it was rubbish, a different rubbish to the origninal three, but just as much fun.
Oh and Yoda finally manages to steal the show.
Andy
it was the cinematic equivalnt of going through on away goals: ot the job done, some moments of brilliance, but ultimately not all that satisfying.
As peopal have said it suffered from Lucas' inability to write dialogue. Much of it was quite wooden, especially Skywalker and palpatine. Not to mention the "Younglings" moment.
it also suffered from Lucas' complete inability to get the subtelties of politics. Palpatine was a pantomime baddie, never did he have the silkiness of Saruman or other people who weave webs. Even if you didn't know he was the bad guy from the off, you knew it the moment he came on screen.
In my opinion, and feel free to ignore this, Lucas tried to cram too much into this one, especially after not very much happened in the last one. Some of the issues that got swept over would have been great if they'd had a few more minutes spent on them.
However, for all that, it was still star Wars. it was rubbish, a different rubbish to the origninal three, but just as much fun.
Oh and Yoda finally manages to steal the show.
Andy
In reply to JonC: the Darth Vader "nnnnooooooooo" reminded me of Ned Flanders (or was it the vicar) in the Simpsons !!
and where the hell did Grevious come from, what was he ? his character needed building before they killed him !!
and where the hell did Grevious come from, what was he ? his character needed building before they killed him !!
In reply to tragically1969: it could do with a star wars 2.5 lots of story missed out
In reply to imprisoned climber: And another thing... Is it me, or is the Death Star shown at the end of way too "finished"?
At the beginning of Episode IV, there is some doubt about whether the station is fully operational, but there is a full skeleton of the Death Star visible at the end of III. I suspect the Death Star didn't take 19 years (as long as it takes Luke and Leia to grow up) to complete!
Of course, it could be the case that the Death Star you see getting started in Episode III is the one they outsourced. All those years later it was still basically a half-finished effort, way over budget and late as hell - but management decided to cut corners and go live with it anyway, against the protests of the properly skilled local Imperial Base Makers who know about this kind of thing. And look what happened, a poxy X-wing was enough to take it out in the end.
Blummin' Empire projects, it's always the same, eh? Capita have a lot to answer for.
A proper inconsistency, for me, reared its ugly head at the end... it was that Leia knew about her mother in Episode 6. If you actually look up the dialogue (as I have just done) it goes like this:
LUKE: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
LUKE: What do you remember?
LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.
LUKE: Tell me.
LEIA: She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad.
So, let's see. Very young. Check. Can't remember words or anything specific.
Check. However Obi-wan's dialogue is a bit more problematic:
OBI-WAN: When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant.
Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine... and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.
Where to begin? How about Anakin knowing very early on about the pregnancy?
DOH!
However, to look at this and see that as the overriding point of the trilogy is to miss the point: the one critical mistake that could've averted Anakin's fall and the empire's rise....
He didn't use a condom.
If Padme and Anakin had used proper birth control, Anakin would have lost his biggest motivation to go to the dark side.
So remember kids, for the sake of the galaxy, use proper contraception.
How's about that then, Pope dude? You want a thousand years of galactic peace and prosperity or not?
At the beginning of Episode IV, there is some doubt about whether the station is fully operational, but there is a full skeleton of the Death Star visible at the end of III. I suspect the Death Star didn't take 19 years (as long as it takes Luke and Leia to grow up) to complete!
Of course, it could be the case that the Death Star you see getting started in Episode III is the one they outsourced. All those years later it was still basically a half-finished effort, way over budget and late as hell - but management decided to cut corners and go live with it anyway, against the protests of the properly skilled local Imperial Base Makers who know about this kind of thing. And look what happened, a poxy X-wing was enough to take it out in the end.
Blummin' Empire projects, it's always the same, eh? Capita have a lot to answer for.
A proper inconsistency, for me, reared its ugly head at the end... it was that Leia knew about her mother in Episode 6. If you actually look up the dialogue (as I have just done) it goes like this:
LUKE: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
LUKE: What do you remember?
LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.
LUKE: Tell me.
LEIA: She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad.
So, let's see. Very young. Check. Can't remember words or anything specific.
Check. However Obi-wan's dialogue is a bit more problematic:
OBI-WAN: When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant.
Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine... and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.
Where to begin? How about Anakin knowing very early on about the pregnancy?
DOH!
However, to look at this and see that as the overriding point of the trilogy is to miss the point: the one critical mistake that could've averted Anakin's fall and the empire's rise....
He didn't use a condom.
If Padme and Anakin had used proper birth control, Anakin would have lost his biggest motivation to go to the dark side.
So remember kids, for the sake of the galaxy, use proper contraception.
How's about that then, Pope dude? You want a thousand years of galactic peace and prosperity or not?
In reply to Rick Alves: Thank you, Kevin Smith
Personally, I thought it was dire, but slightly less dire than Episodes I and II.
Personally, I thought it was dire, but slightly less dire than Episodes I and II.
In reply to Rick Alves:
That is exactly what I said to my g/f as we left the cinema.
Did you also notice the Peter Cushing lookalike on the bridge of the spaceship as you looked out at the Death Star under construction? Sorry, nerd moment there
lol !
I think they had a Jon Ditman moment because the last I saw of Vader he was legless...
> (In reply to imprisoned climber) And another thing... Is it me, or is the Death Star shown at the end of way too "finished"?
That is exactly what I said to my g/f as we left the cinema.
Did you also notice the Peter Cushing lookalike on the bridge of the spaceship as you looked out at the Death Star under construction? Sorry, nerd moment there
> So remember kids, for the sake of the galaxy, use proper contraception.
lol !
I think they had a Jon Ditman moment because the last I saw of Vader he was legless...
In reply to JonC:
I'm with you on that one. I think people looked at me when I chuckled at that moment. Even the gimps dressed as Jedi.
On the other hand Obi-Wan's comments are easy to explain: he lied. Let's face it, he has quite a track record.
Luke "you told me Darth Vader Killed my father"
Obi-Wan "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view"
Andy
> Did you also notice the Peter Cushing lookalike on the bridge of the spaceship as you looked out at the Death Star under construction? Sorry, nerd moment there
I'm with you on that one. I think people looked at me when I chuckled at that moment. Even the gimps dressed as Jedi.
On the other hand Obi-Wan's comments are easy to explain: he lied. Let's face it, he has quite a track record.
Luke "you told me Darth Vader Killed my father"
Obi-Wan "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view"
Andy
In reply to Horse:
> (In reply to Tiggs)
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and General Grevious were convincing baddies. and Darth Sidious (sid to his mates)somewhere up above...are these names for real?!?
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In reply to imprisoned climber:
It did occur to me that there is alot of arm chopping off in the Start wars films, seem to be a bit of a catching disease
It did occur to me that there is alot of arm chopping off in the Start wars films, seem to be a bit of a catching disease
In reply to imprisoned climber:
See `Chronicles of Riddick` instead, better still `The Bourne Identity`, Star Wars is for kids and nerds.
See `Chronicles of Riddick` instead, better still `The Bourne Identity`, Star Wars is for kids and nerds.
In reply to glyn28:
He had his rockets in episode 2.
I thought it was a way cool film. Definatley tied it all together. Enjoyed all the little paradies of the originals.
I thought it was a film with many levels and very clever. Even though Lord Vader's scream of "noooo" as he rose from the table was extremely cheesy, I though the scene was pretty clever as it was very remenicent of Shelly's Frankenstein. Palpatine being Dr Frankenstein and having created the monster of Vader, only to be eventually destroyed by him in ep vi.
One thing I don't quite follow though is how in ep 4, Obi Wan doesn't seem to have a clue who R2D2 is - "..I don't remember ever owning a driod...". However they flew together for years, maybe it was senility setting in?
Maybe I need to get out more? (but only if I can take my light saber)
MTFBWY.
He had his rockets in episode 2.
I thought it was a way cool film. Definatley tied it all together. Enjoyed all the little paradies of the originals.
I thought it was a film with many levels and very clever. Even though Lord Vader's scream of "noooo" as he rose from the table was extremely cheesy, I though the scene was pretty clever as it was very remenicent of Shelly's Frankenstein. Palpatine being Dr Frankenstein and having created the monster of Vader, only to be eventually destroyed by him in ep vi.
One thing I don't quite follow though is how in ep 4, Obi Wan doesn't seem to have a clue who R2D2 is - "..I don't remember ever owning a driod...". However they flew together for years, maybe it was senility setting in?
Maybe I need to get out more? (but only if I can take my light saber)
MTFBWY.
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