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 Chopper 09:55 Sun

Two weeks ago I had an electrician in to do a minor job which I didn't have time to do myself. It was easily DIYable. Before he came I asked if he charge for call outs and he said yes - £30.

He came along and did the work quite quickly and said it was £30 +VAT. I asked how he wanted paying and he said he would prefer cash. I said that I didn't have enough cash on me; could he accept a BACS payment. He seemed happy with that and I gave him my email address so that he could send me his bank details. I followed up with a text message to him confirming my email.

I've still not had anything giving me his bank details. In the circumstances would anyone else bother hastening him again?

Maybe I'm just a bit worried that he might come banging on the door saying that he'd sent me an email(which obviously hasn't arrived) asking where his money is.

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 AdrianC 09:57 Sun
In reply to Chopper:

Could it be in your spam box?

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 Chopper 09:59 Sun
In reply to AdrianC:

> Could it be in your spam box?


No, checked that

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 john arran 10:05 Sun
In reply to Chopper:

What would be the problem with a follow-up text message to check that his email hasn't gone astray?

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 Chopper 10:06 Sun
In reply to john arran:

> What would be the problem with a follow-up text message to check that his email hasn't gone astray?


Fair point but how many "follow ups"?

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In reply to Chopper:

Are you hoping to get away with not paying him, or are you worried about hassling him for the invoice?

Hopefully the latter and I would wait two more weeks and then contact him.

My plumber can take 7-9 weeks to issue invoices. Obviously as I already know this, I don’t chase unless it gets to 12 weeks. Admittedly the difference here is that it’s “snail mail” hard copy invoice. Same for my office cleaner. 

If it were a large amount and I felt uneasy about it burning a hole in my pocket then I might be more inclined to chase. 

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 Chopper 10:12 Sun
In reply to Blue Straggler:

> Are you hoping to get away with not paying him, or are you worried about hassling him for the invoice?

No/yes

(I will chase in about two weeks.}

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In reply to Chopper:

Sounds reasonable. I don’t think you have cause to worry about him “knocking on your door” with menace 😀 But best keep £36 cash handy just in case 😀

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 marsbar 10:35 Sun
In reply to Chopper:

In my experience some of the people with the great skills at electrics plumbing etc are not the people with the best skills at organising.  

I wouldn't over think it. 

If you know where he lives and it's not inconvenient shove an envelope with the cash through his door with your address on it.  

If not then a reminder text message is fine.

I can't see any sparky bothering you over a small bill you've agreed to pay.  

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 Kevster 10:39 Sun
In reply to Chopper:

Tradesmen are not always the finest when it comes to back office/ paperwork. 
I know tradespeople who simply dont invoice all their customers because they dont have effective systems in place that they follow.

If you want the tax man to get their £6 Vat, I'd suggest bank transfer however. 

Supporting your local tradesman and supporting the tax system are 2 different strands to the discussion. I'd feel a little more uneasy about not paying the tradesman tbh - thats his roof over his head, food on the table etc.

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In reply to Kevster:

I don't see any mention of anyone trying to avoid VAT in this case. At least not until you brought it up. 

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In reply to Chopper:

Why don’t you just phone and ask ? 

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In reply to Blue Straggler:

> I don't see any mention of anyone trying to avoid VAT in this case. At least not until you brought it up. 

There is generally only one reason to ask for cash. 

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In reply to Kevster:

> If you want the tax man to get their £6 Vat, I'd suggest bank transfer however. 

Why the f*ck would any of us give a flying shit about £6 of VAT when this so called govt is dishing out 100s of millions, if not billions, of £s to their cronies?

I know I don't.

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In reply to Dax H:

> There is generally only one reason to ask for cash. 

There IS that, but the order of the words in the OP is this
"said it was £30 +VAT. I asked how he wanted paying and he said he would prefer cash"

Maybe I leapt to a conclusion. Maybe others leapt to the opposite conclusion. Either way, nobody explicitly mentioned VAT avoidance until Kevster

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In reply to Blue Straggler:

You are correct, maybe I just see the worse in people buy my feeling it it was probably a labour only job, no parts means zero audit trail so he will probably trouser the extra £6.

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 Blunderbuss 15:12 Sun
In reply to Chopper:

I had a bloke do a gas safety check in July on a property I own and he still hasn't billed me. I sent him two messages to tell him I had received no invoice and on both occasions he said he would send one...can't be arsed chasing it up again....i do wonder why he hasn't bothered to bill me though. 

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In reply to Wild Cyclist:

> Why the f*ck would any of us give a flying shit about £6 of VAT when this so called govt is dishing out100s of millions, if not billions, of £s to their cronies?

> I know I don't.

They may have given hundreds of millions to their mates but they also spend billions on things like schools, NHS, parks, roads etc. £844 billion in 2019.

You have me convinced though, I'm going to stop paying my taxes. 

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In reply to Chopper:

As marsbar and kevester said, good trades people are often really busy. When we finish a day we don't want to spend the evening stuck in the office doing paper work. So invoicing often gets left till we get a quiet day or a time when we can't work, like when the van's in for a service or really bad weather days. I'm sure you'll get one in due course. 

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 Jmacquarrie 16:17 Sun
In reply to Chopper:

I often don't get round to invoicing small amounts until the end of the month, I wouldn't sweat it.

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 jimtitt 16:31 Sun
In reply to Jmacquarrie:

Jeez you're organised, end of the quarter is good, end of the year maybe a bit slow.

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 Jmacquarrie 16:34 Sun
In reply to jimtitt:

Well, after posting that I've realised I need to invoice for some work done in July so not that organised!

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In reply to Jmacquarrie:

There are a lot of programs out there that will automatically turn your quote in to an invoice when your customer signs off the job on your phone. Might be worth looking at. 

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 Chopper 18:06 Sun

Thanks all. I'll send him another text or phone him in a couple of weeks. I shall then consider the ball well and truly in his court.

Just that I didn't want any misunderstanding because he seemed a decent chap, he was punctual and did the job quickly and with no fuss. In short a chap I would be happy to use again.

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