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Volvo can build an estate car which takes 5 people from 0 - 60 in about 7 seconds.
Loads of car makers make impressive machines which you can stick loads of stuff in and go pretty damn fast in without making a huge racket and pissing people off.
Why is it that sat belaying near the top of The Buachaille(sp) you can hear your partner perfectly well until some faceless tosser on a motorbike 3 miles away feels the need to rev shit out of his pathetic bike in order to overtake a caravan doing 40 along a straight piece of road a mile long. How difficult can it be? A bike only weighs a few hundred kilos. Surely they can sacrifice a bit of power to stop the bikes sounding so bloody awful. Or could the riders try and develop the necessary skill to ride the damn things properly.
Loads of car makers make impressive machines which you can stick loads of stuff in and go pretty damn fast in without making a huge racket and pissing people off.
Why is it that sat belaying near the top of The Buachaille(sp) you can hear your partner perfectly well until some faceless tosser on a motorbike 3 miles away feels the need to rev shit out of his pathetic bike in order to overtake a caravan doing 40 along a straight piece of road a mile long. How difficult can it be? A bike only weighs a few hundred kilos. Surely they can sacrifice a bit of power to stop the bikes sounding so bloody awful. Or could the riders try and develop the necessary skill to ride the damn things properly.
In reply to Bob:
These are usually due to people putting "aftermarket" cans on their bikes. Some are illegal as they break noise regs. My lil beauty purs like a cat however....so it ain't me you can hear!
Basically most modern bikes aren't that loud until someone makes them so.
These are usually due to people putting "aftermarket" cans on their bikes. Some are illegal as they break noise regs. My lil beauty purs like a cat however....so it ain't me you can hear!
Basically most modern bikes aren't that loud until someone makes them so.
In reply to Bob:
I'm a Biker and I must admit I was getting a bit p155ed off at the noise of Bikes as I was at the top of Tryfan.
I'm a Biker and I must admit I was getting a bit p155ed off at the noise of Bikes as I was at the top of Tryfan.
In reply to Bob: sounds like jealousy!!whats wrong?? were u one of those sad fools that always wanted to have a motorbike,and when it finally came to your CBT on your 16th birthday,.......you failed!!!!! as a counciler i feel that its because of this tragic misfortune why u seem to b in denial!!!! what sort of TOSSER likes volvos anyway!?!
In reply to biker boy: Perhaps you could translate that into English or some other widely spoken language.
In reply to Bob:
Yes, just like people in CARS with dodgy exhausts, fighter jets, noisy hillwalkers with music playing devices (can't think of the word), people with mobile phones, sheep, poor bugger lorry drivers having to get up a 1:2 hill fully loaded.....jesus......are you going to have a go at them too?
Jo' not wishing to have an arguement but please chill out' Macleod
Yes, just like people in CARS with dodgy exhausts, fighter jets, noisy hillwalkers with music playing devices (can't think of the word), people with mobile phones, sheep, poor bugger lorry drivers having to get up a 1:2 hill fully loaded.....jesus......are you going to have a go at them too?
Jo' not wishing to have an arguement but please chill out' Macleod
In reply to biker boy:
"what sort of TOSSER likes volvos anyway!?!"
Presumably the sort of tosser who, after you drive headfirst into his Volvo, will step unharmed out of his uncrumpled car to survey the shattered remains of you and your bike scattered over the road.
"what sort of TOSSER likes volvos anyway!?!"
Presumably the sort of tosser who, after you drive headfirst into his Volvo, will step unharmed out of his uncrumpled car to survey the shattered remains of you and your bike scattered over the road.
In reply to Naomi:
no i think its the other way round, I generally avoid driving straight into the front of cars!
no i think its the other way round, I generally avoid driving straight into the front of cars!
In reply to Bob:
When the tossers in (mainly) Volvos stop pulling out on us bikers and killing us with the excuse of "Sorry Mate, didn't see you", I'll consider turning the (legal) loud pipe on my bikes down a bit. Until then, anything I can do to make sure they're aware of me being there is fine by me.
When the tossers in (mainly) Volvos stop pulling out on us bikers and killing us with the excuse of "Sorry Mate, didn't see you", I'll consider turning the (legal) loud pipe on my bikes down a bit. Until then, anything I can do to make sure they're aware of me being there is fine by me.
In reply to JO:
"CARS with dodgy exhausts, fighter jets, noisy hillwalkers with music playing devices (can't think of the word), people with mobile phones, sheep, poor bugger lorry drivers having to get up a 1:2 hill fully loaded.....jesus......are you going to have a go at them too? "
Nope not at all, didn't hear them at all on Sunday. I did however hear the bikes pretty much all day, thats the difference.
"CARS with dodgy exhausts, fighter jets, noisy hillwalkers with music playing devices (can't think of the word), people with mobile phones, sheep, poor bugger lorry drivers having to get up a 1:2 hill fully loaded.....jesus......are you going to have a go at them too? "
Nope not at all, didn't hear them at all on Sunday. I did however hear the bikes pretty much all day, thats the difference.
In reply to Naomi:
Please don't misinterpret this as me trying to be controversial, 'cos I am not.
There is nothing at all wrong with Volvos!
The thing is, bikers and Volvo DRIVERS just don't get on. I think it is an invincibility thing - as in Volvo drivers think they are, so stuff everyone else.
Oh, and 'I didn't see you' after pulling out of a very open, clear T-junction forcing the most impressive emergency stop ever just DOES NOT CUT IT!!!!
My bike instructor advised us all to "assume EVERY other person on the road is a moron" - it's about the only way to stay undamaged. (And yes, I drive a car as well!)
And while we are at it, agricultural vehicles which drop sh** and lord knows what else all over the road need sorting out too.
And my bike is noisy, without aftermarket cans - that's not my fault either - it's how the bike was made. AND I LOVE IT!
Oh dear - that was a rant and a half. Sorry.
Please don't misinterpret this as me trying to be controversial, 'cos I am not.
There is nothing at all wrong with Volvos!
The thing is, bikers and Volvo DRIVERS just don't get on. I think it is an invincibility thing - as in Volvo drivers think they are, so stuff everyone else.
Oh, and 'I didn't see you' after pulling out of a very open, clear T-junction forcing the most impressive emergency stop ever just DOES NOT CUT IT!!!!
My bike instructor advised us all to "assume EVERY other person on the road is a moron" - it's about the only way to stay undamaged. (And yes, I drive a car as well!)
And while we are at it, agricultural vehicles which drop sh** and lord knows what else all over the road need sorting out too.
And my bike is noisy, without aftermarket cans - that's not my fault either - it's how the bike was made. AND I LOVE IT!
Oh dear - that was a rant and a half. Sorry.
In reply to JO: Yeah, but he sounds the type of tosser who takes corners by using both sides of the road and will, eventually, end up going straight into or under a car.
I'm afraid the excuse "car drivers always say they didn't see you" doesn't really cut it - if someone is waiting to pull out of a junction, you should (a) be expecting the worst case scenario and (b) be travelling at a speed where you can avoid it. Bikers seem quite happy to blame motorists for pulling out on them, but neglect the fact that they were doing 90 and/or overtaking a lorry when the accident/near accident happened.
I've heard too many stories about bikers haring round back roads and nearly wiping themselves out when they encounter a tractor turning in the road to have much sympathy for their cause.
I'm afraid the excuse "car drivers always say they didn't see you" doesn't really cut it - if someone is waiting to pull out of a junction, you should (a) be expecting the worst case scenario and (b) be travelling at a speed where you can avoid it. Bikers seem quite happy to blame motorists for pulling out on them, but neglect the fact that they were doing 90 and/or overtaking a lorry when the accident/near accident happened.
I've heard too many stories about bikers haring round back roads and nearly wiping themselves out when they encounter a tractor turning in the road to have much sympathy for their cause.
In reply to Bob:
so with that statement then ("I did however hear the bikes pretty much all day" implying all the bikes made an 'unnacceptable' noise) you are calling all bikers (inc me BTW) tossers? we all allegedly "rev shit out of his (our)pathetic bike(s)in order to overtake a caravan doing 40 along a straight piece of road a mile long"....
so with that statement then ("I did however hear the bikes pretty much all day" implying all the bikes made an 'unnacceptable' noise) you are calling all bikers (inc me BTW) tossers? we all allegedly "rev shit out of his (our)pathetic bike(s)in order to overtake a caravan doing 40 along a straight piece of road a mile long"....
In reply to Bob:
you're a brave man, i wouldn't say my mate are "faceless tossers".
Oh well, each to their own. maybe you could try shouting to your belayer?
you're a brave man, i wouldn't say my mate are "faceless tossers".
Oh well, each to their own. maybe you could try shouting to your belayer?
In reply to Naomi:
A local biker was wiped out (dead) 2 weeks ago near here because he piled into the front of a car driven by someone who was talking someone in the back seat. The car driver was on the wrong side of the road as he rounded the corner..he had no chance. I have lost 11 mates over the years due to bike accidents....8 of those died because of the other (car) drivers fault. Kinda speaks for itself!
A local biker was wiped out (dead) 2 weeks ago near here because he piled into the front of a car driven by someone who was talking someone in the back seat. The car driver was on the wrong side of the road as he rounded the corner..he had no chance. I have lost 11 mates over the years due to bike accidents....8 of those died because of the other (car) drivers fault. Kinda speaks for itself!
In reply to Bob: Can I just add, I don't have anything against Bikers per se (before Jo smacks me!), just the ones that think they own the road and accuse everyone else of being morons, rather than taking responsibility for their own safety.
In reply to Naomi:
I get your point, but disagree - the particular incident I referred to happened on a straight road, in a residential area, during the day (not many parked cars) with a 40mph speed limit, although I doubt I was even going that fast. Old chap in old volvo estate pulled out in front of me - THEN saw me and stopped across the entire carriageway. I wasn't speeding, and I wasn't driving like a tosser either.
Just like all volvo drivers are not all doddering old gits, not ALL bikers drive like nutters.
I have known too many bikers who have lost/mashed limbs or died and I know they weren't all at fault.
I get your point, but disagree - the particular incident I referred to happened on a straight road, in a residential area, during the day (not many parked cars) with a 40mph speed limit, although I doubt I was even going that fast. Old chap in old volvo estate pulled out in front of me - THEN saw me and stopped across the entire carriageway. I wasn't speeding, and I wasn't driving like a tosser either.
Just like all volvo drivers are not all doddering old gits, not ALL bikers drive like nutters.
I have known too many bikers who have lost/mashed limbs or died and I know they weren't all at fault.
In reply to Naomi:
Nim, I am not pissed off with ya, just pissed off with some attitudes towards bikers. Yes, like most other forms of transport, there are dodgy drivers/bikers but I would say (In my experince) most of them/us are quite aware that we would come off considerably worse in an accident therefore drive accordingly.
Nim, I am not pissed off with ya, just pissed off with some attitudes towards bikers. Yes, like most other forms of transport, there are dodgy drivers/bikers but I would say (In my experince) most of them/us are quite aware that we would come off considerably worse in an accident therefore drive accordingly.
In reply to Naomi: I cycle to work which is not quite the same thing as biking but I too notice that car drivers don't tend to 'see' cyclist or bikers. My theory is that bikes are still fairly rare and most peoples brain filter out anything that is not car, lorry or bus shaped and so they 'miss' most bikers/cyclists. That and large (compared to a bike) 1+ tonne vechicles (ie cars etc) they to be bigger and brighter colours might conribute as well as most cyclist seem to have an unhealthy love of dark colours.
Although allot of cyclist/biklers seem to have a death wish and don't wear helmat or use lights etc. Wearing black leathers all over and they tearing down a road at 90 without lights is just asking to be removed from the gene pool if you ask me...
Any I'll stop ranting now...
Although allot of cyclist/biklers seem to have a death wish and don't wear helmat or use lights etc. Wearing black leathers all over and they tearing down a road at 90 without lights is just asking to be removed from the gene pool if you ask me...
Any I'll stop ranting now...
In reply to Daniel, Jo et al: So we all agree that there are stupid bikers, cyclists and drivers? Good. That's ok then.
In the same way you don't want to see all bikers branded as idiots, I don't like to see all Volvo drivers classed as clowns. Just because the car is "invincible" (they aren't by the way) doesn't mean the driver assumes he has the same traits. I imagine a lot of Volvo drivers choose their car on the basis that our roads are full of numpties and it's better to have the safest car around in case some other cretin hits you.
Rant over!
In the same way you don't want to see all bikers branded as idiots, I don't like to see all Volvo drivers classed as clowns. Just because the car is "invincible" (they aren't by the way) doesn't mean the driver assumes he has the same traits. I imagine a lot of Volvo drivers choose their car on the basis that our roads are full of numpties and it's better to have the safest car around in case some other cretin hits you.
Rant over!
In reply to Naomi:
I agree, and I DID concede that not ALL Volvo drivers were scary. I just get pretty defensive when all bikers are tarred with the same brush!
My rant's over too.
I agree, and I DID concede that not ALL Volvo drivers were scary. I just get pretty defensive when all bikers are tarred with the same brush!
My rant's over too.
In reply to Daniel:
as someone who occasionally has to take horses out on the road, I find bikers are THE most observant and considerate road users bar none. I think a lot of drivers 'miss' horses as well as bikers/cyclists, but bikers always slow right down and pass carefully. A lot more alert than they might appear.
as someone who occasionally has to take horses out on the road, I find bikers are THE most observant and considerate road users bar none. I think a lot of drivers 'miss' horses as well as bikers/cyclists, but bikers always slow right down and pass carefully. A lot more alert than they might appear.
In reply to jenny: Yip bikers, cyclest and horse riders tend to be the most observant and considerate people on the road as we are the ones who tend to die or get crippled if we get in an accident where as the folks in cars tend to be able to walk away...
In reply to TN:
I made a pact with my best mate when we were 12 that if either of us ever bought a Volvo, we should be involuntarily euthanased (is that an actual word?).
Thing is, Volve drivers feel so secure in their tanks it gives 'em an excuse not to pay attention to other road users. Not all of course...but there is a trend. It is noticeable.
I made a pact with my best mate when we were 12 that if either of us ever bought a Volvo, we should be involuntarily euthanased (is that an actual word?).
Thing is, Volve drivers feel so secure in their tanks it gives 'em an excuse not to pay attention to other road users. Not all of course...but there is a trend. It is noticeable.
In reply to SammyB:
(whispers) yes, I know.
On the plus side - Naz almost 'got' me and my other half when we were riding round Hunters Bar roundabout, and the look on his face as he screeched to a halt and realised what he almost did was excellent!!!!
(whispers) yes, I know.
On the plus side - Naz almost 'got' me and my other half when we were riding round Hunters Bar roundabout, and the look on his face as he screeched to a halt and realised what he almost did was excellent!!!!
In reply to SammyB:
"Thing is, Volve drivers feel so secure in their tanks it gives 'em an excuse not to pay attention to other road users. Not all of course...but there is a trend. It is noticeable"
Like 'townie' 4x4 drivers. The ones that never actually need 4x4 capability........
but i'm not starting.......
"Thing is, Volve drivers feel so secure in their tanks it gives 'em an excuse not to pay attention to other road users. Not all of course...but there is a trend. It is noticeable"
Like 'townie' 4x4 drivers. The ones that never actually need 4x4 capability........
but i'm not starting.......
In reply to Bob: Well im sorry but i don't think that bikerboy talks your langauge-of complete and utter BOLLOCKS
In reply to SammyB: I drive a Volvo, I have friends who drive motor bikes. Trouble is I cant be arsed to make sweeping generalisations about how bad anyone else is at anything.
Amen.
Amen.
In reply to Bob: Obviously u r a reject. 1.u talk about volvos. 2.U ain't got a clue about bikes. have u ever heard of car drivers that piss people off. it usually is people in volvos. and they are all fat tossers that bribed their driving instructerwith anal sex.so shut your face
In reply to A Respected Biker:
I know I'm supposed to disapprove when we get this sort of thing, but that made me laugh out loud.
G
I know I'm supposed to disapprove when we get this sort of thing, but that made me laugh out loud.
G
In reply to thread: My 25+ years of experience as a cyclist in A-road traffic have given me the following insights:
- trust no-one; they're all out to get you
- watch out for BMW drivers; they don't give a toss about you
(BMW: bloody mindless w**ker)
- watch out for Volvo drivers; they don't know any better
(Volvo SIPS side-impact protection sytem
aka Stupid Idiot Protection System, designed to protect Volvo drivers when they pull out at T-junctions; how else to you get side-swiped?)
- there are people out there who _really_ don't care if they kill you.
Hey, lots of gross generalisations, but they help me survive.
- trust no-one; they're all out to get you
- watch out for BMW drivers; they don't give a toss about you
(BMW: bloody mindless w**ker)
- watch out for Volvo drivers; they don't know any better
(Volvo SIPS side-impact protection sytem
aka Stupid Idiot Protection System, designed to protect Volvo drivers when they pull out at T-junctions; how else to you get side-swiped?)
- there are people out there who _really_ don't care if they kill you.
Hey, lots of gross generalisations, but they help me survive.
In reply to Naomi: I really must protest about the most illconsidered and inflamatory language in this post.. I recognise for some time there has been undue friction bewteen Volvo drivers and motorcylcists.
To this end Volvo have been developing a motorcyle that should go on sale in the spring of 2002.
This should encapusalate all the benefits of a motorcyle with the traditional Volvo attributes of safety and reliability and perhaps go some wall to repairing relations between two of the most important groups of road users.
To this end Volvo have been developing a motorcyle that should go on sale in the spring of 2002.
This should encapusalate all the benefits of a motorcyle with the traditional Volvo attributes of safety and reliability and perhaps go some wall to repairing relations between two of the most important groups of road users.
In reply to TN: If you spend many weekends driving up and down the A65 you'd get the impression that all bikers are tossers - that's because at weekends this road is jammed up with morons in 'No Fear' t-shirts on big bikes riding too fast. I've no doubt they're a pretty small minority of the total biker poulation, but the majority of bikes on a summer weekend on the A65 ride too quickly without consideration for the road conditions or other road users.
I guess it's the explosion in the number of reborn bikers, who may well drive a company Volvo during the week but think that wearing leather clothes and riding a bike suddenly makes them all windswept and exotic. Well let me tell you lads - the fat dweebs standing around Skipton wearing mirror shades and eating pies every Sunday afternoon just look sad.
And as one of my best mates nearly had to give up climbing due to an accident he had when chasing some macho arsehole on a bike (he was riding a police bike at the time), added to the fact my brothers kids had to witness one of them dying all over the front of their car (which was stationary in a 30mph limit at the time a motorbike came round the corner and lost it at an estimated 80mph, btw) I find it hard to see what's particularly big or clever about it. These people might be the minority of bikers - but round our way at weekends they're certainly the vast majority of morons on the road.
I guess it's the explosion in the number of reborn bikers, who may well drive a company Volvo during the week but think that wearing leather clothes and riding a bike suddenly makes them all windswept and exotic. Well let me tell you lads - the fat dweebs standing around Skipton wearing mirror shades and eating pies every Sunday afternoon just look sad.
And as one of my best mates nearly had to give up climbing due to an accident he had when chasing some macho arsehole on a bike (he was riding a police bike at the time), added to the fact my brothers kids had to witness one of them dying all over the front of their car (which was stationary in a 30mph limit at the time a motorbike came round the corner and lost it at an estimated 80mph, btw) I find it hard to see what's particularly big or clever about it. These people might be the minority of bikers - but round our way at weekends they're certainly the vast majority of morons on the road.
In reply to all those slagging volvo drivers.
Well I drive a 440xi and my other vehicle is a Ducati Darma.
Where does that leave me in the argument???????????????
Well I drive a 440xi and my other vehicle is a Ducati Darma.
Where does that leave me in the argument???????????????
In reply to Kev: Kev - sorry mate - but reading this thread you acn only be a double tosser!
Actually I'm v jealous. humph.
Actually I'm v jealous. humph.
In reply to andy: "road is jammed up with morons in 'No Fear' t-shirts on big bikes riding too fast. I've no doubt they're a pretty small minority of the total biker poulation, "
What do you think God made volvo drivers for? Removing said bikers from the gene pool!
What do you think God made volvo drivers for? Removing said bikers from the gene pool!
In reply to Griz:
I agree. ALL motorcycles should have those ice-cream van tune-things fitted. You know it makes sense. In fact, I reckon all motorcyclists should be forced to ride Raleigh Choppers to teach them some humility.
Nuff.
See ya,
al
> anything I can do to make sure they're aware of me being there is fine by me.
I agree. ALL motorcycles should have those ice-cream van tune-things fitted. You know it makes sense. In fact, I reckon all motorcyclists should be forced to ride Raleigh Choppers to teach them some humility.
Nuff.
See ya,
al
In reply to andy:
Unfortunately winding roads attract bikers and winding roads tend to be the main roads through hilly areas. Bikers caning through their favourite bends can piss you off whether you're climbing on Tryfan, the Buchaille, Tremadog (ok that's a straight), Gardoms etc. Not to mention how bloody dangerous it is trying to cross a road where cars need to be slow for the bends but bikers can carve through at way over the speed limit.
The A470 through the Brecon Beacons is extremely bad for this with a couple of major footpaths needing to cross what appears to be a favourite run for the pie-eating "fat dweebs" with a lot of blind corners.
I know that not all folk with bikes do this on a Sunday (the ones I know use them to get to the crag) but the ones who do are antisocial and downright dangerous.
Unfortunately winding roads attract bikers and winding roads tend to be the main roads through hilly areas. Bikers caning through their favourite bends can piss you off whether you're climbing on Tryfan, the Buchaille, Tremadog (ok that's a straight), Gardoms etc. Not to mention how bloody dangerous it is trying to cross a road where cars need to be slow for the bends but bikers can carve through at way over the speed limit.
The A470 through the Brecon Beacons is extremely bad for this with a couple of major footpaths needing to cross what appears to be a favourite run for the pie-eating "fat dweebs" with a lot of blind corners.
I know that not all folk with bikes do this on a Sunday (the ones I know use them to get to the crag) but the ones who do are antisocial and downright dangerous.
In reply to Al Downie:
Well, at least you're the first person on this thread (I think) to use the correct term for most of these people that you're slagging off. Motorcyclists. Or bike riders. NOT Bikers. I get really really p***ed off when born again race suit clad race rep riders get put in the same bracket as Bikers - they're not the same thing and don't have the same behaviour or outlook. I think the people that the originator of this thread was getting annoyed at was modern race rep riders/motorcyclists, give they're the majority of the ones zooming around everywhere (often in not too safe a state either). Bikers are usually asleep, in the garage or camped on some wet muddy freezing field soemwhere.
Rather like saying that mountaineers encompasses boulderers and crag climbers. Same kind of thing but very different. Please watch your terminology.
Sorry - just decided I had to stick my twopennyworth in in defence of the real Biker (a fast disappearing breed, and not just because of Volvo drivers - or BMW drivers, Vauxhall drivers, white transit drivers - that's my accident list to date anyway... won't bother with the near misses - too many to count.)
Well, at least you're the first person on this thread (I think) to use the correct term for most of these people that you're slagging off. Motorcyclists. Or bike riders. NOT Bikers. I get really really p***ed off when born again race suit clad race rep riders get put in the same bracket as Bikers - they're not the same thing and don't have the same behaviour or outlook. I think the people that the originator of this thread was getting annoyed at was modern race rep riders/motorcyclists, give they're the majority of the ones zooming around everywhere (often in not too safe a state either). Bikers are usually asleep, in the garage or camped on some wet muddy freezing field soemwhere.
Rather like saying that mountaineers encompasses boulderers and crag climbers. Same kind of thing but very different. Please watch your terminology.
Sorry - just decided I had to stick my twopennyworth in in defence of the real Biker (a fast disappearing breed, and not just because of Volvo drivers - or BMW drivers, Vauxhall drivers, white transit drivers - that's my accident list to date anyway... won't bother with the near misses - too many to count.)
This thread is such a load of bollocks
lets ban volvo's and bikes and let everyone walk
anyone for a pie ??
lets ban volvo's and bikes and let everyone walk
anyone for a pie ??
In reply to Bob:
What a load of crap!
Firstly 0 - 60 in 7 seconds is hardly impressively fast, is it? - most modern bikes will do it less than half that time. Don't try to compare some shitey Volvo estate with a fast bike. Any car that has close to bike performance usually makes a similar kind of racket - when was the last time you heard a Ferrari with silent pipes?
Secondly, if you're talking about bikers making a racket in built up areas where people are trying to sleep, etc, then fair enough, but to whinge about it when they're out in the country, on open roads, is pretty pathetic. I'm sure it didn't really ruin your day that badly, did it?
I've got a full race pipe on my bike because:
- It gives more power
- It's lighter than the standard one
- It sounds nice
- It looks nice
- It's fu**ing loud, so that car drivers can hear you coming up behind them.
What a load of crap!
Firstly 0 - 60 in 7 seconds is hardly impressively fast, is it? - most modern bikes will do it less than half that time. Don't try to compare some shitey Volvo estate with a fast bike. Any car that has close to bike performance usually makes a similar kind of racket - when was the last time you heard a Ferrari with silent pipes?
Secondly, if you're talking about bikers making a racket in built up areas where people are trying to sleep, etc, then fair enough, but to whinge about it when they're out in the country, on open roads, is pretty pathetic. I'm sure it didn't really ruin your day that badly, did it?
I've got a full race pipe on my bike because:
- It gives more power
- It's lighter than the standard one
- It sounds nice
- It looks nice
- It's fu**ing loud, so that car drivers can hear you coming up behind them.
In reply to Kev: Kev said "Well I drive a 440xi and my other vehicle is a Ducati Darma."
I noticed you said you didn't ride the Duke - is that cos it's in the garage needing remedial work ( we need smilies!)
Anyway, I do think it's rich for climbers, themselves marginalised adrenaline junkies, to be slagging off bikes because "they're noisy"!
Despite the fact that lots of Power Rangers in particular (ie garish leathers, race replica bike) tend to pretend they're Foggy at 130mph down the A5, and some will overcook it, and some of those will die doing it, more's the pity, it's one of the most invigorating things you can do!
Fair enough, some bikers are downright dangerous (mostly to themselves) - but how does that compare to an E8 death route, or soloing K2?
I noticed you said you didn't ride the Duke - is that cos it's in the garage needing remedial work ( we need smilies!)
Anyway, I do think it's rich for climbers, themselves marginalised adrenaline junkies, to be slagging off bikes because "they're noisy"!
Despite the fact that lots of Power Rangers in particular (ie garish leathers, race replica bike) tend to pretend they're Foggy at 130mph down the A5, and some will overcook it, and some of those will die doing it, more's the pity, it's one of the most invigorating things you can do!
Fair enough, some bikers are downright dangerous (mostly to themselves) - but how does that compare to an E8 death route, or soloing K2?
In reply to biglad:
DOH!!! Rumbled! The bike belongs to a mate of mine and I've been out on it only a few times. Although he still seems to like me even if I drive a Volvo.
Personally, I find it all a bit sad. It isn't the vehicle you drive / ride, it's the idiotic and moronic use or lack of control over either it or yourself that causes the problems. Bike or car? I've looked after too many to count riders with shattered limbs or worse, mainly through the stupidity of car drivers.
As to being a Tw@ for driving a Volvo, it's a bit like saying someone is a bit of a hoon for wearing orange jackets etc.
DOH!!! Rumbled! The bike belongs to a mate of mine and I've been out on it only a few times. Although he still seems to like me even if I drive a Volvo.
Personally, I find it all a bit sad. It isn't the vehicle you drive / ride, it's the idiotic and moronic use or lack of control over either it or yourself that causes the problems. Bike or car? I've looked after too many to count riders with shattered limbs or worse, mainly through the stupidity of car drivers.
As to being a Tw@ for driving a Volvo, it's a bit like saying someone is a bit of a hoon for wearing orange jackets etc.
In reply to fat dweeb:
"This thread is a load of bollocks" - probably, but it is one which we can easily relate to... my brother-in-law calls bikers "organ doners", so they do contribute positively to society in some ways.
I find the biker argument "motorist should be more aware" fairly unbelievable, how little do they value their own lives and BTW I never hear motorcyclists exhaust pipes (or police sirens for that matter) because I always drive around in my MPV (with SIPS) with techno music blaring... need to psych up for the routes/ or the return trip to my zoo!
"This thread is a load of bollocks" - probably, but it is one which we can easily relate to... my brother-in-law calls bikers "organ doners", so they do contribute positively to society in some ways.
I find the biker argument "motorist should be more aware" fairly unbelievable, how little do they value their own lives and BTW I never hear motorcyclists exhaust pipes (or police sirens for that matter) because I always drive around in my MPV (with SIPS) with techno music blaring... need to psych up for the routes/ or the return trip to my zoo!
In reply to fat dweeb: But sticking gerbils up your arse makes you Richard Gere.
We just need someone to invent a Personal Inflation Protection Device that blows up 360 degrees in all directions on any impact, not only will this protect Motorcyclists and Bikers, we can wear it when climbing and not bother with all this rope and pro faff! Either that or remove all air bags, and stick large metal spikes on the steering wheels of all cars!
In reply to Bob:
bob - hi bob - yuck fou bob!
I am that faceless tosser! I admit it! Its me.... there you go, I said it.
now shut up and listen - if you have NEVER, EVER, broken the speed limit, overtaken where you shouldnt, farted in a lift, driven with a blowing exhaust, voted labour, then fine - I will shut the bike up.
However as you sound like a speeding, flatulant, tight fisted tony-crony you can kcus ym kcoc!!!
bob - hi bob - yuck fou bob!
I am that faceless tosser! I admit it! Its me.... there you go, I said it.
now shut up and listen - if you have NEVER, EVER, broken the speed limit, overtaken where you shouldnt, farted in a lift, driven with a blowing exhaust, voted labour, then fine - I will shut the bike up.
However as you sound like a speeding, flatulant, tight fisted tony-crony you can kcus ym kcoc!!!
In reply to Chris Fryer:
When I was nursing, a story was doing the rounds about a chap admitted to A&E with a milk bottle stuck up his backside. Yes, a milk bottle. Apparently he claimed that he had popped outside in just his dressing gown to see if the milk had arrived. It hadn't, but the front door then slammed shut. While trying to climb back in through a window, he had fallen and landed on an empty.
I don't know what that makes him.
G
When I was nursing, a story was doing the rounds about a chap admitted to A&E with a milk bottle stuck up his backside. Yes, a milk bottle. Apparently he claimed that he had popped outside in just his dressing gown to see if the milk had arrived. It hadn't, but the front door then slammed shut. While trying to climb back in through a window, he had fallen and landed on an empty.
I don't know what that makes him.
G
In reply to Graham:
And the tie in with bikes is.....? Nice story though, bet he had a sore hoop for months!
And the tie in with bikes is.....? Nice story though, bet he had a sore hoop for months!
In reply to Graham:
Didn't mrs Beckham get a champagne bottle stuck in her ring-piece whilst touring with the spice girls...............she's not such an innocent girl.
Didn't mrs Beckham get a champagne bottle stuck in her ring-piece whilst touring with the spice girls...............she's not such an innocent girl.
In reply to WillyB:
God, if ever a photo needed posting. . . . . .
IRT Graham, I've seen a pepper mill in the same spot, changing a light bulb naked etc.
Yes mate, always change the light bulbs starkers do you?
Nuff said, this thread could become obscene well easily!!
God, if ever a photo needed posting. . . . . .
IRT Graham, I've seen a pepper mill in the same spot, changing a light bulb naked etc.
Yes mate, always change the light bulbs starkers do you?
Nuff said, this thread could become obscene well easily!!
In reply to WillyB: A friend of mine was a doctor at St James hospital in Leeds for a while...
They had a gentleman come in with a family sized tin of beans stuck in his rectum - that's family sized not your standard 9p per tin from Tescos! He said he'd been in the shower, ran out to answer the phone and fell down the stairs landing on the 2lb tin!
Better be careful nudie soloing in Cornwall...
They had a gentleman come in with a family sized tin of beans stuck in his rectum - that's family sized not your standard 9p per tin from Tescos! He said he'd been in the shower, ran out to answer the phone and fell down the stairs landing on the 2lb tin!
Better be careful nudie soloing in Cornwall...
In reply to biglad:
oh come on....i may not have a MD after my name but how the hell do you get a family size can stuck up yer jacksie? fall or no fall.......
oh come on....i may not have a MD after my name but how the hell do you get a family size can stuck up yer jacksie? fall or no fall.......
In reply to JO:
You wouldn't believe the things people will try (and manage) to stick up their jacks Jo!!
You wouldn't believe the things people will try (and manage) to stick up their jacks Jo!!
In reply to JO: If you haven't worked in a hospital you might find some of the things people get up to in the privacy of their own home quite amazing. What makes me laugh is the recurring theme that people claim to fall on these things.
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In reply to kev:
yes, i have the magazine but a FAMILY SIZE TIN?
Jo 'slightly gobsmacked' Macleod
yes, i have the magazine but a FAMILY SIZE TIN?
Jo 'slightly gobsmacked' Macleod
In reply to biglad: There was a site of the fhm one with all the stories & x-rays from hospitals on this. The best one was the light bulb. The guy had drunk a bottle of whisky and had been bet he couldn't get it up his ar*e. The doctors tried the (baby head grabbing things) grabbers but were worried about the damage if the bulb broke, I can't remember if they had to operate.
I always like seeing bikers out for the weekend, I just think it must be great fun to cruise round on one taking in the scenes on a sunny Sunday.
Cheers
Toby
I always like seeing bikers out for the weekend, I just think it must be great fun to cruise round on one taking in the scenes on a sunny Sunday.
Cheers
Toby
In reply to kev:
Hmm, and ive got some interesting pics too!
Hmm, and ive got some interesting pics too!
In reply to Graham:
LOL how right you are!
Red hot dinner plates, vaccume attachments, small dogs, the list is endless and eye watering.
LOL how right you are!
Red hot dinner plates, vaccume attachments, small dogs, the list is endless and eye watering.
In reply to kev:
Sorry to lower the tone (?) but I've got to tell this one.
Nameless A&E dept, bloke comes in with the claim of a vibrator up himself. Nothing on physical exam, but an X-ray showed it lying in the transverse colon.
Also showed the batteries up as Duracell.
Cue deletion of patient's details and sending of x-ray to Duracell UK along with a note reading, we know you're batteries last and last, but we've never seen one up this far before.
Sorry to lower the tone (?) but I've got to tell this one.
Nameless A&E dept, bloke comes in with the claim of a vibrator up himself. Nothing on physical exam, but an X-ray showed it lying in the transverse colon.
Also showed the batteries up as Duracell.
Cue deletion of patient's details and sending of x-ray to Duracell UK along with a note reading, we know you're batteries last and last, but we've never seen one up this far before.
In reply to Bob: Best one was a chap with an inserted mobile phone - claimed he'd slipped getting out the shower until a nurse asked him "how come it's got a condom over it?".
Btw - litre modern sports bike will do 0-60mph in less than 2.3 seconds..gggrrrreat!!!!!
Btw - litre modern sports bike will do 0-60mph in less than 2.3 seconds..gggrrrreat!!!!!
This thread has taken a turn in a more..... interesting direction. Anyone know the story about the pig farmer? I havent got time to write it out now, if someone has, please do.
I wonder if anyone has ever "fallen" on their climbing gear? Anyone in the medical profession got any stories? Im wincing just thinking about it.
I wonder if anyone has ever "fallen" on their climbing gear? Anyone in the medical profession got any stories? Im wincing just thinking about it.
In reply to Chris Fryer:
Friends would prove interesting to remove.
There was a chap in my lder bruvs Birmingham uni club who was called 'twiggy', cos he fell off a route and jumped into a tree, only to get a branch in his brown eye.
Friends would prove interesting to remove.
There was a chap in my lder bruvs Birmingham uni club who was called 'twiggy', cos he fell off a route and jumped into a tree, only to get a branch in his brown eye.
In reply to Chris Fryer:
No, no and no, in that order!
Climbing kit is far to pointy!!
I've seen a crampon in an eye once though! My crampon, friend's eye. Long un gracious tumble down a slope. Ouch!
No, no and no, in that order!
Climbing kit is far to pointy!!
I've seen a crampon in an eye once though! My crampon, friend's eye. Long un gracious tumble down a slope. Ouch!
In reply to Kev: Karabiners arent at all pointy. Neither are slings
In reply to JO: Yes, family sized, the full 2lb one. The guy no doubt had shares in Vaseline!
Other things my m8 saw were test tubes, potatoes, chicken legs (!), toilet brushes (hope it was a new one - as bleach tends to collect on older ones!)..
And my tuned 1974 MotoGuzzi will do a standing 1/4 mile in less than 11 seconds. At that speed who cares how loud it is!
Other things my m8 saw were test tubes, potatoes, chicken legs (!), toilet brushes (hope it was a new one - as bleach tends to collect on older ones!)..
And my tuned 1974 MotoGuzzi will do a standing 1/4 mile in less than 11 seconds. At that speed who cares how loud it is!
In reply to Chris Fryer:
Oh, don't start! Slings are far too like tape worms for my liking, and they ain't ridgid enough to introduce up your arse! Not that I have any personal experience of this you understand?
Oh, don't start! Slings are far too like tape worms for my liking, and they ain't ridgid enough to introduce up your arse! Not that I have any personal experience of this you understand?
In reply to Graham:
dude its dekcuf up, most minging thing i ever saw and well full face helmets are a very good thing!!
dude its dekcuf up, most minging thing i ever saw and well full face helmets are a very good thing!!
In reply to sim: That is so horrible I feel sick and wish I hadn't looked.
Cheers
Toby
Cheers
Toby
In reply to Bob:
wen ah wuz in th employ ov sur antony, th bell rang wun day in th pantry, an ah wuz summnd t hiz study
wael what can ah say, sir antony and one o his chums hud bin practising ice axe arrests, apparntly naked coz th fire wuz a blazin an they wuz hot lyk
unfortunately sir antony hud a wee problem wi th axe, all i cud see was the haed glintin from his rectum
me n his chum tryd wrestlin th axe oot, wich made sir antony ver ver excitd lyk, ah must confess i didnae need any brasso t do the polishin fer a day or too
wen ah wuz in th employ ov sur antony, th bell rang wun day in th pantry, an ah wuz summnd t hiz study
wael what can ah say, sir antony and one o his chums hud bin practising ice axe arrests, apparntly naked coz th fire wuz a blazin an they wuz hot lyk
unfortunately sir antony hud a wee problem wi th axe, all i cud see was the haed glintin from his rectum
me n his chum tryd wrestlin th axe oot, wich made sir antony ver ver excitd lyk, ah must confess i didnae need any brasso t do the polishin fer a day or too
In reply to Graham:
i took the url off because well it might be too minging and you never know if kids are on the page.
i took the url off because well it might be too minging and you never know if kids are on the page.
In reply to sim:
Is that the pic of the guy who came off his Harley, where you can just see an eye through all the mess? Seen it once, don't want to again.
Mind you, maybe people should see pics like that, open face helmets are just ridiculous and the number of people you see on sports bikes with no leathers on in just a t-shirt, or with leathers but not wearing gloves (durr!) is frightening. At 60mph, you only need to slide 6 feet for your jeans to wear through, and your skin/flesh isn't going to take a lot longer.
Is that the pic of the guy who came off his Harley, where you can just see an eye through all the mess? Seen it once, don't want to again.
Mind you, maybe people should see pics like that, open face helmets are just ridiculous and the number of people you see on sports bikes with no leathers on in just a t-shirt, or with leathers but not wearing gloves (durr!) is frightening. At 60mph, you only need to slide 6 feet for your jeans to wear through, and your skin/flesh isn't going to take a lot longer.
In reply to Simon Cox:
<<I find the biker argument "motorist should be more aware" fairly unbelievable, how little do they value their own lives>>
I'm usually *very* aware of them...often when they've just disappeared into the "blind spots" about 2 ft behind and slightly to either side of my rear end. I know they're just hanging there waiting to squeeze between me and the on-coming or me and the next lane in, but one touch of my brakes and they'd be history.
<<I find the biker argument "motorist should be more aware" fairly unbelievable, how little do they value their own lives>>
I'm usually *very* aware of them...often when they've just disappeared into the "blind spots" about 2 ft behind and slightly to either side of my rear end. I know they're just hanging there waiting to squeeze between me and the on-coming or me and the next lane in, but one touch of my brakes and they'd be history.
In reply to Bob: We just need someone to invent a Personal Inflation Protection Device that blows up 360 degrees in all directions on any impact, not only will this protect Motorcyclists and Bikers, we can wear it when climbing and not bother with all this rope and pro faff! Either that or remove all air bags, and stick large metal spikes on the steering wheels of all cars
Dainese are going to be marketing an air-bag jacket for bike riders next year.
Might not suit climbers though - how high do you want to bounce?
Tried to find a link to it on their site, but it's just death by Flash. Very slow & annoying.
Dainese are going to be marketing an air-bag jacket for bike riders next year.
Might not suit climbers though - how high do you want to bounce?
Tried to find a link to it on their site, but it's just death by Flash. Very slow & annoying.
In reply to Bob:
1. Volvo can build an estate car which takes 5 people from 0 - 60 in about 7 seconds.
Yeah , well there are two faster, 4wd, estates (Audi RS4 and Impreza Turbo). Surley the ultimate climbing wheels??
2. Having spent much time belaying on the Buachaille I find that watching the A82 for cool overtaking action is often a welcome distraction to the boredom and cold !!!
G
1. Volvo can build an estate car which takes 5 people from 0 - 60 in about 7 seconds.
Yeah , well there are two faster, 4wd, estates (Audi RS4 and Impreza Turbo). Surley the ultimate climbing wheels??
2. Having spent much time belaying on the Buachaille I find that watching the A82 for cool overtaking action is often a welcome distraction to the boredom and cold !!!
G
In reply to Rob Naylor:
I was with my brother doing grain cart as a kid. Big tractor with 10 tonne of grain trailer behind, country lane so mirrors little good as all you can see is bank as the road was very narrow with less than 2 foot clearance on either side of the trailer. Anyway I'm sitting on side seat and look over my shoulder theres only some guy on a motorbike squeezing between the trailer and the bank with one foot kicking off the bank for balance! He was very lucky not to be squashed. I mean what was he thinking, the road was so narrow you wouldn't have driven the tractor past a pedestrian without them getting onto the bank. Some people have very few of the little grey cells!
I was with my brother doing grain cart as a kid. Big tractor with 10 tonne of grain trailer behind, country lane so mirrors little good as all you can see is bank as the road was very narrow with less than 2 foot clearance on either side of the trailer. Anyway I'm sitting on side seat and look over my shoulder theres only some guy on a motorbike squeezing between the trailer and the bank with one foot kicking off the bank for balance! He was very lucky not to be squashed. I mean what was he thinking, the road was so narrow you wouldn't have driven the tractor past a pedestrian without them getting onto the bank. Some people have very few of the little grey cells!
In reply to Bob:
The original poster seems to be saying, in effect, that some people who ride motorbikes are selfish gits who make far too much noise and spoil other people's day and in particular the ability of anyone in earshot to enjoy the countryside in peace and quiet.
I would have thought this was beyond any conceivable debate. It applies especially in my experience to the jerks who come through Cheddar Gorge every half-hour in the winter, and the cretins who cruise round Swanage on a Saturday night. If you recognise yourself in the above description, then I'm with Bob. You're a tosser.
Some people on this thread have misread the posting to say, 'Everyone who rides motorbikes is a tosser.' Not an easy mistake to make, but they've managed it.
As to the chap who says that 11 of his friends have been killed on motorbikes and that in 8 of these cases it was the cardriver's fault, and thinks this speaks for itself, I agree. I don't know what it says to him, but what it says to me is that drivers, whether of cars or motorbikes, sometimes make mistakes and that people who ride motorbikes are therefore going to get killed every so often. If you can't take that particular joke, don't join.
The original poster seems to be saying, in effect, that some people who ride motorbikes are selfish gits who make far too much noise and spoil other people's day and in particular the ability of anyone in earshot to enjoy the countryside in peace and quiet.
I would have thought this was beyond any conceivable debate. It applies especially in my experience to the jerks who come through Cheddar Gorge every half-hour in the winter, and the cretins who cruise round Swanage on a Saturday night. If you recognise yourself in the above description, then I'm with Bob. You're a tosser.
Some people on this thread have misread the posting to say, 'Everyone who rides motorbikes is a tosser.' Not an easy mistake to make, but they've managed it.
As to the chap who says that 11 of his friends have been killed on motorbikes and that in 8 of these cases it was the cardriver's fault, and thinks this speaks for itself, I agree. I don't know what it says to him, but what it says to me is that drivers, whether of cars or motorbikes, sometimes make mistakes and that people who ride motorbikes are therefore going to get killed every so often. If you can't take that particular joke, don't join.
In reply to John Cox:
Climbers don't own the countryside, we have to share it with other people, some of whom are bikers, who are legitimately riding down a road, which, after all, was designed for vehicles to use.
If you want complete solitude then go climb further from the road.
My day out climbing is more usually disturbed by other climbers mouthing off than by a passing bike.
Having said that, there's no excuse for the dickhead who was riding a motorbike along the top of Stanage yesterday.
Climbers don't own the countryside, we have to share it with other people, some of whom are bikers, who are legitimately riding down a road, which, after all, was designed for vehicles to use.
If you want complete solitude then go climb further from the road.
My day out climbing is more usually disturbed by other climbers mouthing off than by a passing bike.
Having said that, there's no excuse for the dickhead who was riding a motorbike along the top of Stanage yesterday.
In reply to brendonTendon: I suspect that if the noise of the bike is causing considerable disturbance because of the noise pollution, then they are _not_ legitimately riding down the road, for the following reasons:
1: exceeding the speed limit
2: exceeding noise emission regulations
3: riding recklessly (i.e. on wrong side of road)
4: putting other people's lives at risk.
I don't give a monkey's stuff if some maniac removes themselves from the gene pool by crashing into a wall/tree/lampost etc.
I object very strongly when they put other peoples' lives at risk by their selfish behaviour.
I object mildly when they incovenience/annoy other people with their loud, over-revving vehicles.
Yes, indeed, we do have to share the countryside. The natural state of affairs is peace and quiet, therefore I would suggest that the moral right is with those wish to maintain that peace.
If you want to indulge in high speed racing, do it on a racetrack, not on the public roads.
THE PUBLIC ROADS ARE NOT FOR YOU TO RACE ON. (shouting intended)
(What happended to the lesson you learned from trashing your BMW, brendon?)
1: exceeding the speed limit
2: exceeding noise emission regulations
3: riding recklessly (i.e. on wrong side of road)
4: putting other people's lives at risk.
I don't give a monkey's stuff if some maniac removes themselves from the gene pool by crashing into a wall/tree/lampost etc.
I object very strongly when they put other peoples' lives at risk by their selfish behaviour.
I object mildly when they incovenience/annoy other people with their loud, over-revving vehicles.
Yes, indeed, we do have to share the countryside. The natural state of affairs is peace and quiet, therefore I would suggest that the moral right is with those wish to maintain that peace.
If you want to indulge in high speed racing, do it on a racetrack, not on the public roads.
THE PUBLIC ROADS ARE NOT FOR YOU TO RACE ON. (shouting intended)
(What happended to the lesson you learned from trashing your BMW, brendon?)
In reply to brendonTendon:
I agree with John and Bob. In the Alps, you can't get much further from the road sometimes, yet you can still hear the motorbikes screaming along the Furka, Klausen, Grimsel, Susten, Moloja you-name-it passes. And most of these motorbikes are not there because their owners particularly need to go somewhere. The whole point is to ride around these passes. Which is OK - I bet it's good fun, if you like that kind of thing. It just seems like a very noisy sport for amoeba to me.
I used to live in a hilly part of canton Zuerich, in the Zurichberg, to the north-east of the city. My house was on a road that appeared in a book of "50 Best routes in Switzerland for motorbikes", or something like that. Every summer, they'd come. Hordes of them. Waving at each other. Getting off on their acceleration. Nearly running over my kids. Bloody annoying.
There is a very valid argument for using motorbikes in place of cars - I would use less fuel etc if I road a bike into work instead of a car, and I may well one day do so. But honestly, mountaineering uses your brain, and driving, whatever you are driving, is a brainless curse. As a sport, it's for morons.
I agree with John and Bob. In the Alps, you can't get much further from the road sometimes, yet you can still hear the motorbikes screaming along the Furka, Klausen, Grimsel, Susten, Moloja you-name-it passes. And most of these motorbikes are not there because their owners particularly need to go somewhere. The whole point is to ride around these passes. Which is OK - I bet it's good fun, if you like that kind of thing. It just seems like a very noisy sport for amoeba to me.
I used to live in a hilly part of canton Zuerich, in the Zurichberg, to the north-east of the city. My house was on a road that appeared in a book of "50 Best routes in Switzerland for motorbikes", or something like that. Every summer, they'd come. Hordes of them. Waving at each other. Getting off on their acceleration. Nearly running over my kids. Bloody annoying.
There is a very valid argument for using motorbikes in place of cars - I would use less fuel etc if I road a bike into work instead of a car, and I may well one day do so. But honestly, mountaineering uses your brain, and driving, whatever you are driving, is a brainless curse. As a sport, it's for morons.
In reply to brendonTendon:
Perfectly true. Hence: climbers, no shouting and swearing when anglers are coming down Chee Dale. No pissing too publicly ditto. No shitting on or near paths or crags. Etcetera. People on motorbikes: no fitting devices to make excessive noise, no revving of bikes while riding through enclosed gorges for the hell of it. Etcetera.
Let's face it, there is no f*cking excuse for making such a noise on the road that your particular vehicle can be distinguished from the top of the Buachaille.
Perfectly true. Hence: climbers, no shouting and swearing when anglers are coming down Chee Dale. No pissing too publicly ditto. No shitting on or near paths or crags. Etcetera. People on motorbikes: no fitting devices to make excessive noise, no revving of bikes while riding through enclosed gorges for the hell of it. Etcetera.
Let's face it, there is no f*cking excuse for making such a noise on the road that your particular vehicle can be distinguished from the top of the Buachaille.
In reply to captain paranoia:
i am presuming that the above comment applies to cars too!
i am presuming that the above comment applies to cars too!
In reply to John Cox:
its the Buachaille for god sake, you can hear someone leaving Glasgow!
its the Buachaille for god sake, you can hear someone leaving Glasgow!
In reply to captain paranoia:
chill out Captain!! Personally, I don't really ride my bike a lot on the road any more, it's too dangerous unless you want to bimble about. You can't ride a bike fast on the road anyway. I just do track-days now apart from the occasional blast around the peak.
Now, I'd agree with you on point 2 where race pipes are concerned, but all your other points are pure conjecture. Bikes are generally noisy things - just because they're making a noise doesn't mean they're exceeding the speed limit or driving dangerously.
chill out Captain!! Personally, I don't really ride my bike a lot on the road any more, it's too dangerous unless you want to bimble about. You can't ride a bike fast on the road anyway. I just do track-days now apart from the occasional blast around the peak.
Now, I'd agree with you on point 2 where race pipes are concerned, but all your other points are pure conjecture. Bikes are generally noisy things - just because they're making a noise doesn't mean they're exceeding the speed limit or driving dangerously.
In reply to JO:
Applies to any form of human activity that puts other peoples' lives at risk unnecessarily.
Sorry if I seem to be heated about this, but I am.
Consider it this way. Someone walks up to you and puts a gun at your head. Do you get angry? Of course you do.
Someone threatens your life by reckless behaviour, it's just the same as the gun. You get angry.
Applies to any form of human activity that puts other peoples' lives at risk unnecessarily.
Sorry if I seem to be heated about this, but I am.
Consider it this way. Someone walks up to you and puts a gun at your head. Do you get angry? Of course you do.
Someone threatens your life by reckless behaviour, it's just the same as the gun. You get angry.
In reply to Bob:
Leave the bikers alone,you should hunt down and kill the caravanner he was overtaking,f*****g things are a menace.
They shoukld be curfewed so they can only go out between midnight and 6am!!!
Leave the bikers alone,you should hunt down and kill the caravanner he was overtaking,f*****g things are a menace.
They shoukld be curfewed so they can only go out between midnight and 6am!!!
In reply to andy flint:
in all seriousness that is a very good point it would make the m6 trip to lakes in august possibly bearable!
in all seriousness that is a very good point it would make the m6 trip to lakes in august possibly bearable!
In reply to brendonTendon:
Yes, they are conjecture. But from my experience, they are also usually true.
It's unfortunate that it happened to be you who posted, brendon, as I've made similar comments to you before. I don't have a vendetta against you or anything...
But I will not chill out if people are putting other peoples' lives at risk for their own selfish purposes. I will not stand for it.
I understand the thrill of driving/riding fast, but I do not accept that public roads are the place to indulge in it.
Yes, they are conjecture. But from my experience, they are also usually true.
It's unfortunate that it happened to be you who posted, brendon, as I've made similar comments to you before. I don't have a vendetta against you or anything...
But I will not chill out if people are putting other peoples' lives at risk for their own selfish purposes. I will not stand for it.
I understand the thrill of driving/riding fast, but I do not accept that public roads are the place to indulge in it.
In reply to mbh:
But honestly, mountaineering uses your brain, and driving, whatever you are driving, is a brainless curse. As a sport, it's for morons
Don't be ridiculous. Ever ridden a bike fast? There's no standing about thinking about the next move, you are making constant split second decisions where if you blow it, you are almost certainly going to hurt yourself. You just don't know what you're talking about.
But honestly, mountaineering uses your brain, and driving, whatever you are driving, is a brainless curse. As a sport, it's for morons
Don't be ridiculous. Ever ridden a bike fast? There's no standing about thinking about the next move, you are making constant split second decisions where if you blow it, you are almost certainly going to hurt yourself. You just don't know what you're talking about.
In reply to sim:
Serious am I Master,personally the Force used have I to many destroy.
r u back climbing yet? still waiting to film ascent at Burbage!!
Serious am I Master,personally the Force used have I to many destroy.
r u back climbing yet? still waiting to film ascent at Burbage!!
In reply to captain paranoia:
driving fast say along the snake pass is forgivable in my eyes but ponder this.. the annoying person whos been holding you up for ages driving at 40 mph all the way enters sheffield and doesnt slow down when it gets to 30 (now that really fcuking irritates me) so was he safe because he drove slow and considerate along the pass?
driving fast say along the snake pass is forgivable in my eyes but ponder this.. the annoying person whos been holding you up for ages driving at 40 mph all the way enters sheffield and doesnt slow down when it gets to 30 (now that really fcuking irritates me) so was he safe because he drove slow and considerate along the pass?
In reply to JO: oh, you were probably referring to my shouty 'roads are not for racing' bit. Yeah, m.bikes, cars, cycles, skateboards, microscooters, whatever.
In reply to captain paranoia:
It's unfortunate that it happened to be you who posted, brendon, as I've made similar comments to you before. I don't have a vendetta against you or anything...
no worries...
I understand the thrill of driving/riding fast, but I do not accept that public roads are the place to indulge in it
very true. Apart from the risks to others, at least on a track day you've got an ambulance on standby at all times.
It's unfortunate that it happened to be you who posted, brendon, as I've made similar comments to you before. I don't have a vendetta against you or anything...
no worries...
I understand the thrill of driving/riding fast, but I do not accept that public roads are the place to indulge in it
very true. Apart from the risks to others, at least on a track day you've got an ambulance on standby at all times.
In reply to JO: is that a Jeremy Paxman 'yeeeees'?
In reply to brendonTendon, in reply to mbh:
"But honestly, mountaineering uses your brain, and driving, whatever you are driving, is a brainless curse. As a sport, it's for morons"
'Don't be ridiculous. Ever ridden a bike fast? There's no standing about thinking about the next move, you are making constant split second decisions where if you blow it, you are almost certainly going to hurt yourself. You just don't know what you're talking about.'
yeah, I read the comment and thought exactly the same as you.
See, I told you I didn't have a vendetta...
"But honestly, mountaineering uses your brain, and driving, whatever you are driving, is a brainless curse. As a sport, it's for morons"
'Don't be ridiculous. Ever ridden a bike fast? There's no standing about thinking about the next move, you are making constant split second decisions where if you blow it, you are almost certainly going to hurt yourself. You just don't know what you're talking about.'
yeah, I read the comment and thought exactly the same as you.
See, I told you I didn't have a vendetta...
In reply to brendonTendon:
That really does sound like a sport for morons then. An arcade game for grown-ups, with lives at stake.
That really does sound like a sport for morons then. An arcade game for grown-ups, with lives at stake.
In reply to mbh:
duurrrr! And mountaineering isn't dangerous? Not only for yourself, but for the rescue teams that have to come out and get you when you hurt yourself.
How many people die in the Alps each year? Lives at stake, don't make me laugh.
anyway, I'm off home so this'll have to continue tomorrow...
duurrrr! And mountaineering isn't dangerous? Not only for yourself, but for the rescue teams that have to come out and get you when you hurt yourself.
How many people die in the Alps each year? Lives at stake, don't make me laugh.
anyway, I'm off home so this'll have to continue tomorrow...
In reply to brendonTendon:
I think about 10-20 die in the Swiss Alps each year. About 700 die on the roads. And if a minority of the road users, some of them motorcyclists, are going to a drive such that they and others are a hair's breadth from serious injury, for fun, then it's not hard to see why the road deaths are so numerous.
I have weorried about the risks I inflict on others when I go in the mountains. I do worry about that. At least, though, the mountain rescue teams do what they do knowingly. Unlike my kids when they step in front of your bikes. And if I did what I did as recklessly as you do your driving, I would be pilloried by the rescue teams as irresponsible. You don't agree? You think that that adrenalin rush you get from motorcycling at speed on public roads is anything short of bloody dangerous for all concerned? I don't think so. Nor do the Swiss road authorities. Have you seen all those warning sigbns on every pass, aimed specifically at motorcyclists?
I think about 10-20 die in the Swiss Alps each year. About 700 die on the roads. And if a minority of the road users, some of them motorcyclists, are going to a drive such that they and others are a hair's breadth from serious injury, for fun, then it's not hard to see why the road deaths are so numerous.
I have weorried about the risks I inflict on others when I go in the mountains. I do worry about that. At least, though, the mountain rescue teams do what they do knowingly. Unlike my kids when they step in front of your bikes. And if I did what I did as recklessly as you do your driving, I would be pilloried by the rescue teams as irresponsible. You don't agree? You think that that adrenalin rush you get from motorcycling at speed on public roads is anything short of bloody dangerous for all concerned? I don't think so. Nor do the Swiss road authorities. Have you seen all those warning sigbns on every pass, aimed specifically at motorcyclists?
In reply to mbh:
I believe that brendontendon is defending racing on tracks, while you are attacking racing on roads. I have an idea that brendontendon actually agreed higher up the thread that this latter was not on.
I believe that brendontendon is defending racing on tracks, while you are attacking racing on roads. I have an idea that brendontendon actually agreed higher up the thread that this latter was not on.
In reply to mbh:
Listen. You quote 700 deaths on the roads. I suggest you go and find out how many of the fatalities involving motorbikes were non-bikers. Also, check on the number of pedestrian bike related accidents compared to car related accidents. And then check on the types of cars involved in those accidents. Then you will have the right statistics to be quoting.
I can't stand badly quoted statistics, except the one which says you are more likely to be kicked to death by a donkey (not mules either!) than die in a plane crash.
Listen. You quote 700 deaths on the roads. I suggest you go and find out how many of the fatalities involving motorbikes were non-bikers. Also, check on the number of pedestrian bike related accidents compared to car related accidents. And then check on the types of cars involved in those accidents. Then you will have the right statistics to be quoting.
I can't stand badly quoted statistics, except the one which says you are more likely to be kicked to death by a donkey (not mules either!) than die in a plane crash.
In reply to SammyB:
Calm down. What's your opinion Sammy? Do you think biking is dangerous? As far as I know, those are the right figures. You're right though, that they hide a lot and don't answer the question "Is motorcycling "dangerous", or say to whom it is more dangerous. But every motorcyclist I know has had at least one near death experience, and even if an accident only involves a biker, there are likely to be shocked other people around. The figures do make me feel that the roads are a dangerous enough place though, and that anything that adds to that danger for fun is reckless. Only an opinion, I know, but that's how I feel. I have seen many, many road accidents, as i am sure you have, and I can't let my kids play outside without looking out for them all the time, because of the traffic. The motorbikes were the biggest single component of the traffic during the summer, when I lived in that Swiss village. i am not a slow driver, but every time I drive in the Alps I get motorbikes up my backside trying to pass me, and that makes me nervous. I can't see how that cannot but make an accident more likely. Traffic is the problem, amd motorbikes are a part of it.
And, I am sorry, I do object to the noise. It f*cks up the solitude of the Alps. Since the masses of motorcyclists that I see there are treating the region as little more than a race track, to the detriment of the beauty of the place (IMHO) I wish they'd go to a race track. Sorry Brendon, but I do think it's more arcade game than cerebral.
Calm down. What's your opinion Sammy? Do you think biking is dangerous? As far as I know, those are the right figures. You're right though, that they hide a lot and don't answer the question "Is motorcycling "dangerous", or say to whom it is more dangerous. But every motorcyclist I know has had at least one near death experience, and even if an accident only involves a biker, there are likely to be shocked other people around. The figures do make me feel that the roads are a dangerous enough place though, and that anything that adds to that danger for fun is reckless. Only an opinion, I know, but that's how I feel. I have seen many, many road accidents, as i am sure you have, and I can't let my kids play outside without looking out for them all the time, because of the traffic. The motorbikes were the biggest single component of the traffic during the summer, when I lived in that Swiss village. i am not a slow driver, but every time I drive in the Alps I get motorbikes up my backside trying to pass me, and that makes me nervous. I can't see how that cannot but make an accident more likely. Traffic is the problem, amd motorbikes are a part of it.
And, I am sorry, I do object to the noise. It f*cks up the solitude of the Alps. Since the masses of motorcyclists that I see there are treating the region as little more than a race track, to the detriment of the beauty of the place (IMHO) I wish they'd go to a race track. Sorry Brendon, but I do think it's more arcade game than cerebral.
In reply to Bob:
I like bikes but I wish the idiots who have been chewing up the track below Slipstones recently would POAD
I like bikes but I wish the idiots who have been chewing up the track below Slipstones recently would POAD
In reply to Bob:
I'll be frank, Bob. I thought you were into freedom, being a climber an' all? Stop moaning. You definitely seem to have some prejudice towards motorcyclists. I assume you've never owned one? I'd also bet you've never had a good friend who rides a motorcycle.
"His pathetic bike"? "Develop the necessary skill to ride the damn things properly"?
I wouldn't say his bike's 'pathetic'. Maybe he'd say the same thing about your car. Or maybe he wouldn't; he may be a little more open-minded to respect your vehicle of choice.
Survey's have shown that average motorcyclist, as compared to the average motorist, has much more 'road-awareness' and is far more skilful in handling cars as well as motorbikes. This makes sense, since riding a motorbike is potentially more dangerous than driving a car.
I respect the fact that you may find the noise they produce annoying, I do too, from time to time, but I don't agree with or see sense in classing him as a 'tosser'.
Another thing I'd like to add, is that I find the noise from the cars at the bottom of Tremadog irritating when I trying to hear my partner, but I don't call them 'tossers'. They're not intentionally trying to annoy me or disrupt my activity. They're just out having a drive.
I'll be frank, Bob. I thought you were into freedom, being a climber an' all? Stop moaning. You definitely seem to have some prejudice towards motorcyclists. I assume you've never owned one? I'd also bet you've never had a good friend who rides a motorcycle.
"His pathetic bike"? "Develop the necessary skill to ride the damn things properly"?
I wouldn't say his bike's 'pathetic'. Maybe he'd say the same thing about your car. Or maybe he wouldn't; he may be a little more open-minded to respect your vehicle of choice.
Survey's have shown that average motorcyclist, as compared to the average motorist, has much more 'road-awareness' and is far more skilful in handling cars as well as motorbikes. This makes sense, since riding a motorbike is potentially more dangerous than driving a car.
I respect the fact that you may find the noise they produce annoying, I do too, from time to time, but I don't agree with or see sense in classing him as a 'tosser'.
Another thing I'd like to add, is that I find the noise from the cars at the bottom of Tremadog irritating when I trying to hear my partner, but I don't call them 'tossers'. They're not intentionally trying to annoy me or disrupt my activity. They're just out having a drive.
In reply to mbh:
I have a bike. Currently in little pieces. Crashed it a coupla weeks ago. Believe it or not, doing around 30 mph.
I personally think that bikers don't take enough responsibility for their actions, but I also believe that the direct injuries caused by bikers are minimal. I would also say that every single biker I know is above the norm in their car driving skills owing to a heightened awareness of what is going on around them. It is my opinion that car drivers take next to no responsibility for their actions either, and even though I wouldn't like it myself, I suspect we would all be safer if we had to sit a reassessment every couple of years.
I'm not sure about the bike noise thing. After all you can hear a main road and cars from almost anywhere in the country if you stay quiet. THAT really annoys me. AAnd it annoys me that HGVs cause an average of £23000 worth of damage to the roads each year, and yet they complain about taxes being too high.
I am very firmly of the opinion that very few people at all stop and think about the consequences of their actions in any arena. That makes me furious. I try to, and I think I do OK. I could do better though.
I have a bike. Currently in little pieces. Crashed it a coupla weeks ago. Believe it or not, doing around 30 mph.
I personally think that bikers don't take enough responsibility for their actions, but I also believe that the direct injuries caused by bikers are minimal. I would also say that every single biker I know is above the norm in their car driving skills owing to a heightened awareness of what is going on around them. It is my opinion that car drivers take next to no responsibility for their actions either, and even though I wouldn't like it myself, I suspect we would all be safer if we had to sit a reassessment every couple of years.
I'm not sure about the bike noise thing. After all you can hear a main road and cars from almost anywhere in the country if you stay quiet. THAT really annoys me. AAnd it annoys me that HGVs cause an average of £23000 worth of damage to the roads each year, and yet they complain about taxes being too high.
I am very firmly of the opinion that very few people at all stop and think about the consequences of their actions in any arena. That makes me furious. I try to, and I think I do OK. I could do better though.
In reply to Andy S:
I share your libertarian outlook, but I don't think people care enough to not harm others with their actions. That makes me sad. I'm a chaotic kinda person, possibly even an anarchist, but I have no illusions that it would work any better than what we already have.
I share your libertarian outlook, but I don't think people care enough to not harm others with their actions. That makes me sad. I'm a chaotic kinda person, possibly even an anarchist, but I have no illusions that it would work any better than what we already have.
In reply to SammyB: I agree with you completely, that's just the way people are and the world is and that will never change.
People want freedom, but for everyone to get their freedom each person also has to exercise tolerance towards others in their pursuit of freedom.
We could get all hippy here. But I'm not one, so I won't.
People want freedom, but for everyone to get their freedom each person also has to exercise tolerance towards others in their pursuit of freedom.
We could get all hippy here. But I'm not one, so I won't.
Just a though on the thread topic - surely tossing while on a motorbike is bloody dangerous anyway. Especially when your eyes roll up.
In reply to Andy S: Yeah, who would ride a motorbike if they were off their face
In reply to Andy S: I think andy r said earlier that the bikers on the A65 were mad on Sundays. An example of how mad last year. Returning from the lakes near coniston cold all the traffic was stationary nose to tail on the twisty bit. Bikes were going down the outside over the double whites without thinking how fast can they reverse on a bike.
Coming back with vdiff dave the other week we passed a truck going the other way at a fair lick taking ALL his side of the road, a line of bikers would have been a line of crushed bikers.
Coming back with vdiff dave the other week we passed a truck going the other way at a fair lick taking ALL his side of the road, a line of bikers would have been a line of crushed bikers.
In reply to GFoz:
In reply to Bob:
1. Volvo can build an estate car which takes 5 people from 0 - 60 in about 7 seconds.
Yeah , well there are two faster, 4wd, estates (Audi RS4 and Impreza Turbo). Surley the ultimate climbing wheels??
Five people in an Impreza isn't all that comfortable. I know: I've got one. Rear seat legroom is decidely parsimonious. A friend of mine has an RS4; it's much more roomy, and goes like stink.
In any case, Volvo can't build an estate car which takes 5 peple from 0-60 in about 7 seconds. Or if they can, they don't sell it in this country. The V70 T5, which is the model to which I assume you are referring, is quoted as taking 7.1 seconds 0-60. That would not have been measured with five people on board. The kerb weight of the T5 is 1528kg. Stick a driver in it and you're looking at a bit over 1600kg. Stick another four people and some luggage in it and you're talking nearer two tonnes. With that load on board the 0-60 time is going to be more like 8.5 seconds.
2. Having spent much time belaying on the Buachaille I find that watching the A82 for cool overtaking action is often a welcome distraction to the boredom and cold !!!
Earlier this year I was on the Aonach Eagach with a bunch of pals and we heard the unmistakeable drone of performance engines wending their way through Glencoe. Glancing down in to the valley expecting to see some motorcyclists out for a Saturday morning run, instead we discovered that the fun was being had by a convoy of Caterhams.
So it's not just bikes that can make intrusive noises. I think you'll find that big trucks and artics (like the Safeway trucks which pound up and down to Fort Bill) can also be rather noisy. As can light aircraft, and helicopters - the latter are not infrequent visitors to Glencoe. I well remember a late summer afternoon spent lazing in the sun on Hollins Cross, the peace and quiet disturbed only by the trains passing by down below in Edale.
It is true that some people fit obnoxiously loud exhausts to their bikes. The worst offenders in my opinion are those who put ever-so-stylish-looking slash cut pipes on their Harley Davidsons. These make a ghastly racket, while still leaving the bike unable to pull the skin off a rice pudding. You also have to suffer the noise for longer because the damn things are so slow. Such people I think are tossers, because their sole aim appears to be to draw attention to themselves.
By the way, I do ride a motorbike. It can out-accelerate a T5 and new would have cost less than a third of the price of a new T5. But that's irrelevant, because anyone who thinks that there can be any comparison between the experience of riding a fast bike and driving a Volvo clearly has no experience of riding a motorbike. They might very well not not like it if they did, but at least they might realise that the two are barely comparable.
Oh, and another thing: I believe that riding a motorbike is not dangerous. Crashing a motorbike, on the other hand, is an activity best avoided. I should know, I've done it a couple of times (both sub 40mph, no speed limits exceeded) and I didn't enjoy it either time. It's a bit like climbing, which is pretty safe apart from things like falling rocks, plummeting sheep etc. Falling, however, can turn out to be deleterious to one's health.
In reply to Bob:
1. Volvo can build an estate car which takes 5 people from 0 - 60 in about 7 seconds.
Yeah , well there are two faster, 4wd, estates (Audi RS4 and Impreza Turbo). Surley the ultimate climbing wheels??
Five people in an Impreza isn't all that comfortable. I know: I've got one. Rear seat legroom is decidely parsimonious. A friend of mine has an RS4; it's much more roomy, and goes like stink.
In any case, Volvo can't build an estate car which takes 5 peple from 0-60 in about 7 seconds. Or if they can, they don't sell it in this country. The V70 T5, which is the model to which I assume you are referring, is quoted as taking 7.1 seconds 0-60. That would not have been measured with five people on board. The kerb weight of the T5 is 1528kg. Stick a driver in it and you're looking at a bit over 1600kg. Stick another four people and some luggage in it and you're talking nearer two tonnes. With that load on board the 0-60 time is going to be more like 8.5 seconds.
2. Having spent much time belaying on the Buachaille I find that watching the A82 for cool overtaking action is often a welcome distraction to the boredom and cold !!!
Earlier this year I was on the Aonach Eagach with a bunch of pals and we heard the unmistakeable drone of performance engines wending their way through Glencoe. Glancing down in to the valley expecting to see some motorcyclists out for a Saturday morning run, instead we discovered that the fun was being had by a convoy of Caterhams.
So it's not just bikes that can make intrusive noises. I think you'll find that big trucks and artics (like the Safeway trucks which pound up and down to Fort Bill) can also be rather noisy. As can light aircraft, and helicopters - the latter are not infrequent visitors to Glencoe. I well remember a late summer afternoon spent lazing in the sun on Hollins Cross, the peace and quiet disturbed only by the trains passing by down below in Edale.
It is true that some people fit obnoxiously loud exhausts to their bikes. The worst offenders in my opinion are those who put ever-so-stylish-looking slash cut pipes on their Harley Davidsons. These make a ghastly racket, while still leaving the bike unable to pull the skin off a rice pudding. You also have to suffer the noise for longer because the damn things are so slow. Such people I think are tossers, because their sole aim appears to be to draw attention to themselves.
By the way, I do ride a motorbike. It can out-accelerate a T5 and new would have cost less than a third of the price of a new T5. But that's irrelevant, because anyone who thinks that there can be any comparison between the experience of riding a fast bike and driving a Volvo clearly has no experience of riding a motorbike. They might very well not not like it if they did, but at least they might realise that the two are barely comparable.
Oh, and another thing: I believe that riding a motorbike is not dangerous. Crashing a motorbike, on the other hand, is an activity best avoided. I should know, I've done it a couple of times (both sub 40mph, no speed limits exceeded) and I didn't enjoy it either time. It's a bit like climbing, which is pretty safe apart from things like falling rocks, plummeting sheep etc. Falling, however, can turn out to be deleterious to one's health.
In reply to Martin W:
probably the most eloquent and well thought out response ever in the entire history of RockTalk, well done lad!
probably the most eloquent and well thought out response ever in the entire history of RockTalk, well done lad!
In reply to John Cox:
>Some people on this thread have misread the posting to
>say, 'Everyone who rides motorbikes is a tosser.' Not an
>easy mistake to make, but they've managed it.
I disagree, John. The original post started off by saying, effectively, "cars are great". It then went on to be critical about the behaviour of an unspecified number of motorcyclists ("bikes" and "riders" were both used in the plural). Gieven this, I think it is not unreasonable to view the overall tone of the original posting as being fairly indiscriminately anti-bike.
>Some people on this thread have misread the posting to
>say, 'Everyone who rides motorbikes is a tosser.' Not an
>easy mistake to make, but they've managed it.
I disagree, John. The original post started off by saying, effectively, "cars are great". It then went on to be critical about the behaviour of an unspecified number of motorcyclists ("bikes" and "riders" were both used in the plural). Gieven this, I think it is not unreasonable to view the overall tone of the original posting as being fairly indiscriminately anti-bike.
In reply to Martin W:
Martin, I refer you both to the "Trainspotting" thread, and The St John's Ambulance First Aid Manual, page 67, "Emergency procedures to be followed in the event of dictionary ingestion".
G
Martin, I refer you both to the "Trainspotting" thread, and The St John's Ambulance First Aid Manual, page 67, "Emergency procedures to be followed in the event of dictionary ingestion".
G
In reply to Bob:
I think everyone is right in all their responses.
Most traffic noise is from a variety of vehicles, however, Froggatt and Curbar are always disrupted by the sound of motorbikes. And they're always the high-pitched off-roaders that are responsible. All bloody day and bloody loud.
On Saturday some real adventurous dudes sent stanage man in their land-rovers. Must have hit at least 5 mph.
I think everyone is right in all their responses.
Most traffic noise is from a variety of vehicles, however, Froggatt and Curbar are always disrupted by the sound of motorbikes. And they're always the high-pitched off-roaders that are responsible. All bloody day and bloody loud.
On Saturday some real adventurous dudes sent stanage man in their land-rovers. Must have hit at least 5 mph.
In reply to everyone:
Went to Wirksworth wall last week and saw a nasty bike/car coming together, where both seemed to have been trying to cut a corner on the chicane into the village. Despite an impressive-looking dent in the side of the Nova, the biker appeared to be walking about OK. Hope he was alright.
Don't know about anyone else, but I usually have a pretty keen sense of awareness if there's a bike behind me when I'm driving (and between Derby and the Peak that's quite a bit). I always move over, cos the guy on the bikes only got to sneeze on his throttle to pass my lovely rusty 1.1 escort. I've seen people really hogging the road with a bike behind them, and then they get to a straight and the bike's over the horizon on about a millisecond. Pointless really.
I've always been really worried about knocking bikers off their wheels, cos then you're in danger of wrecking someone else's pride and joy, and also severely pissing off a biker. And I'm not at all hard, and I bleed lots.
Went to Wirksworth wall last week and saw a nasty bike/car coming together, where both seemed to have been trying to cut a corner on the chicane into the village. Despite an impressive-looking dent in the side of the Nova, the biker appeared to be walking about OK. Hope he was alright.
Don't know about anyone else, but I usually have a pretty keen sense of awareness if there's a bike behind me when I'm driving (and between Derby and the Peak that's quite a bit). I always move over, cos the guy on the bikes only got to sneeze on his throttle to pass my lovely rusty 1.1 escort. I've seen people really hogging the road with a bike behind them, and then they get to a straight and the bike's over the horizon on about a millisecond. Pointless really.
I've always been really worried about knocking bikers off their wheels, cos then you're in danger of wrecking someone else's pride and joy, and also severely pissing off a biker. And I'm not at all hard, and I bleed lots.
In reply to Bob: Shouldn't you be in a mental home! Some of your points are complete shit. You really dont have a clue bout anything.
In reply to fat dweeb: No wonder your name is fat dweeb. Who ate all the pies
Who ate all the pies
You fat bastard
You fat bastard
You ate all the pies.
Who ate all the pies
You fat bastard
You fat bastard
You ate all the pies.
In reply to JO's: "well done lad!"
Whoa there, young lady - I've got ten years on you!
Whoa there, young lady - I've got ten years on you!
In reply to Graham:
I looked at the trainspotting thread, having previously ignored it. I don't quite see the relevance?
I don't have a St John's Ambulance First Aid Manual. However, my PADI Medic First Aid manual doesn't mention anything about dictionary ingestion.
I'm confused.
I looked at the trainspotting thread, having previously ignored it. I don't quite see the relevance?
I don't have a St John's Ambulance First Aid Manual. However, my PADI Medic First Aid manual doesn't mention anything about dictionary ingestion.
I'm confused.
In reply to Bo
Martin W and sammy B provided some particularly interesting insights. The rest of the so called 'fun' ie slagging each other off with the word Tosser isnt so impressive- Boyish behaviour perhaps?
Truth is if you want to feel at one with the environemnt and get away from it all it can spoil your day with any loud traffic noise- helecopters,
Bikers in the Llanberis Pass are worse culpits I feel.
Best point so far is that most of these 'tossers' are one who fit 'loud ' exhausts , mine aint that loud, and the best vehicle for a climber is a VW Camper & I've got one of them too!!!
If you want true tranquility try Shelter stone - not a road in sight!
From
A biker!!!!
Martin W and sammy B provided some particularly interesting insights. The rest of the so called 'fun' ie slagging each other off with the word Tosser isnt so impressive- Boyish behaviour perhaps?
Truth is if you want to feel at one with the environemnt and get away from it all it can spoil your day with any loud traffic noise- helecopters,
Bikers in the Llanberis Pass are worse culpits I feel.
Best point so far is that most of these 'tossers' are one who fit 'loud ' exhausts , mine aint that loud, and the best vehicle for a climber is a VW Camper & I've got one of them too!!!
If you want true tranquility try Shelter stone - not a road in sight!
From
A biker!!!!
In reply to Bob: As a motorcyclist of the last 16 years heed the following:
1. Do not mention Volvos and bikes in the same breath
2. Be sure to note take enough rope to hang yourself
1. Do not mention Volvos and bikes in the same breath
2. Be sure to note take enough rope to hang yourself
In reply to Wayne:
I don’t feel like a sad B******d in my Volvo. I feel the same as I do in my MG, Jensen or on my Triumph T120, the only difference, when I get to font I’ve got all my gear and somewhere to sleep when campsites get waterlogged. I guess I will have to put up with being dry, comfy and un-cool.
I don’t feel like a sad B******d in my Volvo. I feel the same as I do in my MG, Jensen or on my Triumph T120, the only difference, when I get to font I’ve got all my gear and somewhere to sleep when campsites get waterlogged. I guess I will have to put up with being dry, comfy and un-cool.
In reply to Rob D: Getting wet on a bike is like falling of a climb...Makes the sun comming out (making the next climb) all the better. I am sorry, I can be a little flexible with the car driving public, but Volvos are a different matter. I suspect Volvo drivers are also behind chipping and bolting as well as the attack on the twin towers. I'm sorry but thats how I see it.
In reply to Wayne:
You’re absolutely right. I can remember riding my bike home on the Middlesborough parkway in the wind driven sleet thinking “you poor Volvo driving git sitting in your nice warm car I bet you wish you were me”. Likewise while I was in a crumpled heap at the bottom of Dungeon Ghyll, trying to determine what was broken, my first thoughts were; “It will make the next climb all the better”. Why would I attack the twin towers when I had friends working there?
You’re absolutely right. I can remember riding my bike home on the Middlesborough parkway in the wind driven sleet thinking “you poor Volvo driving git sitting in your nice warm car I bet you wish you were me”. Likewise while I was in a crumpled heap at the bottom of Dungeon Ghyll, trying to determine what was broken, my first thoughts were; “It will make the next climb all the better”. Why would I attack the twin towers when I had friends working there?
In reply to Rob D: I'm sorry you are unable to enjoy the finer things in life. I suppose it comes down to a matter of taste, after all you did buy a Volvo (snigger).
In reply to Wayne:
I also have a Triumph T120, for you younger ones that a motorbike, two sports cars and I climb in the Alps. They may not be the finer things in life, but I struggle through
I also have a Triumph T120, for you younger ones that a motorbike, two sports cars and I climb in the Alps. They may not be the finer things in life, but I struggle through
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