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I have a Canon EOS 5D Mark II and use the Lee filter system. At the moment I have a 24-105mm lens. At 24mm, there is no vignetting of the filter holder. However, when a polarising filter is fitted, it can just be seen in the corners of the image. This is a bit annoying, but I can live with that as I use the polariser relatively rarely and at a slightly longer focal length the corners are clear.

Has anyone used a similar set-up at (35mm equivalent) focal lengths below 24mm? If so, does vignetting occur?

Grateful for any advice.

In reply to DougG:

I get the same on FF Canon and the 24-105mm.

You can reduce effect, by reducing number of filter slots you use.

I also think I use a low profile adapter ring, which helps a bit.

In reply to DougG:

The other thing I now do is just handhold the filter and polariser over the front of the lens (can be tricky when also using the camera hand held!).

I have to do this with 16-35mm lens.

In reply to ChrisJD:

Thanks Chris, I was hoping you'd be able to help!

I think that if I get a wide-angle lens (thinking of the 17-40) I might have to get another filter holder; the one I have just now has the polariser ring-adaptor screwed on to the front of it. (I could unscrew it and fit it again whenever I want to use the polariser, but practically speaking that would be a bloody nightmare.)

In reply to ChrisJD:

Aye, there's always that option. I always have the camera on a tripod so holding it wouldn't be such a problem.

In reply to DougG:

How many filter slots do you have between lens and polariser mount?


You might struggle with 17mm end on the 17-40, no matter what filter holder you use.

Email Lee - they will have dealt with this many times no doubt!

In reply to DougG:

Could use screw in polariser to the lens then attach the lee filter holder? The Hoya screw in "HD" poarisers are supremely good !

In reply to ChrisJD:

I've got 2 filter slots at the moment, Chris.
I suspect you're right - I'd have problems with any filter holder at the wide end so it might just mean hand-holding the filter(s).

(Got some dosh to spend just now and have been trying to choose between the 17-40 and the 70-200. Having trouble deciding, so this might be a clincher.)

In reply to DougG:

Sometimes, a step up filter ring used to be used for this sort of problem but no idea if they still make them.

Ah yes;
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/search/?q=step%20up%20rings

In reply to DougG:



That's a really tough call !

In reply to sutty:

Nice one. That's a crackin idea!

In reply to sutty:

I don't think this would help in this case, as the oversized 105mm thread Lee polariser is mounted onto the Lee filer Holder, so the issue is that the polariser is already too far away from the front of the lens.

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-lee-105mm-front-holder-ring/p1010430

Unless he can step-up to 105mm and then mount the filter holder onto the 105mm Lee polariser (need to check if it is threaded on inside and outside).

In reply to ChrisJD:

Yep, it's one of those rings that I've got. (That's the adaptor ring I was talking about above - allows you to rotate the polariser independently of the other filters. Would be far too fiddly to unscrew it and then screw it back on whenever I wanted to use the polariser.)

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone!

In reply to ChrisJD:

Oh for the days when 28mm was the widest lens you could get apart from a fisheye.

In reply to DougG:
I'e got a couple of Lee 'W/A' rings that are supposed to help with that...just means they pull the holder closer into the lens rim. Only used on M/F film cameras down to around 24mm-28mm eqivalent without shading, seems to work okay.

In reply to dek:

I'd forgotten about them - cheers. I think the holder that I have is the standard one.

In reply to dek:

There's some info on the vignetting issue here:

http://www.leefilters.com/camera/advice/faq/

Q. When should I use a wide angle adaptor ring ?
A. On any lens wider than 24mm ( on 35mm ) or the equivalent on Digital or larger formats, using a wide angle adaptor ring will greatly reduce the chances of vignetting.

Q. Will a Wide Angle Adaptor Ring work on any lens ?
A. A Wide Angle Adaptor Ring will have no detrimental effects if used on standard or telephoto lenses.

Q. How wide will the LEE Filter System go without vignetting ?
A. Again there is no hard and fast answer to this, lens specs and designs change all the time, as do the filter holder requirements. However, as a rough guide, using a simple holder setup with 2 filter slots, and no lens shade a DSLR (small chip) will go down to 10mm. A 35mm & Full chip DSLR will go down to 17mm. A medium format 645 & 6x6 will go down to 35mm. A medium format 6x7 will go down to 45mm. A larger format 5x4 camera will go down to 70 – 90mm.

However... the wide-angle holder seems to be specific to the Nikon 14-24mm lens.
http://www.leefilters.com/camera/products/range/ref:I46C9C1D4E9CC6/
http://www.leefilters.com/camera/products/finder/ref:C4BA0B2B8A73D1/

Confusing!

In reply to ChrisJD:


Wide Angle Adaptor Ring - that's what I meant above.

Looks like you'll get away with a filter, but not the polariser on the 17mm on a full frame.

In reply to ChrisJD:

I've just checked and I have the wide angle one! It's a couple of years since I bought it, I'll blame that plus my advancing years.

Down to 17mm but without the polariser - I can live with that. Looking like it might be the 17-40 then, though that 70-200 would be bloody nice too.

In reply to DougG: I'm very tempted by the new 70-300 rather than the 70-200. http://www.bristolcameras.co.uk/p-canon-70-300mm-f4-5-6-l-is-usm-ef-lens.ht...

In reply to John2:

Looks very nice. Out of my current budget range however!

I wonder, will we ever see a thread in the photography forum that's about photography and not cameras?

In reply to niggle:

Not sure what your point is?

For a start, there have been threads about photography.

In reply to niggle:

I wonder if we'll see a photography post from niggle that isn't smarmy.

In reply to DougG:


Fiddling with a camera is not photography.

In reply to niggle:

What would you know about photography anyway?

In reply to niggle:

Hey niggle, we were having a real nice thread here, please don't ruin it.

In reply to ChrisJD:

This is it? A really nice photography thread? A lot of self-important blethers about what lens you're going to buy next and who's going to spend the most money?

A real nice photography thread, without a single photograph being shared. Oh, I think I'll leave you to it all right!

In reply to niggle:

<Sighs>

Can you ever not be either:

1) Smarmy
2) Insulting


Thanks for leaving the thread - you really are not welcome.

In reply to niggle:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/i.php?f=18
"This is the place for all discussions relating to cameras and outdoor photography. Discuss the latest digital camera or have long discussions over the merits of one of the many thousands of photographs in the UKC Photo Galleries. Please use the For Sale Forum for selling your camera gear."

In reply to DougG:

Anyway, back to the matters in hand.

Let us know how you get on with your decision and resoling the filter/polariser problem.

In reply to ChrisJD: 'Let us know how you get on with your decision and resoling the filter/polariser problem'

And you let us know how you get on resolving your rock shoes.

In reply to John2:

Indeed!

I need a coffee hit

In reply to ChrisJD:

Will do, Chris.

In reply to niggle: If you want to see some of my photos buy the forthcoming Pembroke Range East guidebook. Where can we see some of your's?

In reply to John2:


You can't, because I'm not going to expose my clients' brands to being hassled by a bunch of toddlers who have an axe to grind with me.

In reply to niggle:

That's not a very constructive thing to say. Do you have personal project photos you could share? (e.g. like my Flickr feed)

In reply to Removed User:

Yes, loads. But I'll be a little blunt here if you don't mind, and I'll apologise in advance if this offend anyone (or everyone).

I'm not interested in what the people posting on this thread think of my work, whether it's my design, my photography or my video work. I'm not interested for two reasons:

Firstly, I don't think that the camera takes the picture. I don't know or care what aperture, lens or tripod I use and I have exactly zero interest in talking about it. It's boring.

Secondly, the chances of getting any useful feedback from the people on this thread, let alone anything objective, would be exactly nil. Yes, they don't like me. I get it. No, I couldn't care less and no, I'm not going to post up a load of my work so they can slag it off to try to get at me.

Sorry.

In reply to niggle:

so why bother posting on the thread at all?

In reply to Removed User:

Usually I don't.

If people want help with video editing and effects, or have questions about photoshop, I'm happy to help and often post at some length.

But this ridiculous willy-waving rubbish about who's got the most expensive lenses? I'm just not interested.

In reply to niggle:

But you are. You posted on the thread.

In reply to Removed User:

Touche, I guess.

In reply to niggle:

hee hee! And in fairness this one's mostly about how to sort out a vignetting problem, not about fancy lenses.

In reply to niggle:


I had to have a wee word with my son the other day about describing things he didn't like or understand as "boring".

He's 7.


Your chances of getting any feedback at all from me are exactly nil.

In reply to DougG:
Or if all that fails, what about another holder with a couple of the slots removed, just leaving enough for a polariser and one slot in filter.
I had to do that with the old 'cheapo' Cokin P holder to use a 35mmWA on 6x45.
Bluetack can be adapted to do all the above too!

In reply to dek:

That's definitely worth thinking about, cheers dek.

In reply to niggle:


You reap what you sow. You act they way you do and people don't like you.

mmmm, perhaps, its it because the way you act.

Change that, and people might start to like you.

Its a long shot, but maybe worth a go.

Or perhaps, you just enjoy being the way you are, even if most/many/all people on here don't seem to enjoy interacting with you.

In reply to ChrisJD:

Spotted this at the weekend:
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-lee-100mm-push-on-holder/p1010396

However, decided to go for the cheaper option of a new filter holder with just the one slot.

In reply to DougG:

For a £107, I'm not surprised you went for another option!

In reply to DougG:
I have a Canon 5d with the 17-40 lens, and use the Lee filter holder with 3 slots and a Heliopan 105 polariser (not sure if it might be thiner than the one you are using).
The wide angle adapter ring lets me use the polariser down to 20mm, wider than that and I get vignetting (keep meaning to take a slot off to see if it solves it). Without the polariser it is fine down to 17mm.

So a W/A adapter should solve your problem on the 24-105.
Guess I'm a bit late as you have gone for the push-on holder.

Once you start using a polariser wider than about 24mm you get un-even effects across the sky anyway.

BTW the 70-200L f4 lens is MUCH sharper than the 17-40L, but it is nice to have the ultra-wide angle!

In reply to stranter:

Thanks all the same.

And yes, polarizer on a wide angle lens isn't always a great idea anyway - learned that the hard way a couple of years ago!