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I did a search for previous topics on this, as I witnessed two lads doing it this Saturday, and nearly had kittens! I found http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=349560&v=1#x5122533, so they're not the first of course, but bloody hell, have they got bottle (or a screw loose).
We had just bimbled up Ledge Route (I am nursing an ankle injury), and were joining the tourists oggling the views when some guys came into view who were moving quickly around the Eastern Traverse. They flew up the chimney bit, and onto the tower. Then one seemed to make a very quick approach to the Gap, and I said to my mates 'hah, looks like he's just going to take a running jump eh, ho-ho'.
What he actually did was just step down onto the block and jumped in one move. I was speechless. Then his mate came along, and with a bit more contemplation, he did the same. I was convinced I was going to see a horrible accident as the two slower (and it was relative guys if you read this!) members approached. The first jumped, but kind of into the arms of the more confident leader, and then the last, a shorter lass, stepped it.
I was determined to speak to them, to either congratulate or bollock them, couldn't decide which! I met them at the top of Gardyloo, and they were young and obviously very confident, in the flush of youth the lucky b's.
Well, I bumped into them again in the pub, and got one's name so I can send some pics and hopefully a video. I will post on here if they come out OK, but my pal is still out walking for a few more days.
Anyway Chris and Co., well done you mad b's, but be bloody careful - You reminded me too much of my son, and I don't want him getting any ideas.....
We had just bimbled up Ledge Route (I am nursing an ankle injury), and were joining the tourists oggling the views when some guys came into view who were moving quickly around the Eastern Traverse. They flew up the chimney bit, and onto the tower. Then one seemed to make a very quick approach to the Gap, and I said to my mates 'hah, looks like he's just going to take a running jump eh, ho-ho'.
What he actually did was just step down onto the block and jumped in one move. I was speechless. Then his mate came along, and with a bit more contemplation, he did the same. I was convinced I was going to see a horrible accident as the two slower (and it was relative guys if you read this!) members approached. The first jumped, but kind of into the arms of the more confident leader, and then the last, a shorter lass, stepped it.
I was determined to speak to them, to either congratulate or bollock them, couldn't decide which! I met them at the top of Gardyloo, and they were young and obviously very confident, in the flush of youth the lucky b's.
Well, I bumped into them again in the pub, and got one's name so I can send some pics and hopefully a video. I will post on here if they come out OK, but my pal is still out walking for a few more days.
Anyway Chris and Co., well done you mad b's, but be bloody careful - You reminded me too much of my son, and I don't want him getting any ideas.....
In reply to JohnnyW:
One of my mates has jumped it in winter, he took a run up and leaped the whole thing...nutcase!
One of my mates has jumped it in winter, he took a run up and leaped the whole thing...nutcase!
In reply to anonymous:
In the vertical limit stylee I hope
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> One of my mates has jumped it in winter, he took a run up and leaped the whole thing...nutcase!
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> One of my mates has jumped it in winter, he took a run up and leaped the whole thing...nutcase!
In the vertical limit stylee I hope
In reply to JohnnyW:
Wasn't it Norrie who used to claim you didn't get the tick unless you jumped the gap? =P
I'd certainly never dare do it, I value my life too much.
Wasn't it Norrie who used to claim you didn't get the tick unless you jumped the gap? =P
I'd certainly never dare do it, I value my life too much.
In reply to JohnnyW: Tower Gap is more of a step than a jump. You should see some of the gaps jumped in Font!
In reply to Offwidth:
It's a downclimb and then back up to me, whatever they're doing in France! 2 barmpots don't make 1 sane bloke y'know......... ;0)
> (In reply to JohnnyW) Tower Gap is more of a step than a jump. You should see some of the gaps jumped in Font!
It's a downclimb and then back up to me, whatever they're doing in France! 2 barmpots don't make 1 sane bloke y'know......... ;0)
In reply to JohnnyW:
Why would you (how could you?) bollock them for doing something obviously within their comfort zone and that affected no-one else?
What a strange attitude.
> I was determined to speak to them, to either congratulate or bollock them,
Why would you (how could you?) bollock them for doing something obviously within their comfort zone and that affected no-one else?
What a strange attitude.
In reply to Fickalli:
Obviously either not read my whole post or understood the nuances of it, but never mind.
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Obviously either not read my whole post or understood the nuances of it, but never mind.
In reply to JohnnyW:
I guess my jumping there and back again in summer was more than doubly bad then. Completely pointless risk.
I guess my jumping there and back again in summer was more than doubly bad then. Completely pointless risk.
In reply to JohnnyW:
No, I read it all and was glad you didn't follow through on your 'bollocking' idea, in fact you seem to have gone the other way (a good thing).
I was merely commenting that it was a strange attitude to display, particularly in the context of the rest of what you wrote.
No offence intended but I do find it strange that you would even consider 'bollocking' people who have nothing to do with you and caused you (or anyone else) nor anyone else any harm, risk etc.
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> Obviously either not read my whole post or understood the nuances of it, but never mind.
No, I read it all and was glad you didn't follow through on your 'bollocking' idea, in fact you seem to have gone the other way (a good thing).
I was merely commenting that it was a strange attitude to display, particularly in the context of the rest of what you wrote.
No offence intended but I do find it strange that you would even consider 'bollocking' people who have nothing to do with you and caused you (or anyone else) nor anyone else any harm, risk etc.
In reply to Fickalli:
I see it more as a sad and common misconception rather than strange. Climbers with this sort of attitude towards risk probably shouldn't be climbing. They think their way is safe and another way is not, when in fact all climbing takes on unnecesary risk deliberately and skilled participants can carry off amazing feats and even bumblies like me can jump an exposed 2m gap.
I see it more as a sad and common misconception rather than strange. Climbers with this sort of attitude towards risk probably shouldn't be climbing. They think their way is safe and another way is not, when in fact all climbing takes on unnecesary risk deliberately and skilled participants can carry off amazing feats and even bumblies like me can jump an exposed 2m gap.
Has anyone done it on fire yet? Like this dude for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVXHOldtEuY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVXHOldtEuY&feature=player_embedded
In reply to JohnnyW:
Yeah, not bad. Watch this fella (esp. 1:15) and see how he jumps a rock gap!
http://tinyurl.com/gapjump
There's even a new bolting style for you to whitness if you stick with the clip!
Yeah, not bad. Watch this fella (esp. 1:15) and see how he jumps a rock gap!
http://tinyurl.com/gapjump
There's even a new bolting style for you to whitness if you stick with the clip!
> by - Fickalli ? on - 18:18 Mon
>No offence intended but I do find it strange that you would even consider >'bollocking' people who have nothing to do with you and caused you (or >anyone else) nor anyone else any harm, risk etc.
Appart from any (admittedly probably tiny) risk to Mountain Rescue or anyone else who had to scrape their bodies off the rack at the bottom should it have gone wrong. Im not one for bollocking people but a quite word in peoples ears doesent always go amiss shouldnt we be looking out for our fellow climbers?
> by - Offwidth ? on - 19:04 Mon
>>I see it more as a sad and common misconception rather than strange. >Climbers with this sort of attitude towards risk probably shouldn't be >climbing. They think their way is safe and another way is not, when in >fact all climbing takes on unnecesary risk deliberately and skilled >participants can carry off amazing feats and even bumblies like me can >jump an exposed 2m gap.
I think it all depends on how you perceive the risk and see the bigger picture. I climbed the route myself with the leader of the group a year or two before and he climbed the gap that time instead of jumping it which I think goes against the "They think their way is safe and another way is not" comment. He knew the gap and was happy to jump it, he would not have forced the others into the jump and almost definately gave them the option to climb it instead of jumping it. The guy who im guessing went second (assuming the leader was first not second) would have made the jump with enviable ease. The others were both experienced and made as we all have to on the mountains, our own decision knowing the options at their disposal, neither are taken to silly risks. They knew the options, assessed the risks and made their own decisions its not the safest way to do it but I dont think they were reckless. Id take any of them on the other end of my rope over a lot of people Ive seen climbing including some (indoor) instuctors.
In reply to Offwidth:
FFS - I give up with cyber-chat
I am 'sad'
I 'should give up climbing'
I have a misconception (that what I saw was more dangerous than doing it protected - patently incorrect, whatever one's opinion of it)
'THEY think' - that's me btw
I was writing in awe at their courage
I went to meet them to congratulate them on something I could never do
I met them again in the pub
I have their E Mail to swap piccies
I shook their hand
My problem is that I am a father of boys nearing a similar age, and I would still prefer them to not do such feats, certainly when I could see them.
Though this is and was NOT my point here, I could quote Mick Fowler on the question of whether some actions on the hill are 'unjustifiable', and he is much more qualified than I on such subjects.
Don't worry guys, I won't post again, lesson learned.
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> I see it more as a sad and common misconception rather than strange. Climbers with this sort of attitude towards risk probably shouldn't be climbing. They think their way is safe and another way is not, when in fact all climbing takes on unnecesary risk deliberately and skilled participants can carry off amazing feats and even bumblies like me can jump an exposed 2m gap.
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> I see it more as a sad and common misconception rather than strange. Climbers with this sort of attitude towards risk probably shouldn't be climbing. They think their way is safe and another way is not, when in fact all climbing takes on unnecesary risk deliberately and skilled participants can carry off amazing feats and even bumblies like me can jump an exposed 2m gap.
FFS - I give up with cyber-chat
I am 'sad'
I 'should give up climbing'
I have a misconception (that what I saw was more dangerous than doing it protected - patently incorrect, whatever one's opinion of it)
'THEY think' - that's me btw
I was writing in awe at their courage
I went to meet them to congratulate them on something I could never do
I met them again in the pub
I have their E Mail to swap piccies
I shook their hand
My problem is that I am a father of boys nearing a similar age, and I would still prefer them to not do such feats, certainly when I could see them.
Though this is and was NOT my point here, I could quote Mick Fowler on the question of whether some actions on the hill are 'unjustifiable', and he is much more qualified than I on such subjects.
Don't worry guys, I won't post again, lesson learned.
In reply to JohnnyW:
Just take it with a pinch of salt mate... most people understood the sentiment of your post, it's just the usual blox put out by some that feel they have the right to challenge - you know UKC by now.
Just take it with a pinch of salt mate... most people understood the sentiment of your post, it's just the usual blox put out by some that feel they have the right to challenge - you know UKC by now.
In reply to JohnnyW: Johnny, i too understood where you were coming from. I bet it was really a heart in mouth time to watch eh?
In reply to JohnnyW:
They guys themselves are happy about the post, what more could you ask for? Dont let people making rash comments get you down, they guy who upset you was, i think talking mostly about the guys who did it and hes wrong, simple as.
They guys themselves are happy about the post, what more could you ask for? Dont let people making rash comments get you down, they guy who upset you was, i think talking mostly about the guys who did it and hes wrong, simple as.
In reply to JohnnyW: Sounds like a few people have done it but are there any pics out there, i'd love to see one.
Also, while we're on the subject, there is an old photo in the back of 'on peak rock' of a bloke about to jump onto the pinnicle at black rocks, anyone out there had a go at this? I've had a look at it and it looks serious...
I'd like to see some of these young free running dudes have a go at that!
Leaps a good fun, i like 'um.
Also, while we're on the subject, there is an old photo in the back of 'on peak rock' of a bloke about to jump onto the pinnicle at black rocks, anyone out there had a go at this? I've had a look at it and it looks serious...
I'd like to see some of these young free running dudes have a go at that!
Leaps a good fun, i like 'um.
In reply to JohnnyW:
You shook my hand Johnny - and I have to say it was awesome and nice surprise to have such 'celebrity' status for ten minutes! You guys made my day! I love your writing style too - I am the one who jumped into the arms of the more confident leader... all sounds terribly romantic to me! hehe
Laura
You shook my hand Johnny - and I have to say it was awesome and nice surprise to have such 'celebrity' status for ten minutes! You guys made my day! I love your writing style too - I am the one who jumped into the arms of the more confident leader... all sounds terribly romantic to me! hehe
Laura
In reply to jimjimjim:
The Black Rocks jump onto Stonnis Pinnacle is far more serious. I'm guessing it was usually from the finish of Central Climb rather than the highboard option up and left. Some Czech tower jumps of course make even that jump look easy.
In reply to Bruce Hooker
I think its slightly less than 2m.
In reply to the cotton wool brigade:
This jump is not serious for people used to such things. Like any aspect of climbing some people take risks that are innappropriate for their level of experience and skill (and I'm not in any way condoning that sort of behaviour) but just because these folk were young it doesn't mean they didn't know what they were doing.
Such posts pop up regularly here questioning/lecturing others on a sliding scale of risk on topics from Himalayan climbing, down through scottish winter soloing, solos on rock, wearing helmets, use of locking crabs on belays ... and downwards to increasingly trivial safety gains. To me these posts ignore the importance of climbers making their own informed decisions and their suggestions can even increase risk (by for example distracting focus or slowing climbers down where speed is the key safety issue). These 'cotton wool' posters are entitled to their opinion but should expect to get some strident counter views on an open web forum for climbers.
The Black Rocks jump onto Stonnis Pinnacle is far more serious. I'm guessing it was usually from the finish of Central Climb rather than the highboard option up and left. Some Czech tower jumps of course make even that jump look easy.
In reply to Bruce Hooker
I think its slightly less than 2m.
In reply to the cotton wool brigade:
This jump is not serious for people used to such things. Like any aspect of climbing some people take risks that are innappropriate for their level of experience and skill (and I'm not in any way condoning that sort of behaviour) but just because these folk were young it doesn't mean they didn't know what they were doing.
Such posts pop up regularly here questioning/lecturing others on a sliding scale of risk on topics from Himalayan climbing, down through scottish winter soloing, solos on rock, wearing helmets, use of locking crabs on belays ... and downwards to increasingly trivial safety gains. To me these posts ignore the importance of climbers making their own informed decisions and their suggestions can even increase risk (by for example distracting focus or slowing climbers down where speed is the key safety issue). These 'cotton wool' posters are entitled to their opinion but should expect to get some strident counter views on an open web forum for climbers.
In reply to zep_babe:
No problems Laura, you were indeed 'celebrities' for a wee while. My pal took some video, so I will post the link to your mate who's E Mail I got.
I'm sure you fully understood where I was coming from when we met, unlike some of the respondents to this thread!
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> You shook my hand Johnny - and I have to say it was awesome and nice surprise to have such 'celebrity' status for ten minutes! You guys made my day! I love your writing style too - I am the one who jumped into the arms of the more confident leader... all sounds terribly romantic to me! hehe
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> Laura
> You shook my hand Johnny - and I have to say it was awesome and nice surprise to have such 'celebrity' status for ten minutes! You guys made my day! I love your writing style too - I am the one who jumped into the arms of the more confident leader... all sounds terribly romantic to me! hehe
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> Laura
No problems Laura, you were indeed 'celebrities' for a wee while. My pal took some video, so I will post the link to your mate who's E Mail I got.
I'm sure you fully understood where I was coming from when we met, unlike some of the respondents to this thread!
In reply to JohnnyW:
You have my humble apologies. I hadn't realised this was self parody: "What he actually did was just step down onto the block and jumped in one move. I was speechless. Then his mate came along, and with a bit more contemplation, he did the same. I was convinced I was going to see a horrible accident as the two slower (and it was relative guys if you read this!) members approached."
You have my humble apologies. I hadn't realised this was self parody: "What he actually did was just step down onto the block and jumped in one move. I was speechless. Then his mate came along, and with a bit more contemplation, he did the same. I was convinced I was going to see a horrible accident as the two slower (and it was relative guys if you read this!) members approached."
In reply to JohnnyW: Don't lose heart... I know what you mean when you said "give them a bollicking". I once watched a guy soloing Sloth in the peak district. I was sh*tting planks the whole time watching him but couldn't take my eyes off him. I felt like giving him a bollicking (and a handshake at the same time) for putting me through that...
However, if it had gone wrong I'm sure me and many others could have been mentally scarred for life!!!
Just my 2p
Euge
However, if it had gone wrong I'm sure me and many others could have been mentally scarred for life!!!
Just my 2p
Euge
In reply to Euge:
Putting you through what? Sloth is a comfortable and enjoyable solo for many climbers. All climbing is a dangerous activity so is it all climbing that makes you feel this way or are you saying this is just your natural reaction to this particlular risk (and that you realise is illogical but can't stop it anyway). I've seen several nasty accidents on top-ropes one of them nearly mentally scared me for life as the climber nearly hit my head when he fell past due to incompetant belaying.
Putting you through what? Sloth is a comfortable and enjoyable solo for many climbers. All climbing is a dangerous activity so is it all climbing that makes you feel this way or are you saying this is just your natural reaction to this particlular risk (and that you realise is illogical but can't stop it anyway). I've seen several nasty accidents on top-ropes one of them nearly mentally scared me for life as the climber nearly hit my head when he fell past due to incompetant belaying.
In reply to Offwidth:
Eh... oh, maybe I should have explained more.
He didn't do it smoothly...
Cheers
E
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> Putting you through what? Sloth is a comfortable and enjoyable solo for many climbers. All climbing is a dangerous activity so is it all climbing that makes you feel this way or are you saying this is just your natural reaction to this particlular risk (and that you realise is illogical but can't stop it anyway). I've seen several nasty accidents on top-ropes one of them nearly mentally scared me for life as the climber nearly hit my head when he fell past due to incompetant belaying.
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> Putting you through what? Sloth is a comfortable and enjoyable solo for many climbers. All climbing is a dangerous activity so is it all climbing that makes you feel this way or are you saying this is just your natural reaction to this particlular risk (and that you realise is illogical but can't stop it anyway). I've seen several nasty accidents on top-ropes one of them nearly mentally scared me for life as the climber nearly hit my head when he fell past due to incompetant belaying.
Eh... oh, maybe I should have explained more.
He didn't do it smoothly...
Cheers
E
In reply to JohnnyW:
Got to say I totally understand the half-urge to bollock folk - it's not serious, it's just a natural worry for folk's safety. Especially those with kids can't help imagining their kids doing the same and how they'd feel then. It's not true that someone's life is entirely their own decision, think of the folk they leave behind, never mind the folk that see it happen. I'm not saying folk mustn't take risks, I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but surely you can understand the momentary terror then exasperation when somebody does something seemingly suicidal and aces it. For the record, I'm damned if I'd jump it off rope - not because it's too hard to jump, but because of what would happen if I did mess up - it's a long way down!
Got to say I totally understand the half-urge to bollock folk - it's not serious, it's just a natural worry for folk's safety. Especially those with kids can't help imagining their kids doing the same and how they'd feel then. It's not true that someone's life is entirely their own decision, think of the folk they leave behind, never mind the folk that see it happen. I'm not saying folk mustn't take risks, I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but surely you can understand the momentary terror then exasperation when somebody does something seemingly suicidal and aces it. For the record, I'm damned if I'd jump it off rope - not because it's too hard to jump, but because of what would happen if I did mess up - it's a long way down!
In reply to JohnnyW: btw anyone got any more nutty jump videos? re: the MI2 one, is it me or do the shots consistently not match up?? Also, anyone knoe how faked was it?
In reply to arctic_hobo:
The thing that always gets me with that clip is how does he gets back down?
The thing that always gets me with that clip is how does he gets back down?
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