In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
> (In reply to Iain Thow)
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> Well thanks for all your comments. There's nothing there I disagree with. My underlying point is that, surely, we have to be rather ruthlessly honest with ourselves in 'evaluating' or 'counting up' what we've done. We all know, in our hearts, just how well or badly we may have done, on a particular day or in a particular year.
Quite so, however forgive me but you do appear to be implying, however obliquely, that those who count a 20ft bit of rock in the peak district as a route are if not deluding themselves certainly misguided, and should not be using the word "route" in that context.
Soloing 100 30ft routes in a day and leading one 3000ft route are both climbing, and both routes, but its obviously a different experience. Having done both, I'd say the former is more mentally knackering, not least because if you slip you're dead, but the latter more physically knackering, not least because you're carting all the metalwork up with you. Different strokes, different folks...
On the other hand, the person who climbs mountains may look down on the person who has led a 3,000ft rock route and say "call that a route, lad? that's not a route, THAT (points at distant snow-topped peak) is a route...."