In reply to winhill:
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> I think indoors is the worst place to start children, there is very little they can do usually, due to the spacing of the holds, reachy is an understatement. Depends on the wall and the size of the child, obviously.
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> Mine were far, far happier starting off scrambling about real rock.
Agree 100%. When little'uns climb, it's meant to be fun. They have a short attention span and need to be kept happy. Outdoors, where it's not "you are here, here is for climbing, you must climb" is far better. The first time I took T, we went to Windgather. He did 2 routes, then I said "that's it, enough for now" and we had a picnic. He then wanted to climb again, but again, I said no, and we flew kites from the top. Finally we did go back and climb more, and his interest was maintained.
I also take him scrambling. To him this is "fun scrambly bits" with which he associates days out and climbing. He loves mountains because of this now. And of course to a small person, even grade 1 scrambles are a climbing challenge (especially when he has rope and helmet on!)
Indoors, I know he'd feel trapped, feel that he had to do a certain thing, with no opportunity to do sthg else for a while. Of course, other peoples' kids may be different.