In reply to Removed User:
> AVG
> Norton
> Mcaffee
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> All 3 of them are worse than viruses themselves in the amount of resources they consume and their persistance in lingering even after removal. Plus they suck at the only thing they need to do, detect bad stuff.
Sorry but that is nonsense. Any of them operating on a clean machine will have no problems. When people have them on machines which are riddled with crap, and the general condition of the PC is crap then yes it is going to be hard to remove, particularly when conflicting software and different versions have been installed over each other. The Windows winsock stack is pretty brittle. None of those applications suck - the price of them do maybe - but the detection on all of them is very good if you have a clean machine and keep everything up to date. The only failing is root kit related infections which are becoming more and more sophisticated, but that is not the fault of the virus removing applications and the only way they can be come efficient rootkit removers are to become rootkits themselves, and that is a technical and legal mindfield.