In reply to Stanhope:
People whinging about routesetting.
Routes are the key to a good wall, and good walls will find the right balance of setting. Don't moan when setting causes area closures, because you'd only be moaning when you're bored of old routes. It has to happen, and given that a good reset is going to take the best part of the day, not a chance will you find many night shift routesetters, or any better times for them to set. Accept that there's setting happening, it is noisy, it will cause closures but you will appreciate a fresh set of routes afterwards.
Grades. Bloody hell this grinds my gears. Just cos a route is graded wrong, doesn't mean it's a crap route. Just because you're a wad and onsighted that route doesn't give you the right to deem it the wrong grade. And just because it's reachy doesn't mean it's the wrong grade, it's just set reachy, which I accept is bad setting.
Feed it back to the walls, don't say the grades are off , and that's it, give some actual feedback on the route. Let the wall know if the setter has done a good job, not just if the grades are a bit off.
Stop bloody downgrading stuff just because you think you're mr experience. Someone could've had a massive confidence boost, then you pee on their fire by having the wall downgrade their first 6c. 6a not a 6a cos you got a bit scared and couldn't finish it? Maybe you're just not the 6a climber you once were.
Climb, enjoy the routes, and give worthwhile feedback.
End of rant, for now.