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Environmental goals reduced after Brexit to favour growth?

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 Timmd 22 Apr 2017

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-government-to-scale-down-c...

It appears that economic growth will be given priority over environmental concerns following a Brexit from the EU.*


*Anything which was suggested along these lines before votes were cast was termed 'Project Fear' last year. Perhaps we should vote Lib Dems if you don't want this to happen?

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In reply to Timmd:

No surprise that Theresa May would want to repeal some animal welfare laws. She's probably getting measured up for a new coat.
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OP Timmd 22 Apr 2017
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Bah humbug. When 'Project fear' turns out to be reality it's enough to make you cross.
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 Big Ger 23 Apr 2017
In reply to Timmd:

I'd be interested to know what is meant by "Some economic security-related work like climate change and illegal wildlife trade will be scaled down."
 wintertree 23 Apr 2017
In reply to Timmd:

> It appears that economic growth will be given priority over environmental concerns

Economic growth already has that priority - and has is by a large margin. The balance might shift further in its favour however.
 nathan79 23 Apr 2017
In reply to Timmd:

Sadly no surprise. My biggest fears around Brexit were mostly related to the environment and it's never nice to find your fears justified.
 Yanis Nayu 23 Apr 2017
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"In 1837 and 1838 there were typhoid epidemics in the major cities. Chadwick was appointed by the government to start an enquiry into the sanitation of the UK’s major cities. In 1842 Chadwick, assisted by Dr. Thomas Southwood Smith, published his landmark report, ‘The Sanitary Conditions of the Labouring Population’. The report stated that there was an urgent need to improve the living conditions of the poor and that the lack of public health was directly related to the lifestyles endured by the poor. Chadwick also noted that the labouring class could not labour as well as it could in an expanding industrial economy because of their poverty and poor health. Therefore it was argued that the improved health of the poor would directly benefit the nation as a whole. When his findings in the report were read out in the House of Commons, it is said that MP’s listened in “astonishment, dismay, horror and even incredulity".

However, the improvements suggested by the report had one major weakness – their cost and this brought Chadwick into conflict with many highly influential people who were not keen to pay out money to help the poor. Chadwick’s report targeted the UK’s industrial cities and the number of people this involved ran into the hundreds of thousands. The Conservative government of 1842 effectively rejected Chadwick’s report and this remained the case until 1847 when a Liberal government under Lord John Russell took power. Russell was a lot more sympathetic to the report and in 1848 a Public Health Act was passed.

Chadwick was appointed Sanitation Commissioner and a new Central Board of Health was created with the powers to clean the streets and improve both the water and sanitation systems. Chadwick had many ideas on how he could improve the lifestyle of the poor but his priorities were a constant supply of fresh and clean water, toilets in homes and a sewage system that would carry sewage from the cities out to rural areas where it could be treated. One of his innovations was the use of glazed earthenware pipes for sewage, which reduced the possibility of contamination of drinking water. Shallow drinking wells were abolished and replaced by a mains water supply.

But the key issue was always the same – who would pay for such reforms? Landlords who would have been responsible for improvements to the homes they owned were against the reforms. Many of them had influence over MP’s who sat in the House of Commons. Many members in the House of Lords (who then could override any decision made by the Commons) were landlords themselves or had family members who were. Chadwick found that he had little support in Parliament and while on paper his reforms were good for the country as a whole, he found that Parliament did not agree. However, it may simply be the case that Chadwick was the problem and not his projected reforms. Chadwick had his own way of making his case and it was this that seemed to put people off him and therefore his reforms. Chadwick wanted things done as he wanted them done leaving little room for manoeuvre."

Not much changes, eh?





OP Timmd 23 Apr 2017
In reply to Big Ger:
> I'd be interested to know what is meant by "Some economic security-related work like climate change and illegal wildlife trade will be scaled down."

For the fuller quote: “Trade and growth are now priorities for all posts – you will all need to prioritise developing capability in this area. Some economic security-related work like climate change and illegal wildlife trade will be scaled down.”

It's a good question. With them saying 'Some' economic security related work, rather than all, my guess would be that the perception of the person being quoted, is that there's economically more to be gained by focusing on growth and trade, than may be risked in scaling down work relating to climate change and the illegal wildlife trade, to allow for more flexibility to develop growth and trade. That they're 2 areas (in the opinion of the person quoted) which could be scaled down to benefit growth and trade in a more general sense (given the position the UK will find itself in on leaving the single market), that increasing growth and trade will outweigh any scaling down.

Economic security and climate change/environmental 'wellness' are certainly interlinked.
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 MargieB 23 Apr 2017
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Green industries are a growth area. Voting for a party withh a green agenda is voting for growth. Conservatives can't see this.
 neilh 23 Apr 2017
In reply to MargieB:
Try telling that to the Co-operative Bank
In reply to MargieB:

Agreed. The idea that economic growth is opposed to environmental concerns is a poor economic/business model.
 Toerag 23 Apr 2017
In reply to MargieB:

> Green industries are a growth area. Voting for a party withh a green agenda is voting for growth. Conservatives can't see this.

Agreed when it comes to renewable energy and green technology, but the reality is that someone will want to build a new factory on a greenfield site and it will get the go ahead because continuing the bonkers notion that we can grow the economy forever will take precedence over ensuring the environmental balance of the area is kept healthy . Once something is concreted over it's never going to be the same again.

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