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When you are dying of cancer, or in need of urgent medical assistance, what will you do when there is no NHS, only a bill for you to pay?

Sell your house?

Ensure you have insurance to pay the cost?

(To the younger generation)

What about when you are 65 or older, do you still think that insurance will be affordable???

Maybe you none of you on here have ever used the NHS, therefore are happy to see it privatised, incentivised, robbed.

In reply to The Ice Doctor:


You are a cheery soul, aren't you?

In reply to The Ice Doctor:


How do people in countries where there is no NHS manage?

In reply to The Ice Doctor:


Wish you spent a bit more on tax through your lifetime and a little less on material things?

In reply to Big Ger:

Well I'm guessing the poor ones, without medical insurance kind of die?

In reply to Big Ger:

How do people in countries where there is no NHS manage?

They swap a good working organ such as a kidney for the cancer treatment.

In reply to JMarkW:


Don't most countries, I mean civilised ones, not the USA, have some means of providing for the poor?

Or does the scenario play out your way in all insurance based countries?

In reply to FactorXXX:

Belgian people are flogging their kidneys to get health care?!?!? Whatever next....

In reply to Big Ger:


They quite often don't

In reply to The Ice Doctor:


To save everyone the trouble of looking up the first line of the OP's profile.

"Unless you are going to be positive, sometimes it better not to say anything at all"

Do you seriously believe this bile you're posting daily? Given the prevailing antipathy to the Tories on this forum are the dislikes still not telling you anything?

In reply to The Ice Doctor:
In the US people ALWAYS get treated. Even undocumented immigrants.

Sadly not enough people believe that so my wife's seen some incredible curable conditions at an almost incurable stage.

Typically in the US cancer pre Obamacare meant bankruptcy. Even joe Biden discussed selling his family home to pay for beaus treatment.

The system was so incredibly broken pre Obamacare. There are still issues but it's far better now.

In reply to Big Ger:

Haha fair enough I was thinking about the USA!! Hmm civilised ones? Yeah maybe!! ????

In reply to Big Ger:


Many don't

In reply to The Ice Doctor:

I think starting their own crystal meth business is one of the recommended solutions

In reply to The Ice Doctor:

The same way the populations of all the rest of the worlds most advanced nations do I guess. Some combination of private insurance and state assistance I'd assume.

A better question might be, why don't all those rich, advanced countries across the world plagued by these supposed nightmarish healthcare provisions swap their systems for some sort of NHS system like ours?

In reply to BnB:

Why should anybody take notice of dislikes, if the people disliking won't bother to engage and post their reasoning?

Edit: Like this dislike that's just appeared, obviously they *don't like* what I've posted, but it's not clear why, so it's not worth thinking about it. It might as well be the *Negative thought* button, or *grumble mutter* button?

My viewpoint has just radically changed thanks to this dislike.

In reply to Timmd:

Have a "Like"

In reply to BnB:


did you click on dislike by accident?

In reply to Big Ger:


Pretty well in some of them. This comparison figure is worth a look - annual budget on the left, life expectancy in the right.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system#/media/File%3AHealth_systems_...

Summary and take home messages -

1) The NHS delivers comparable bang for buck as most first world comparator nations, but has less funding than most of them and as such has less achievements. We should fund the NHS more.

2) The USA's system is a hideously expensive under achieving disaster. Any attempt to Americanise the NHS should be strongly resisted.

3) Japan has apparently got an amazingly efficient health care system - which may partially result from lifestyle differences (any experts to chime in?). It seems entirely reasonable to expect more from the NHS for its funding level however see 2 above before blindly stumbling down the wrong path.

To over generalise, my problem with the state of this debate in the UK is that we have two diametrically opposed camps who are both wrong. One rabidly pushes the NHS as the best world leading health system and the other wants to make it better by being more American.

Let's have a rational, evidence based plan to gradually improve the NHS and the nations health (action on which may or may not be led by the NHS, with Cuba presenting a viable model for a proactive health service based approach to lifestyle driven public health increases.)

In reply to Lord_ash2000:


America and the developed countries in SE Asia are the only places that don't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care#...

In reply to wintertree:
The USA's system is a hideously expensive under achieving disaster. Any attempt to Americanise the NHS should be strongly resisted.3) Japan has apparently got an amazingly efficient health care system - which may partially result from lifestyle differences (any experts to chime in?).

To over generalise, my problem with the state of this debate in the UK is that we have two diametrically opposed camps who are both wrong. One rabidly pushes the NHS as the best world leading health system and the other wants to make it better by being more American. Let's have a rational, evidence based plan to gradually improve the NHS and the nations health (action on which may or may not be led by the NHS, with Cuba presenting a viable model for a proactive health service based approach to lifestyle driven public health increases.)

You are so right about the American system being hideously expensive and god help you if you are poor. Health outcomes for the poor are third world there. Unfortunately we seem to be heading the same way.

In reply to Big Ger:

How do people in countries where there is no NHS manage?

Irrellevant- We are not in those countries.

In reply to BnB:
Is it bile? Do you value the NHS. Do you?

Perhaps this sums up the UK.

youtube.com/watch?v=RJ4zteI5YpM&

When you are old and need medical care, will the NHS be there for you? Perhaps you will have insurance, many people won't have private health insurance, perhaps they won't even have a pension.

In reply to Root1:
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That's not so. Barely anyone has proposed moving to the American model. What has happened is that the first camp characterises any move away from a State funded and State provided system as a move to an American model. It isn't. Health systems all over Europe and Asia have various models of mixed funding and mixed provision.

In reply to The Ice Doctor:



Now who said, and I quote;



Are you in a country with no NHS?

In reply to The Ice Doctor:



Maybe an asteroid will wipe us all out before that! Maybe Donald Trump will create world peace! Maybe my aunt's testicles will drop!!