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outward force of nuts

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 timparkin 21 Aug 2024

There's some chat on the How Not 2 forum about working out the outward force of cams and nuts. I found a reasonable paper discussing the industrial use of wedges and used the formula to write some code to work out the force of a typical 20 degree nut if you also include the friction between the nut and the rock. 

[nut/wedge equations figure]

I found some values of friction coefficients for Aluminium and granite (somewhere in the range 0.38 to 0.5

The force multiplier (outward force / downward force) worked out to be somewhere in the region of 1.1x to 1.25x. Even if we used a slippy 0.3 for the friction coefficient, the outward force was only about 1.4x.

I also worked out a force multiplier for cams against camming angle. For the commonly used 13.75 the outward force was approximately 4x. 

[cam multiplier figure]

So if you're looking at a flake attached on one edge, getting a small nut as close to the pivot point as possible is substantially better than a cam - possibly 8x less force!

Also, a bigger nut acting more like a piton (i.e. a sharp constriction, a bit like a cam acting as a nut, which greatly increases the equivalent friction coefficient) can reduce the outward force down to 0.5x or less.

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 Andy Hardy 21 Aug 2024
In reply to timparkin:

Peter Harding did a great article on this for the 1996 CC journal 

https://ccjournals.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/1996%20Journal_web.pdf

page 66

OP timparkin 21 Aug 2024
In reply to Andy Hardy:

> Peter Harding did a great article on this for the 1996 CC journal 

> page 66

A nice article, thanks for sharing, but it skips the friction effects on the nut placement, which acts to reduce the outward force substantially.

p.s. I wish there were more journals about climbing like this - I found some of the other articles quite entertaining!

 spenser 21 Aug 2024
In reply to timparkin:

I am pretty sure the Alpine Club, Fell and Rock and Scottish Mountaineering Club have their own journals which should not be dissimilar.

 spenser 21 Aug 2024
In reply to timparkin:

I am pretty sure the Alpine Club, Fell and Rock and Scottish Mountaineering Club have their own journals which should not be dissimilar.

 Mike-W-99 21 Aug 2024
In reply to timparkin:

> p.s. I wish there were more journals about climbing like this - I found some of the other articles quite entertaining!

Here you go, some light bedtime reading. https://www.smc.org.uk/journal/downloads

OP timparkin 21 Aug 2024
In reply to Mike-W-99:

> Here you go, some light bedtime reading. https://www.smc.org.uk/journal/downloads

Having read a few of those (and the route news) I found the wonderfully names "The Moral Consequences of Limpet Genocide VS 4c" in Ardnamurchan. I shall have to climb just to have it in my tick list!


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