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 gammarus 08 Nov 2024

I have a couple of unwanted down-filled duvets. Can the down be recycled into  jackets or sleeping bags?

 Mr Fuller 09 Nov 2024
In reply to gammarus:

Yes it can. Please see the postage address halfway down the page here:  https://www.mountain-equipment.com/pages/down-cycle-history

We’ll gladly take it off your hands, will recycle the down and give the fabrics to the rag trade.  

Thanks

Matt @ ME

 johnlc 10 Nov 2024
In reply to Mr Fuller:

A concern that I have always had is that even though the recycled down has been nicely washed and graded, it is nonetheless old.  Does it have a natural lifespan?  Would a recycled down garment last as long as an equivalent new down garment? Would the lofting ability of the recycled down degrade faster than if the down was new?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

 Frank R. 10 Nov 2024
In reply to johnlc:

Just to add, AFAIK Mr. Fuller is a Doctor of Philosophy in the field of technical down use if they are who I think they are just from their nick – them having published a few very technical articles on down insulation used in outdoor textiles including some stringent lab tests, and some of their theses have been most informative to me. A pretty knowledgeable expert, I'd say.

 Dan Arkle 10 Nov 2024
In reply to johnlc:

From the ME website

"Only a small percentage of the very highest quality and fill power recycled down makes its way into our products, the remainder is used for domestic bedding etc" .

 Forester3 10 Nov 2024
In reply to gammarus: Alpkit also accept old down filled items for recycling. I dropped off a down filled sleeping mat (a couple of the baffles had blown) at their store in Ambleside 6 - 7 months ago.

 johnlc 11 Nov 2024
In reply to Frank R.:

Hi, yes I think you are right about Mr Fuller's expertise.  That is why I expect he will be able to answer my question.

 Mr Fuller 11 Nov 2024
In reply to johnlc:

Good question, and one with no easy answer (and following Frank R's introduction I hope this one lives up to expectations!)

We don't know a great deal about how down degrades or what impacts its lifespan. There are a few absolute no-nos, like leaving down soaking wet for weeks on end or getting it covered in strong base, but in general use we aren't really sure how it degrades beyond 'it eventually breaks down'. If anyone reading wants to do a PhD this would be a very good one.

When down is recycled it undergoes a similar sorting process to natural down and, as linked to above, we only use the best stuff. The washing/sterilising/drying/sorting process is pretty aggressive, far more aggressive than any other process the down will undergo in its lifespan, and if the down survives that intact then I am inclined to think that the recycled down will be durable for a fair while longer. You could consider this a bit like proof testing a karabiner. The 'best' material that we receive looks just like virgin down: it is large clusters with few fibres missing and those fibres are largely not fibrillated or damaged. What's happening on the inside of those fibres? Is the inside where the damage shows? I don't know, and without a couple of electron microscopes it isn't possible to find out.

The down in recycled down could be of any age. It could be from a hotel pillow that is changed every year regardless of use; it could be from a sleeping bag that was brand new but got melted beyond repair on a stove (we see this occasionally); or it could be from an aristocrat's down duvet that has been used for a hundred years. Just because it is recycled doesn't necessarily mean it's particularly old/used.

Recycled down isn't as high performance as the very best virgin down so we don't use it in our highest performing products, but for 99% of people it provides all the performance that they are likely to need. For most down products the reason they stop being used is not the down itself: it's usually zip failures, fabric tears, lack of washing, no longer meeting requirements, etc.. We've been using recycled down for over six years and in that time we haven't, to my knowledge, had a single returned garment/sleeping bag because the down 'wore out' or didn't loft as expected.

In short, we don't know for definite regarding recycled down's lifespan, but it certainly isn't the limiting factor in the useful lifespan of most products.

Matt @ ME

 johnlc 12 Nov 2024
In reply to Mr Fuller:

Thanks very much indeed!  I have always had misgivings about recycled down but you have greatly reassured me.

 Siward 12 Nov 2024
In reply to johnlc:

Can you upcycle down? (see what I did there 😂)

I've already got my coat...


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