In reply to jezb1:
I think anything used for climbing that has a hood needs the hood to be stowable when down so that it doesn't end up as a wind sock (I live on the east coast of Scotland...) AND it needs to fit over a helmet. I note that the Montane Tenacity is available in a hoodless version so full credit there!
And another vote for the forearm test, who wants to jam into a crack using fabric? Quick way to make life harder for yourself and wreck the sleeves in the process!
Post edited at 12:13