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...didn't die in an abseiling accident. He was siezed by aliens and only recently returned home, still the same age and with no memory of his time away. Since his return, Tom has won the final of Dale Winton's " Supermarket Sweep ". His prize, a two minute trolly dash in Tiso's Outdoor Adventure store.
What would Tom put in his trolly? What would he think of the gear available now? and what would he make of the latest routes now that he's fully armed with his new " gear "

12 weeks tae winter! Bring it oan!!!!!

In reply to Lobby Dosser: don't be so fu**ing stupid! Tom Patey is a Climbing legend for what he has achieved, on putting up so many quality summer and winter routes in Scotland. He pushed himself to the max with the gear he had available to him at the time, gear which many of todays climbers would be scared senseless of using!!! Unfortunatley he died while climbing, which was a great loss for Scottish climbing. Don't tarnish his memory by posting stupid posts like this! His wife is still alive and what would she think if she read this?

In reply to Anonymous:

i think lobby assumed people would read "just suppose" before the quote hence the '...' bit. if this is a seriuos attempt at linking a great climbers attitudes of the past e.g. bold and necky with modern pro e.g. a lot better than at his disposal at the time, it has some merit.

In reply to Lobby Dosser: OK Tom was a great pioneer of climbing and was also a Surgeon Lieutenant in the RN. I'm sure Chris Bonnington remembers him well.

In reply to Dave Stelmach: gimp

In reply to Anonymous: Can I have that in English with a name please?

In reply to Dave Stelmach:

Hope this is of some help..

1.gimp n. A limp or a limping gait, or A person who limps.

2. gimp n. A narrow flat braid or rounded cord of fabric used for trimming. Also called guimpe, guipure

3.gimp v. t. To notch; to indent; to jag.

Not sure which of those was meant though.

In reply to Anonymous:

Right on! Tom was a climbing hero and his comic writings are among the very best of climbing lore. Beats that wordy poser Perrin hands down, but that's another story. I agree with you absolutely that Lobby is a complete tosser!

In reply to TOmPfan & the rest: F*ck off, Lobby Dosser is making a statement about modern gear and modern attitudes, ie its all pish grades this, money & sponsorship that. However, dont fool yourselves, the old legends like Tom Patey were NOT perfect, but they had the RIGHT attitude.

In reply to EB:

I think he'd get himself a very large crash mat

In reply to Dave Dilbert:

I heard he was a drugged up jobby jabber anyway, so who gives a toss.

In reply to Anonymous: Unlike you ya wee fanny his wife would probably not miss the point and think this was probably quite funny.
Like most climbers interested in the development of Scottish climbing I am well aware of Tom Patey and the part he played in this sport. I have repeated many of his climbs and read much of his writing and formed the opinion that, unlike you, he had a sense of humour.
Now, going back to the original point, don't you think it would be an interesting concept/topic if someone as obviously talanted and feerless as TP was able to avail himself of the equipment available today, what would he be capable of? What would he think? Would he be interested or would he say "Naw it's aw richt, I'll jist keep ma old tricounis and ma hairy jumper"

To anybody else out there I apologise for the abuse at the start of this reply, however it makes me feel better!

In reply to Lobby Dosser:

>I must say I think your critics deserve some kind of award. I don’t think I’ve ever seen quite such a sense of humour failure, even on Rocktalk.

The answer to your question – well, I don’t know. With most pioneers you’d be inclined to think they’d grab the latest kit and push the cutting edge just as they did in their own day. TP – I’m not so sure. I don’t know that he used the cutting edge kit even of his own day. I like to think he was an adventurer who had little interest in pushing the standards for its own sake and would have preferred to stick with his tricounis. But I expect I’m wrong. As a rule you don’t get to achieve what TP did without a strong competitive streak.

Changing the subject slightly, is there a good biography of the Great Man? There really ought to be. As some people have hinted, probably a more fallible and hence interesting character than his standard hero persona (like most heroes, I dare say).

In reply to Lobby Dosser: No Tom Patey wasnt a stupid fuc*ing wegee like you seem to be!!! Not everbody in Scotland talks like the great unwashed from Glasgow!!! Get a life and post something decent you sLobby Tosser!

In reply to Anonymous: Looks like I've hit a raw nerve there wee man! I'm sure that if you talk to your guidence teacher or your mum they'll make it all better for you.

Really, there's nothing to be afraid of from the people of Glasgow, it really is "smiles better"

In reply to Lobby Dosser: Lobby pal, hes scared ah "wegees" no weegies,
obviously the haar huz frozen his wan brain cell

In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
One Man's Mountain's is TP's book. Gives accounts of some of the classics, as well as some of his songs and stuff at the back. Look out for the section on 'climbing terms', which shows his comic genius.

In reply to fin:

I know, thanks. I have that. But a proper biography would be good too.

So you think you know old tom's wife well? you f*cking tw*t. And you've done many of his climbs? Suggest you get that fat arse of your on the crab crawl...be careful not to fall!

In reply to Lobby Dosser:

Dear Lobby Dosser

I think he may say “I see that young Andy has done a few of my routes up north, but seriously, have you heard this new song?” or “Have you heard this story?”.

Norrie

In reply to Dave Dilbert: Crab Crawl? aye, Bothwell street glesga, Grade - Death, 9 and itchy bawsack

In reply to Lobby Dosser:

What a wasted thread... Some people really don't get life (or have one).

I was really looking forward to reading about some TP routes and how they've been regraded (or not) with the advent of modern gear.

I know nowt about TP (and no bio I gather... rats).

Instead mudslinging... Ho hum!

In reply to Dave Dilbert: well she just lives round the road from me in Aberdeen, and she seems like a very pleasant woman when you pass her in the street, so you my friend can Fu*k right off, tw*t!

In reply to Lobby Dosser:
Aye, Tom would probably still be mostly into exploring the more esoteric lines in out the way Glens. I met him once as wee boy when watching a slide show at Tigh Dearg in Glencoe. Dont know his wife, but do know his daughter - nice lass and doesn't climb. Not sure where this thread is going, but certainly think that his was such a colourful and comlicated character, that a proper biography would be both interesting and surprising. I doubt he would think much of modern climbing culture, as the "culture" bit is getting lost among the drive for fame and recognition that is a general thing at the higher end. The grass roots real "culture" is alive and well and can be seen on Ranoch wall and the Kingy bar most decent weekends thankfully.

Davy Gunn

In reply to Davy Gunn:

well said. I think most the 'peak' folk who frequent this site could learn a thing or two from you.

But please don't suggest that they come up to Scotland, the solitude's nice up here.

In reply to Lobby Dosser: Can you imagine the climbing team TP would have made with present day Mick Fowler. I read somewhere that he had a "little Black Book" where he wrote down some of his ideas for unclimbed lines in Scotland and the Alps. Now that would make an entertaining present day read. It would be interesting to see which ones had been climbed and their grades. Do you think "Fast and Furious" would be in there?









I think not.

In reply to Lobby Dosser:

Foolish posts like this one are more than capable of upsetting people even when no harm is obviously intended. Regardless of the "just suppose" joking about dead climbers is obviously going to be quite upsetting to certain people. I know this having read a post regarding my dead mate a few months ago. That really upset me despite the fact that the people responsible were obviously only having a laugh.
Think before you type.

Dave

In reply to Dave: well said Dave!