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Rockfax Description
A classic of the crag. Pull onto the wall and trend leftwards before making a move right to the base of a vague groove. Climb the groove to reach a rounded break and then perform the mother of all rockovers to attain a standing position in the break. Tiptoe right and finish up a flake. © Rockfax

FA Stuart Cathcart, P.Waters, D.Barker 9.83 Sep/1983

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captain.crimp 23 Apr Show βeta
βeta: Romper up to the crux, fell off. Couldn’t work the sequence out. Too hot and too sweaty!
βeta?
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βeta: Romper up to the crux, fell off. Couldn’t work the sequence out. Too hot and too sweaty!
Mike Raine 24 Aug, 2006 Show βeta
βeta: Superb rock. A great E2 spoilt by a desperate move, felt impossible for me at 6'3", must be harder for the tall!
βeta?
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βeta: Superb rock. A great E2 spoilt by a desperate move, felt impossible for me at 6'3", must be harder for the tall!
harold walmsley 24 Oct, 2005 Show βeta
βeta: 3 stars in my book
βeta?
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βeta: 3 stars in my book
doylo 20 Mar, 2005 Show βeta
βeta: French 7a really,the bit after the mantel is easy. Awesome.
βeta?
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βeta: French 7a really,the bit after the mantel is easy. Awesome.
Ian Patterson 15 Mar, 2005 Show βeta
βeta: Definitely the mid-grade route of the crag. Feels 7a in many ways though the fiddly little wires for the last section maybe make it E4. The mantleshelf comment might count as reverse-beta and make it harder to onsight!
βeta?
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βeta: Definitely the mid-grade route of the crag. Feels 7a in many ways though the fiddly little wires for the last section maybe make it E4. The mantleshelf comment might count as reverse-beta and make it harder to onsight!
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AlexMorris 18 Jul Lead rpt Great end to a fantastic day at the crag :)
with James C
Great end to a fantastic day at the crag :)
with James C
Hidden 10 Jul 2nd dnf
dom94 10 Jul Lead G/U Pretty much an onsight, was at the chains thinking about climbing them, when a foot slipped and I grabbed them out of fear. Climbed it again to satisfy myself.
Pretty much an onsight, was at the chains thinking about climbing them, when a foot slipped and I grabbed them out of fear. Climbed it again to satisfy myself.
Max Lowry 30 Jun Lead O/S
innes 30 Jun Lead
with Ruth
with Ruth
Hidden 28 Jun Lead rpt
Hidden 22 Jun Lead
Glynbob 20 Jun Lead RP
tmawer 1 Jun Lead RP Cool moves at the top.
Cool moves at the top.
BTphonehome 1 Jun 2nd dnf
with tmawer
with tmawer
Hidden 22 May Lead RP
jon_gill1 12 May Lead dog Tried this twice again today but still couldn’t commit fully to the Rock over move with it clipped in!
with Steve (Luca’s friend), Gianluca
Tried this twice again today but still couldn’t commit fully to the Rock over move with it clipped in!
with Steve (Luca’s friend), Gianluca
Hidden 12 May Lead RP
ohyeahhh 12 May Lead dnf Steady till the Rockover, couldn’t work it due to ankle swelling up, one to get back on but the high foot Helen did will be tough, foothold is up by my right tit.
with TayTay
Steady till the Rockover, couldn’t work it due to ankle swelling up, one to get back on but the high foot Helen did will be tough, foothold is up by my right tit.
with TayTay
GLO 12 May Lead dog
Rob Kelly 12 May Lead RP 2nd go after working out the rockover. Tempted to take this as my first 8a, at least that's how hard it felt to me. Thank God I don't have to climb that again.
with Ollie G
2nd go after working out the rockover. Tempted to take this as my first 8a, at least that's how hard it felt to me. Thank God I don't have to climb that again.
with Ollie G
Theo Moore - UKC and UKH 11 May Lead RP
with Anna G
with Anna G
Hidden 11 May Lead RP
Hidden 6 May Lead RP
Duma Brickhill 5 May Lead β
Rocky 5 May TR dog Found the rockover on this a complete show stopped. I just couldn't work it out at all!! On Sunday some guys pointed out a thumb catch for the left hand which apparently helps. Keen for a further exploration at some point soon!!
with Rhos Frugtniet, Elysie, Ollie, Duma Brickhill, Ro
Found the rockover on this a complete show stopped. I just couldn't work it out at all!! On Sunday some guys pointed out a thumb catch for the left hand which apparently helps. Keen for a further exploration at some point soon!!
with Rhos Frugtniet, Elysie, Ollie, Duma Brickhill, Ro
rhoslynfrugtniet 4 May Lead O/S
with Michelle
with Michelle
adamre12 2 May Lead RP
brittsaurusrex 2 May 2nd
Kitty27 29 Apr Lead RP
with Mike W
with Mike W
Hidden 19 Apr Lead dnf
AndrewRoberts89 13 Apr Lead RP Noice!
Noice!
Sophie Nunn 13 Apr Lead rpt
with Luke D
with Luke D
Nafclimbsrocks 10 Apr Lead dnf Couldn’t figure out the monster rock over move. Did all the other moves fine.
Couldn’t figure out the monster rock over move. Did all the other moves fine.
felixwilkins 7 Apr Lead β
mattbaz 6 Apr 2nd rpt
with Hugh G, EmFairbanks
with Hugh G, EmFairbanks
EmFairbanks 6 Apr TR dnf
with mattbaz
with mattbaz
Hidden 6 Apr Lead RP
james.slater 31 Mar Lead RP 1st rp. Fell off the rockover first time round! Brilliant route
with mkbk93
1st rp. Fell off the rockover first time round! Brilliant route
with mkbk93
mkbk93 31 Mar Lead dog
vonbon 26 Mar Lead RP
Matt Harle 24 Feb Lead O/S
Si Witcher 28 Oct, 2018 Lead rpt
with Aggie T
with Aggie T
islandlynx 21 Oct, 2018 Lead dnf
Luke Owens 21 Oct, 2018 Lead RP
pablosordo 21 Oct, 2018 Lead β
Aeron Thomas 14 Oct, 2018 Lead RP
with James 1
with James 1
Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing 9 Sep, 2018 Lead rpt Had a minor (major) panic when I thought I was going to fall off this, mostly because I'd onsighted it many, MANY years before. Thankfully I pulled it together
Had a minor (major) panic when I thought I was going to fall off this, mostly because I'd onsighted it many, MANY years before. Thankfully I pulled it together
penny.orr 9 Sep, 2018 Lead RP Again, should have flashed this. 2nd go.
Again, should have flashed this. 2nd go.
penny.orr 9 Sep, 2018 Lead RP Again, should have flashed this. 2nd go.
Again, should have flashed this. 2nd go.
wert 6 Aug, 2018 Lead RP
with Ian Miller
with Ian Miller
atapper21 3 Aug, 2018 Lead RP
with jolucas
with jolucas
bonebag 3 Aug, 2018 TR Climbing with Jamie on his day off. Jamie lead. Lots of help from Jamie on the rope. Lots of resting. An overcast day with the occasional light shower. Top 50 route.
with Jamie
Climbing with Jamie on his day off. Jamie lead. Lots of help from Jamie on the rope. Lots of resting. An overcast day with the occasional light shower. Top 50 route.
with Jamie
jolucas 3 Aug, 2018 Lead
SMc 24 Jun, 2018 Lead rpt
with Anne
with Anne
wert 22 Jun, 2018 TR dog
with Robert Nudds, Ian Miller
with Robert Nudds, Ian Miller
James 1 17 Jun, 2018 Lead RP
with Dan, Alex
with Dan, Alex
Jay-Ast 17 Jun, 2018 Lead RP 2nd go
2nd go
Tom Gale 9 Jun, 2018 Lead dog
with Emily Y
with Emily Y
JordanColquhoun 3 Jun, 2018 Lead
Clare Dean 13 May, 2018 Lead RP
with Becky, Adele, Sam2257
with Becky, Adele, Sam2257
mattbaz 12 May, 2018 Lead dnf Fell on the rock over hurt knee so couldn't finish
with Matt Farr
Fell on the rock over hurt knee so couldn't finish
with Matt Farr
Hidden 10 May, 2018 Lead
sishaw 18 Apr, 2018 Lead dnf Hard. Did move on tr but couldn't pull it off on lead.
Hard. Did move on tr but couldn't pull it off on lead.
Stoney Boy 18 Apr, 2018 Lead RP
with sishaw
with sishaw
AlexMorris 9 Apr, 2018 Lead RP 2nd attempt, some thought provoking moves and an ace rockover to finish.
2nd attempt, some thought provoking moves and an ace rockover to finish.
Russell Blackaller 4 Nov, 2017 Lead RP 2nd go. Fell off rockover onsight, obviously ;-)
2nd go. Fell off rockover onsight, obviously ;-)
Hidden 4 Nov, 2017 Lead
marclloyd77 29 Oct, 2017 Lead RP
with lukey13
with lukey13
Hidden 29 Oct, 2017 Lead β
Luke Brooks 29 Oct, 2017 Lead RP 2nd go
with Glyn
2nd go
with Glyn
Glyn 29 Oct, 2017 Lead β
jrccrosby 24 Sep, 2017 Lead rpt First go after top roping it the weekend before
with ElsieB
First go after top roping it the weekend before
with ElsieB
jrccrosby 16 Sep, 2017 TR rpt
with Olly Gluck
with Olly Gluck
mshorter 2 Sep, 2017 Lead RP
Michael Bortoluzzi 23 Jul, 2017 Lead RP
mattfarr 12 Jul, 2017 Lead RP First 7a in a session.
with Mike
First 7a in a session.
with Mike
Sophie Nunn 4 Jul, 2017 TR rpt
with Mark R, Becky G
with Mark R, Becky G
Sam2257 26 Jun, 2017 Lead RP Old nemesis from a few years ago. Never managed the crux move back then, happy to find new way tonight and that it went so quickly.
with Becky
Old nemesis from a few years ago. Never managed the crux move back then, happy to find new way tonight and that it went so quickly.
with Becky
Owen Diba 18 Jun, 2017 Lead O/S
_m.cox_ 12 Jun, 2017 Lead dnf One intense crimp move at the top, couldn't muster the will to pull on that hold again for the RP.
One intense crimp move at the top, couldn't muster the will to pull on that hold again for the RP.
yan hawkins 12 Jun, 2017 Lead RP
with _m.cox_
with _m.cox_
Marti999 22 May, 2017 Lead RP
Marti999 22 May, 2017 Lead RP
Leo Woodhead 21 May, 2017 Lead O/S What a move - that rock over feels seemingly impossible ... until it isn't. It took quite a while to work out what I needed to do, but after I'd worked out the beta, it went on the first redpoint attempt.
What a move - that rock over feels seemingly impossible ... until it isn't. It took quite a while to work out what I needed to do, but after I'd worked out the beta, it went on the first redpoint attempt.
nathanlee 9 May, 2017 Lead O/S Worth coming here just to do that mantle
Worth coming here just to do that mantle
HeatherF 9 May, 2017 Lead dog Freaked out at the mantle!
Freaked out at the mantle!
Hidden ?May, 2017 -
Tom Gale 22 Apr, 2017 Lead dnf The rockover/ mantle shut me down. Got completely stumped.
with Nico
The rockover/ mantle shut me down. Got completely stumped.
with Nico
Hidden 4 Apr, 2017 Lead RP
will6459 19 Mar, 2017 Lead RP
jon_gill1 18 Feb, 2017 Lead dog struggled to get the rockover,maybe next time
with Gianluca, martin johnson
struggled to get the rockover,maybe next time
with Gianluca, martin johnson
andyob 24 Sep, 2016 Lead RP
with Ste
with Ste
Hidden 28 Aug, 2016 Lead RP
richgibson 3 Aug, 2016 Lead RP
with Clicky, coombsy
with Clicky, coombsy
Hidden 25 Jul, 2016 Lead dog
adi bryant 17 Jul, 2016 Lead dnf
with Caryl, Ben
with Caryl, Ben
Hidden 13 Jul, 2016 Lead rpt
Sophie Nunn 5 Jul, 2016 Lead RP
with Kylie, Becky G
with Kylie, Becky G
Andy Nicholson ?Jul, 2016 Lead RP I love Climb High
with Spalice
I love Climb High
with Spalice
JamesWilliams 27 Jun, 2016 Lead dog easy to the mantle shelf then nails. hard for the tall?
easy to the mantle shelf then nails. hard for the tall?
adamre12 27 Jun, 2016 Lead dnf
Hidden 28 May, 2016 Lead dog
Hidden 28 May, 2016 Lead RP
Dan Jenkin 28 May, 2016 Lead β
matt30987 13 May, 2016 Lead RP
with Dad
with Dad
tommccluskey 30 Apr, 2016 Lead O/S
Mike W 16 Apr, 2016 Lead O/S
bigdrew 16 Apr, 2016 Lead RP
Sophie Nunn 13 Apr, 2016 Lead dog
Hidden 13 Apr, 2016 2nd
Hidden 10 Apr, 2016 Lead dog
Hidden 10 Apr, 2016 Lead RP
tobydunford 8 Apr, 2016 Lead G/U
with Kirsty Kerr
with Kirsty Kerr
The Grist 20 Mar, 2016 Lead dog Really tricky finish. I took a few falls and eventually did the move. Even when I did it it felt desperate. One to come back to.
Really tricky finish. I took a few falls and eventually did the move. Even when I did it it felt desperate. One to come back to.
EdGeall ??, 2016 Lead RP
Hidden 25 Sep, 2015 Lead O/S
Hidden 25 Sep, 2015 2nd
najki_2000 20 Sep, 2015 Lead dnf Ok to get my foot up and rockover however couldn't switch to the palming and get stood up
with Lawrence, Dave Rose
Ok to get my foot up and rockover however couldn't switch to the palming and get stood up
with Lawrence, Dave Rose
Hidden 20 Sep, 2015 Lead dog
Jack Delaney 1 Aug, 2015 Lead RP
with Becky Good
with Becky Good
Hidden 31 Jul, 2015 Lead rpt
Ed Booth 30 Jun, 2015 Lead rpt
with Anna Pugh
with Anna Pugh
Hidden 12 Jun, 2015 Lead RP
Hidden 10 Jun, 2015 Lead RP
morganator 7 Jun, 2015 Lead RP
with John Roberts
with John Roberts
Hidden 6 Jun, 2015 Lead G/U
Hidden 6 Jun, 2015 TR dnf
quiffhanger 1 May, 2015 Lead RP Thought it had been bolted. So came down after falling of the crux to get some nuts. Did second go but forgot the nuts again so ran it out. Pretty special effort to twice forget to take any gear on a trad climb.
Thought it had been bolted. So came down after falling of the crux to get some nuts. Did second go but forgot the nuts again so ran it out. Pretty special effort to twice forget to take any gear on a trad climb.
AdamHodgson ??, 2015 Lead RP
danJBA 16 Feb, 2014 Lead dog
with Matthew Larden, Dan Brockwell
with Matthew Larden, Dan Brockwell
Chubbard 29 Sep, 2013 Lead dnf No idea how to do then mantle
with C Godfrey
No idea how to do then mantle
with C Godfrey
Mattlamb90 8 Aug, 2013 Lead RP Hard move!
Hard move!
luke384 8 Aug, 2013 Lead RP
mark20 30 Jun, 2013 Lead G/U Hard crux
Hard crux
Alex Mason 24 Apr, 2013 Lead Flew up to the crux then got duff (misremembered) beta to traverse right along the break and mantle. Inevitably fell off. Got straight back on and made the crux ok.
Flew up to the crux then got duff (misremembered) beta to traverse right along the break and mantle. Inevitably fell off. Got straight back on and made the crux ok.
JBO 26 Aug, 2012 Lead dog Took three goes to get the crux mantel, on the first a tiny flake broke off on me, putting me off balance. On the second I didn't commit enough, but on the third it was just right. Shame that move's so hard though, the rest of the route was very pleasant.
Took three goes to get the crux mantel, on the first a tiny flake broke off on me, putting me off balance. On the second I didn't commit enough, but on the third it was just right. Shame that move's so hard though, the rest of the route was very pleasant.
spidey 25 Jun, 2012 Lead RP
Luke Owens 25 Jun, 2012 Lead dog Awesome crux move. Flashed up to this then took a couple of goes to do "the" move. Really unique! It now has 3 bolts and feels more like a sport route. Some one should just add another bolt at the top and it would be a cracking 7a.
with spidey
Awesome crux move. Flashed up to this then took a couple of goes to do "the" move. Really unique! It now has 3 bolts and feels more like a sport route. Some one should just add another bolt at the top and it would be a cracking 7a.
with spidey
markalmack 9 Jun, 2012 Lead dnf couldn't do the mantle...
with ctodd
couldn't do the mantle...
with ctodd
GazzerM55 ??, 2012 -
kingholmesy ??, 2012 Lead dog What a heartbreaker of a move!
with Andy S
What a heartbreaker of a move!
with Andy S
MikeYouCanClimb 1 Oct, 2011 Lead rpt The tricky to place wires after the crux are even more tricky since I pulled off the handhold trying to place them. I took a fall and reclimbed, the grade is not affected.
with Matthew
The tricky to place wires after the crux are even more tricky since I pulled off the handhold trying to place them. I took a fall and reclimbed, the grade is not affected.
with Matthew
pauldrew 10 Sep, 2011 TR
Glenn Sutcliffe 28 Aug, 2011 -
with keefe
with keefe
keefe 28 Aug, 2011 Lead O/S
Mike_Hayes 14 Aug, 2011 Lead O/S A hybrid - probably E4 for effort - F7a
A hybrid - probably E4 for effort - F7a
belay bunny turned bad 14 Aug, 2011 Lead β
with loundsy
with loundsy
Hidden 14 Aug, 2011 Lead β
rockjedi 7 Aug, 2011 Lead O/S
with Keith Sharples, Julian Heath
with Keith Sharples, Julian Heath
Hidden 7 Aug, 2011 Lead O/S
Ally Smith 3 May, 2011 Lead O/S
Adam Lincoln 30 Mar, 2011 Lead O/S
with Joe Bertalot
with Joe Bertalot
Hidden ??, 2011 Lead O/S
thrutch 22 Oct, 2010 Lead RP
with Sven
with Sven
Mark Riley 26 Sep, 2010 Lead RP
gregoritos 25 Sep, 2010 Lead β flash
flash
Hidden 22 Aug, 2010 Lead O/S
soph ?Aug, 2010 Lead dog
with Helena Robinson
with Helena Robinson
daveayton 1 Jun, 2010 Lead RP
Hidden 27 Apr, 2010 Lead rpt
phil64 21 Mar, 2010 Lead hard for tall and weak!
hard for tall and weak!
mattyork2 27 Oct, 2009 Lead dog
with Johnny Richard
with Johnny Richard
Rich Kirby 27 Aug, 2009 2nd rpt
Hidden ?Jun, 2009 -
Brian Rodgers 2 May, 2009 Lead O/S Nice, but it did feel more like a sports route.
with Ian Wyatt
Nice, but it did feel more like a sports route.
with Ian Wyatt
bronsonite 18 Apr, 2009 Lead O/S
with Lizzie Bowler
with Lizzie Bowler
Hidden 18 Apr, 2009 2nd O/S
mattyork2 1 Mar, 2009 Lead dog Shit. Tried really hard on the onsight and thought I might have it as I rocked up and on...failed and another two goes later it was home time. Another great day out- super weekend!
with James Gray and Pete Harrison
Shit. Tried really hard on the onsight and thought I might have it as I rocked up and on...failed and another two goes later it was home time. Another great day out- super weekend!
with James Gray and Pete Harrison
farmus21 1 Mar, 2009 Lead dog awesome...silly mistakes
with Matt Maynard Pete Harrison
awesome...silly mistakes
with Matt Maynard Pete Harrison
galpinos 3 Jan, 2009 Lead dog Fell off at rock-over crux. Got the move second go. Need to go back and clean it! F7a
with Ben
Fell off at rock-over crux. Got the move second go. Need to go back and clean it! F7a
with Ben
Lee Proctor ??, 2009 Lead
Hidden 27 Sep, 2008 2nd
Hidden 27 Sep, 2008 Lead β
Hidden 21 Sep, 2008 Lead O/S
Cowflinger 13 Sep, 2008 Lead dog
with Dai Morris
with Dai Morris
Hidden 10 Jun, 2008 Lead RP
dts 11 May, 2008 2nd O/S
with ajtay
with ajtay
ajtay 11 May, 2008 -
Hidden 26 Apr, 2008 Lead dog
Somerset swede basher 3 Mar, 2008 Lead O/S
with Andy Nicholson
with Andy Nicholson
dicky79 6 Jan, 2008 TR dog
with Pete
with Pete
bigie bob 1 Aug, 2007 Lead O/S
Ed Booth 20 May, 2007 Lead One rest - nobber!!!!! Fukin good though. should have done it clean.
with Roel Driesen
One rest - nobber!!!!! Fukin good though. should have done it clean.
with Roel Driesen
John Marsland 28 Apr, 2007 2nd dog Only rested at crux.
Only rested at crux.
goi.ashmore 27 Apr, 2007 Lead O/S
with John Marsland
with John Marsland
guyblackwood 5 Feb, 2007 TR dog
with Ali and Lee
with Ali and Lee
feilx 5 Nov, 2006 Lead O/S
with keith
with keith
dannyboy83 5 Nov, 2006 Lead O/S
with dmoir
with dmoir
guyblackwood 5 Nov, 2006 Lead dog fell off- never mind- don't normally do this grade for a warm up
with Ricardo,
fell off- never mind- don't normally do this grade for a warm up
with Ricardo,
nige ?May, 2006 Lead
with mark hounslea
with mark hounslea
guyblackwood 14 Apr, 2006 Lead RP Awesome! My hardest lead to date by far!
with Gentiane
Awesome! My hardest lead to date by far!
with Gentiane
IOAN D 18 Feb, 2006 Lead dnf
with Mills
with Mills
Lee Proctor 22 Jan, 2006 Lead rpt
with Paul Bolger
with Paul Bolger
guyblackwood 25 Dec, 2005 TR 2nd attempt.
with Lee led
2nd attempt.
with Lee led
Mark Riley ?Mar, 2005 Lead dog
Rich Kirby ?Jul, 2004 Lead O/S
with antham
with antham
Hidden 27 Jul, 2003 Lead O/S
Robmwatt ??, 2000 Lead
Shaved Atom ??, 1999 Lead O/S
Bulls Crack ??, 1996 Lead O/S
with AM
with AM
Roget 25 Jun, 1994 Lead O/S
with jon
with jon
Brian Wilderspin 31 May, 1990 -
with Hugh Williams
with Hugh Williams
wynaptomos ?May, 1990 2nd O/S
Hidden ??, 1988 Lead
Hidden ??, 1987 Lead
Mike Owen 25 Sep, 1986 Lead O/S
with Ian McMullan
with Ian McMullan
Hidden ??, 1986 Lead
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Style of ascent
Lead
Followed
Toproped
Not Set
Redpoint
Onsighted
Dogged
DNF
Repeated
Flashed (β)
Ground Up
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