Maybe we can all just get on with enjoying climbing now and put this to bed because it's becoming a right yawn. People grade stuff, its based on their opinion and their experience and as it gets repeats, the grade settles down. I don't think there's anything wrong with that or that anything is fundamentally wrong with British grades.

Not everyone is bored yet. I will have to watch this tonight as I don't have access to video. If this subject was a right yawn I wouldn't bother but I will.

...well, I'm encouraged by the fact that (so far) this thread is quiet. I'll switch the lights off and flush the toilet on my way out.

i mean no offence to any of the participants, organisers or attendees*, but i kind of feel that people voted with their feet as to how important this debate is to the grass roots climbing community (ie. all us bimblies and punters). *because I understand how hard it is to coordinate an event like this, the temptation of actually going out climbing, that a mistake was made charging for the event etc etc.