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If you’ve seen the trailer for the new JP film you’ll have noticed some abseiling and a little bit of standard nonsense with one character having to hold the weight of another who has fallen and is swinging around in free space, which looks wrong even in the trailer. 
Well, having now seen the film, I can report that whole rope set up is so bizarre that none of it makes any sense at all and it would be impossible to even describe coherently.

So, there’s something you can enjoy (also Scar Jo eyes up a big wall from above, first time she’s seen it, and grades it 5:13 or maybe even 5:15)

Presumably there’s a load of stuff wrong with how boats, navigation, daylight, senses, safety protocol firewalls, archiving, and general science, all work too….but the rope stuff was something we all should have some familiarity with so it stood out to me.

Film was more likeable than expected though. 

In reply to Blue Straggler:

You've gotta love the Jurassic Park franchise's absolute disregard for anything remotely connected to reality.  Since the first film it's become more widely known and accepted that many of the dinosaurs depicted had at least some feathers...  But Jurassic park just stay in their lane - Velociraptors are huge, aggressive Lizard like beasts.  That's their story and they're sticking to it

As for climbing stuff, that's always a hoot in films.  For all the gadgetry that the IMF has in the Mission Impossible films nobody seems to have told Jean Reno about Gri Gris.

In reply to Iamgregp:

I don't know that this is more true of JP than of any other blockbuster sci-fi franchise, there's always something for which people will willingly suspend disbelief, and other things that can't be let go of (usually if the viewer is a subject expert in that particular area).

For me it's 3D "holograms". They're ubiquitous in sci-fi, but utterly ridiculous. How is that even supposed to work?

In reply to planetmarshall:

Yeah that's probably fair, but I think with the Sci Fi genre in particular we're so used to seeing these things in every bloody franchise that we forget how silly they are.

Noise in space?!  Yep, fine, just accept it!

In reply to Iamgregp:

I like sparks falling out of the ceiling on instellar starships in the 30th century 

In reply to Iamgregp:

In fairness (and maybe this something that was obvious to everyone all along, but I only really thought about thanks to a bit of clunky exposition early in the new film) they seem to exist in an alternate timeline. That I only twigged this last night, might be a reason I’ve never particularly thought of them as sci-fi…

In reply to Blue Straggler:

Ha!  

I quite like CTR screens on anything made up until the 90s.  Warp speed? No problem.  Flat screen display?  Hmmm that's too advanced. 

In reply to Iamgregp:

Funnily enough the new JP starts with a scene set "17 years ago" in a hi-tech expensive lab, and they have big CRT screens with iirc orange text on a black background (I may have just imagined that detail). I think in 2008 even the crappy little start-up I was working at, had flat screens  

In reply to planetmarshall:

This might annoy you then (it annoys me a little bit)..

There's a company out there that's been marketing a very much 2D projection effect, for theatrical productions and the like, as "3D Holograms and Holographic Projection" for over 20 years.  The Advertising Standards Authority once looked into a complaint against them, for claiming that their product is something that doesn't actually exist, but apparently that's ok so the complaint wasn't upheld.

In reply to Blue Straggler:

Sometimes productions find total randoms to do ropes and rigging stuff, although a little less nowadays. And in any case it’s not unusual at all for a production designer to veto what is realistic in favour of their vision, as long as it’s fundamentally safe. You see the same sort of thing with military portrayals. 

In reply to Blue Straggler:

Of all of the films in which Scarlett Johansson has starred, the one at which I most find myself shouting “that would never happen” is We Bought a Zoo. I don’t know whether Matt Damon deliberately piled on the pounds and wore bad clothes just for the role but I just cannot accept the she’d (SPOILER ALERT) fancy him. I accept that usually he’s a good-looking and charismatic chap but not this time, especially with a troubled kid in tow. Anything else she’s in that’s to do with time travel, alien races, dinosaurs, is just fine though. 

In reply to Iamgregp:

Its a bit like the mormons and their Reformed Egyptian. It wasnt a bad plan given hieroglyphics had been forgotten since about 400ad. Who could have predicted that bleeping Rosetta stone? Without a serious reboot I can see why they stick to the monsters they know.

I am tempted to watch it just for the T-Rex river scene since that was filmed at Lee Valley white water centre so be interesting to see how it is merged in. The amount of kit there during the filming period was insane although the course was sealed off, could just about see a couple of big fake boulders.

In reply to Iamgregp:

In The World is Not Enough (1999), Bond uses a large touch-screen CRT! 

In reply to Blue Straggler:

There are still a few companies making CRT's, I know a guy who installs them as replacements on older aircraft (and radar systems). There's quite a market in "old junk" for that sort of thing, all those forty year old fighting vehicles sent to the Ukraine need spare parts like valves for the electronics and such like, the German government had to get someone to actually start making them again before the vehicles could go back in service. Even older F1 cars need ancient computer systems running off discs with god knows what language to start the engines. I've  CNC machine that runs off punch cards but they are easy to make.

In reply to Blue Straggler:

that technology existed a long time ago - the CRT screen had a very fine practically invisible mesh of wires with row and column sensing, an update of the very old light-pen idea (back to the 70s?)

In reply to Blue Straggler:

I haven't seen Rebirth yet, but is the rope set up as good as the one in the Captain Fantastic climbing scene? It doesn't often get mentioned in the discussions about films with bad climbing, but for me it is up there with the best (worst) of them.

In reply to Blue Straggler:

Wait, next you’ll be saying that dinosaurs can’t be brought back from extinction? 

In reply to James FR:

If you liked that one, you'll love the opening scenes in The Fall: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15325794/

Edit- here ya go:  youtube.com/watch?v=IgJJZMj2hv0&

In reply to PaulJepson:

Mehh... average climbing in the US.

To translate their climbing calls... Where in the UK we'd say "Take in. Watch me" you hear them using the US version "worry about your ropes, bitches".

Their attempt at Cockney was a bit unrealistic though. Where in UK/London we might call someone a Burke (Berkeley Hunt, ****) they refer to the solo climber as an "here comes Ethan Hunt" so they did get that bit wrong 😞

In reply to James FR:

I’d say it’s worse in Captain Fantastic simply for reasons stated throughout this thread , i.e. Jurassic World: Rebirth is a fantasy sci-fi adventure, pure hokum from start to end, whereas Captain Fantastic presents itself as a grounded mature film. As it happens, I didn’t much care for Captain Fantastic, especially the ending. Leave No Trace is the grown-up version of that story 

In reply to PaulJepson:

Another dire rock climbing opening sequence (so that you don't have to endure the whole series) is in Untamed on Netflix. This is the spectacular bit but the lead up to that with the climbing is cringe too too: https://www.facebook.com/NetflixANZ/videos/1157974312757304/

In reply to CantClimbTom:

Please confirm that you are taking the piss in a sadly failing manner, and you actually do know the reference....

In reply to Blue Straggler:

Confirmed.

And I was wrong and the American script writers correct, as it seems "Ethan" is used by others as rhyming slang after all.  https://cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/ethan_hunt/

In reply to JimmAwelon:

Looks like the same as the accident in Vertical limit