This was my experience of them as well. As I asked in this thread (http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=360739&v=1#x5258916) I was looking for a good all round shoe for UK trad as I was finding jamming excruciatingly painful in anasazis. I got a pair of these in the hope that they would make for more comfortable jamming but fully expecting them to be pants at anything resembling technical face climbing.
I did feel a little bit bumbly and I can't say I was full of confidence when I first set off on a long route at my trad limit in them. Pleased to say though that I was very pleasantly surprised, not only in terms of jamming comfort (the stiff sole and more neutral foot position is a god send here) but also edging and smearing.
Would urge anyone looking a less technical shoe for UK trad, giving less bunched toes for less painful jams, to give these a go.
In reply to @ndyM@rsh@ll: Hmmm, I see your logic. So the inside length of my Cliff5 is exactly the same as the inside length of my Trango and Nepal Extremes, but I just wear woolly socks in them and want to be able to wiggle my toes?
> (In reply to @ndyM@rsh@ll) Hmmm, I see your logic. So the inside length of my Cliff5 is exactly the same as the inside length of my Trango and Nepal Extremes,
I don't think that's quite right either but it is probably much closer to think of them as trainer sizes than rock shoe sizes.
Incidentally, do you know for sure that the rand is 'sticky' rubber? I never got around to asking Sportiva about it but as a rule rockshoe rands are never in the sticky sole rubber. It is too expensive and usually too stretchy to do the job they need a tensioned rand to do.
> (In reply to @ndyM@rsh@ll) Hmmm, I see your logic. So the inside length of my Cliff5 is exactly the same as the inside length of my Trango and Nepal Extremes, but I just wear woolly socks in them and want to be able to wiggle my toes?
Not im my experience. I'm 44.5 in barracuda, miura VS and Nepal extreme evo. In the latter I'm wearing thick socks so that must be factored in.
> (In reply to IainWhitehouse)
> Not sure if the sizing on these is the same as the old Cliff Blues?
It was pretty close when they first brought them out. The extra padding in the heel made them feel slightly different but they were the same size give or take a whisker. I haven't stocked them for some time now so they could have been changed since.
In reply to Dan Middleton, BMC: By the way: 40-41 in sportiva is prefectly average for a 43 foot. The 39.5 in your Miuras is tighter than most get them but probably still inside normal bounds - it's about what I would expect to wear as a size 8 (42) foot.
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