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I was part of a party climbing on Avalanche Wall continuation on Lliwedd yesterday, and when we reached the top a passing walker told us someone had fallen from Crib Gogh that afternoon and had been killed. A member of a party climbing the same route mentioned they heard screaming at around the same time. 

With that said, I can’t find any reference on the news about this. I’m wondering if anyone knows what, if anything, happened? Very much hoping that the walker was mistaken and nothing occurred. 

The OP's post is wishing there was no incident with people getting hurt, and it gets downvotes for that??? (2 at the time of my post)

Any post asking about an accident will get some dislikes. I think some people view it as taboo.

Happy to delete if people think it’s crossing a line. But would prefer some kind of certainty about what, if anything, happened. Hoping it was just a misunderstanding - speaking from previous personal experience, it’s not a good feeling being that close to that kind of incident. 

I expect it will be reported in the news at some point. Until then, it's absolutely no business of anyone who wasn't involved.

This post is rather like rubbernecking at a motorway crash.

I always feel it's a lot more complicated than that, particularly if you are tangentially involved by being in the same area as the accident. It might not be your business as such, but if you are witness to an accident or rescue I reckon everyone thinks both "I hope they are ok" and "what went wrong so that I can try to avoid that?" I think that's just being human. 

But I defy anyone to drive past a crash (or walk past, as I did Friday on the A9, coming down from Tryfan) without looking and trying to understand what happened. 

Feck me mate, if you can see the A9 from Tryfan you must have good vision

😄 I'm getting my great mountain roads a bit mixed up aren't I! Apologies, yes, A5. The A9 will probably be the end of next week, but not before I'll see my old favourite of all roads (and my most hitchhiked of roads too!), the A82. 

Wondering about it is one thing. Asking for details on a public forum, before the affected person's family and friends are even all aware, is another. It's insensitive and unnecessary.

This topic has been discussed before at length.

Whenever there is an incident, accident, or event, some people reach out for information, offer ideas, analyze, and try to figure out what happenened, while others believe in strict silence. 

Mountain Project, the US equivalent of UKC, has one forum dedicated to "Injuries and accidents" and another dedicated to "Memorials" to address the needs of both communities. 

I am a firm believer in sharing as much information as possible as soon as possible, and engaging in analysis and speculation,  which can absolutely be done with respect and humility.  This creates a culture of learning and safety, and the lessons can absolutely help others.

I'm also aware that this is just my perspective, and that others are offended by such disucussions.  

Nonetheless, before anybody takes the moral highground, consider that there is no right and wrong approach, only different ways to process questions, concerns, and fears in a sport that has real risks.  

I often think accusations of rubbernecking are dramatically overblown.

If I’m driving at 70 mph down a motorway and I see a stationary flashing blue lights up ahead, I’m not going to steam in to that at 70 mph on the assumption it doesn’t impact travel on my carriageway.  As soon as people start slowing the dynamics of compression waves comes in and traffic bunches up more.  The oft stated assumption that’s it’s all down to people wanting to look at the accident doesn’t fit my preference for “think ahead, look ahead, drive ahead” nor my understanding of traffic dynamics.

Likewise if I was part of an emergency services crew working on one side of the motorway I’d rather not have the massive noise and air turbulence caused by lorry’s going past at 55 mph and cars at 70 mph.  

I'm with you entirely on this and am flummoxed by the tsunami of downvotes on your post. Maybe in the West the access to the minutiae of a tragedy is seen as a "right"; exposed as we are to a 24 hour news cycle. It's not impossible that this has desensitised millions and made them sick.

Hi Coyote. 

The views you and Becky express are common, but they are certainly not the majority.  And that that's not a question of de-sensitization and de-humanization because of media, it's simply the result of human nature, and diverse reactions to trauma.  

Think of what your post implies: you have just accused dozens (or more) people of being "sick" because they seek answers and information about accidents. 

Isn't that a little self-righteous?

Is it possible that other people seek information and discuss accidents for motivations other than those you believe?  

Another way to state the above, "Is it possible that there are other reasonable views in addition to your own?"

I get what your saying, about different reactions to trauma and it is natural to learn from incidents too. But surely there's a time and a place?

I won't be drawn any further into this. Not on this thread.

I appreciate that Coyote, and I respect your opinion.  

I hesitated before responding, as I have done many times in the past, but in the end it's an issue I feel strongly about, so I decided to post.  

Regards. 

You kind of need to be ready for anything, if it hit the central reservation there could be debris on your side, they often close lanes for better access or the entire opposite side for air ambulances too, slowing to 50 is just common sense. 

Looking around the online news media I can't find anything about it. Hopefully, as the OP said, the report was a mistake.

Dave

Unfortunatelyy that was not the case, 2 friends of mine were just ahead of the person when it sadly happened. No more information has been released. They did not see how it happened.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-dies-fall-notorious-e...

Confirmation of the incident has been published by the Daily Post.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0yd91n1d0o

And a (very) short piece on the Beeb now.

The first person to reach the casualty has posted publicly in FB about the experience now, which I'm sure you'll see if you follow the normal groups. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1ApyVAgzGw/

I see this from North Wales Police...

“We are appealing to anyone who may have witnessed the fall to contact police via our website or by calling 101, quoting reference number 25000678802.”