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I have stayed at this particular campsite for 5 years or more and the farmer is always nice to us.
On sunday, however, we had a complaint made about us getting up 'too early' and waking our neighbour. We got up at 6:30 and we didn't start cooking/making minor noise until at least 7am - the guy in question was a little put out because he thought this was too early for a sunday morning - I was incensed. - Where do people get off thinking that they can stay at a campsite at the foot of some mountains and think they have the right to moan when people get up early to make the best of a long day in the hills? I can't believe he had the audacity to make a complaint - totally unjustified in my eyes. Rant over.
On sunday, however, we had a complaint made about us getting up 'too early' and waking our neighbour. We got up at 6:30 and we didn't start cooking/making minor noise until at least 7am - the guy in question was a little put out because he thought this was too early for a sunday morning - I was incensed. - Where do people get off thinking that they can stay at a campsite at the foot of some mountains and think they have the right to moan when people get up early to make the best of a long day in the hills? I can't believe he had the audacity to make a complaint - totally unjustified in my eyes. Rant over.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
I agree with Owen that you have every right to get up at sunrise in the mountains to make the best use of the day.
I agree with Owen that you have every right to get up at sunrise in the mountains to make the best use of the day.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
I'd have laughed at them. If the complaint was made to the farmer then I'm sure he'll have had little sympathy - he'll most likely have been up at the same time...
I'd have laughed at them. If the complaint was made to the farmer then I'm sure he'll have had little sympathy - he'll most likely have been up at the same time...
In reply to AnnaSpanna: All I'd say, is that if you are up before everyone else, be considerate about the noise. I'd expect people to be up and about soon after sunrise, but I'd also expect them to use lowered voices / not slam car doors etc.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
surely there are no hard and fast rules. I think it's common sense and politeness to try and keep the noise down when others are asleep.
surely there are no hard and fast rules. I think it's common sense and politeness to try and keep the noise down when others are asleep.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
Would tend to agree with you, although it does depend... I got up at 1am last summer to head off for a climb and although nobody complained I did feel a bit guilty driving past sleeping campers, I should have left the car outside the campsite!
Would tend to agree with you, although it does depend... I got up at 1am last summer to head off for a climb and although nobody complained I did feel a bit guilty driving past sleeping campers, I should have left the car outside the campsite!
In reply to AnnaSpanna: idiots.
but then i'd possibly not be stirring quite that early myself but could see the justification in doing so.
but then i'd possibly not be stirring quite that early myself but could see the justification in doing so.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
We are very considerate, asleep by 9pm, no car radio, park away from tents - type people.
I guess I feel a little embarassed as we have a good rapor with the farmer - I hate the idea that I've been put in the box with all the other noisy gits who ruin other peoples breaks. Ah well back in a couple of weeks so we'll see then.
(note to self - pitch away from 1970's canvas house-tents)
We are very considerate, asleep by 9pm, no car radio, park away from tents - type people.
I guess I feel a little embarassed as we have a good rapor with the farmer - I hate the idea that I've been put in the box with all the other noisy gits who ruin other peoples breaks. Ah well back in a couple of weeks so we'll see then.
(note to self - pitch away from 1970's canvas house-tents)
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
How would you feel about someone making nosie at midnight?
> We are very considerate, asleep by 9pm, no car radio, park away from tents - type people.
How would you feel about someone making nosie at midnight?
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
"making nosie" - it's like being nosie but even nosier, in quite a dodgy way. Probably involves unzipping tents and peering in while the occupants are asleep.
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> Nosie?
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> Nosie?
"making nosie" - it's like being nosie but even nosier, in quite a dodgy way. Probably involves unzipping tents and peering in while the occupants are asleep.
All hill farmers I'ved camped with have joined me for a chat at 5 am every morning.
In reply to rowen root:
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All of them!?!?... Doesn't that get a bit crowded over time?
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> All hill farmers I'ved camped with have joined me for a chat at 5 am every morning.
All of them!?!?... Doesn't that get a bit crowded over time?
In reply to Clauso: Oh we are sharp today?
In reply to AnnaSpanna: The ones that moan in the mornings are usually the ones that are noisy at night. So it balances its self out.
In reply to rowen root:
Explain how that balences out, they annoy people by being noisy at night then annoy people by complaining in the morning.
Explain how that balences out, they annoy people by being noisy at night then annoy people by complaining in the morning.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
You really are a delicate soul.
First getting all aggitated about some people who moaned at you for top roping a classic at Stanage, now all distressed about waking up campers becasue of an early start!
Grow a backbone or something.
You really are a delicate soul.
First getting all aggitated about some people who moaned at you for top roping a classic at Stanage, now all distressed about waking up campers becasue of an early start!
Grow a backbone or something.
In reply to rowen root:
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Last time I camped, the lady in the tent next to me moaned late at night AND early morning. She screamed too. How do you explain that one?
P.S. I like hill farmers as much as the next girl, but their incessant whining about how difficult it is to earn a living inevitably grates after a while. Why don't they try farming livestock rather than hills? They might get somewhere then... Just a thought.
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> The ones that moan in the mornings are usually the ones that are noisy at night. So it balances its self out.
Last time I camped, the lady in the tent next to me moaned late at night AND early morning. She screamed too. How do you explain that one?
P.S. I like hill farmers as much as the next girl, but their incessant whining about how difficult it is to earn a living inevitably grates after a while. Why don't they try farming livestock rather than hills? They might get somewhere then... Just a thought.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
7am, most sites I have camped on in earlier years, that was the hour the farmer came round for his money.
If people want to lie in bed late when all the rest of the world is awake hard luck. Camp next to some D of E teams and there is often the clank of tent poles being packed around 7am and they are off for the day.
What time did the layabeds go to sleep, and were they quiet late on or talking into the night as we were at Easter in our group? If the latter they have no reason to complain.
Just forget it, there is no such thing as Sunday lie in on a camp site, that is for wet Sundays at home with the papers. Or it is pouring down and you lie in your pit dozing and brewing up till bored enough to escape.
7am, most sites I have camped on in earlier years, that was the hour the farmer came round for his money.
If people want to lie in bed late when all the rest of the world is awake hard luck. Camp next to some D of E teams and there is often the clank of tent poles being packed around 7am and they are off for the day.
What time did the layabeds go to sleep, and were they quiet late on or talking into the night as we were at Easter in our group? If the latter they have no reason to complain.
Just forget it, there is no such thing as Sunday lie in on a camp site, that is for wet Sundays at home with the papers. Or it is pouring down and you lie in your pit dozing and brewing up till bored enough to escape.
In reply to sutty:
I think what you and others are saying is that a reasonable time to be making noise coincides exactly with the times you want to get up and go to bed? How convenient.
I think what you and others are saying is that a reasonable time to be making noise coincides exactly with the times you want to get up and go to bed? How convenient.
In reply to Tyler: That's another point how would you know when it's time to get up if everyone was quiet?
In reply to rowen root:
Monday morning it was light, people were up and packing away so i decided it must be time to get up - it was 5.30 am!
> (In reply to Tyler) That's another point how would you know when it's time to get up if everyone was quiet?
Monday morning it was light, people were up and packing away so i decided it must be time to get up - it was 5.30 am!
In reply to AnnaSpanna: Presumibly you would also be really upset if he decided to party until 3am on the Saturday night as many people are known to do. Do you not think that a little bit of discression is needed here? For example, why not get up quietly, and then go and rattle your cooking things somewhere out of the way from those people who quite rightly see the mountains as somewhere peaceful and tranquil. 7am on a Sunday morning is a bit much although I appreciate you wanted an early start.
In reply to rowen root:
How do you manage at home?
> That's another point how would you know when it's time to get up if everyone was quiet?
How do you manage at home?
In reply to AnnaSpanna: I see your point and your neighbour ought to think himself lucky...I had to be restrained from killing an old boy who was rallying his troops with a penny whistle at half six one morning a while back!
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
People use campsites for different reasons. Some people stay up late and don't want waking up early. Of course you should expect that some people will get up early if they are walking or climbing, but that doesn't necessarily give them the right to wake you up. It might be unavoidable in some circumstances, but basically you made enough noise to wake this guy up earlier than he wanted to. The only sensible policy is to accept that it's a communal situation and that we have to adapt our expectations. That means accepting that you might get woken up early, and it also means those people who do get up early making some effort not to wake others around them. It's not always possible, of course, especially if you're camping with young kids.
People use campsites for different reasons. Some people stay up late and don't want waking up early. Of course you should expect that some people will get up early if they are walking or climbing, but that doesn't necessarily give them the right to wake you up. It might be unavoidable in some circumstances, but basically you made enough noise to wake this guy up earlier than he wanted to. The only sensible policy is to accept that it's a communal situation and that we have to adapt our expectations. That means accepting that you might get woken up early, and it also means those people who do get up early making some effort not to wake others around them. It's not always possible, of course, especially if you're camping with young kids.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
I'mgoing togo against the flow andsay that it is about respect for others unfortunately. we are usually up and about anywhere from 7 -9am. Nobody should be prohibited from getting up when they want to, or from having a bit of a BBQ on a hot summer evening until the small hours. However i reckon 6.30 to 7 is ever so slightly unreasonable for others. we do talk late into the night and we sometimes get up early. we have never complained when others have wanted to chat untill 11pm or get up at 7. they were always mindful of others. However as for laughing at others valid complaints, sutty and others deserve a sly fish carcase hidden under there groundsheet while they are off out at 7.30am.
Am i trolling?
it sure feels like it...
I'mgoing togo against the flow andsay that it is about respect for others unfortunately. we are usually up and about anywhere from 7 -9am. Nobody should be prohibited from getting up when they want to, or from having a bit of a BBQ on a hot summer evening until the small hours. However i reckon 6.30 to 7 is ever so slightly unreasonable for others. we do talk late into the night and we sometimes get up early. we have never complained when others have wanted to chat untill 11pm or get up at 7. they were always mindful of others. However as for laughing at others valid complaints, sutty and others deserve a sly fish carcase hidden under there groundsheet while they are off out at 7.30am.
Am i trolling?
it sure feels like it...
In reply to Duane:
No, you're not trolling. It's all about respect for others. I can't see why anybody can't get up early and quietly, without disturbing others. IMO, however, noise on a campsite is a far greater issue long after dark e.g after midnight. I've no idea why this is so difficult for some people to understand. Noise at dawn is trivial by comparison. For god sakes (deliberate US usage), I know from hard experience over many years just how tough the 'dawn chorus' can feel when you've been up too late the night before ...
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> I'mgoing togo against the flow andsay that it is about respect for others unfortunately. we are usually up and about anywhere from 7 -9am. Nobody should be prohibited from getting up when they want to, or from having a bit of a BBQ on a hot summer evening until the small hours. However i reckon 6.30 to 7 is ever so slightly unreasonable for others. we do talk late into the night and we sometimes get up early. we have never complained when others have wanted to chat untill 11pm or get up at 7. they were always mindful of others. However as for laughing at others valid complaints, sutty and others deserve a sly fish carcase hidden under there groundsheet while they are off out at 7.30am.
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> I'mgoing togo against the flow andsay that it is about respect for others unfortunately. we are usually up and about anywhere from 7 -9am. Nobody should be prohibited from getting up when they want to, or from having a bit of a BBQ on a hot summer evening until the small hours. However i reckon 6.30 to 7 is ever so slightly unreasonable for others. we do talk late into the night and we sometimes get up early. we have never complained when others have wanted to chat untill 11pm or get up at 7. they were always mindful of others. However as for laughing at others valid complaints, sutty and others deserve a sly fish carcase hidden under there groundsheet while they are off out at 7.30am.
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No, you're not trolling. It's all about respect for others. I can't see why anybody can't get up early and quietly, without disturbing others. IMO, however, noise on a campsite is a far greater issue long after dark e.g after midnight. I've no idea why this is so difficult for some people to understand. Noise at dawn is trivial by comparison. For god sakes (deliberate US usage), I know from hard experience over many years just how tough the 'dawn chorus' can feel when you've been up too late the night before ...
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
You have to remember that what is quiet to a woman isn't necessarily quiet to a man as talking is usually involved.
You have to remember that what is quiet to a woman isn't necessarily quiet to a man as talking is usually involved.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
I must say despite my anti-rant it is good to hear everybody's opinion. Judging by the consensus it appears that most people prefer to use only the hours of sunlight, whereas i dont. This may be a very small cross section, a valid one nonetheless. i didnt even know this at all. therefore i will be particularly vigilant at night time from now on.
There yougo, me being diplomatic and caring. its a good job this is documented, nobody would believe it.
I must say despite my anti-rant it is good to hear everybody's opinion. Judging by the consensus it appears that most people prefer to use only the hours of sunlight, whereas i dont. This may be a very small cross section, a valid one nonetheless. i didnt even know this at all. therefore i will be particularly vigilant at night time from now on.
There yougo, me being diplomatic and caring. its a good job this is documented, nobody would believe it.
In reply to AnnaSpanna: if you were at nant peris then you definately woke me up
In reply to Jon Dittman:
This is a very strange thread. 0700 is an early rise for some but not for others.
Earplugs are the answer. Most people who don't wear earplugs when sleeping on a campsite will either be kept awake by revellers, roused by early birds or both.
Experiment with earlpugs until you find a set that work for you then you will be happy to live and let live.
> 7am on a Sunday morning is a bit much although I appreciate you wanted an early start.
This is a very strange thread. 0700 is an early rise for some but not for others.
Earplugs are the answer. Most people who don't wear earplugs when sleeping on a campsite will either be kept awake by revellers, roused by early birds or both.
Experiment with earlpugs until you find a set that work for you then you will be happy to live and let live.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
if it was me and i knew this bloke complained i would set my alarm for 5am the next day and snooze it till 7. or how about some well placed bread on / near his tent for the birds?
ultimately, wild camp. you could play drums on your cooking utensils and no one knows
if it was me and i knew this bloke complained i would set my alarm for 5am the next day and snooze it till 7. or how about some well placed bread on / near his tent for the birds?
ultimately, wild camp. you could play drums on your cooking utensils and no one knows
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
The campsite we used at Argentiere put the barrier down at 10pm so no one could move their vihicle until 7am. There was a car park near the site so those who wanted an early start left their cars there. Anyone making unreasonable noise after 9pm would be told to leave the site because the owner knew many would be quietly leaving from 1am onwards to go climbing so would be in bed early. We often heard the clink of ice axes etc in the early hours but no one bothered because it was accepted it was a mountaineers' site. We also warned any boisterous folk after 9pm that they were in danger of being turfed off the site. In the morning the owner would be the likeliest to waken folk because he started steam cleaning and pressure washing the toilet and washroom blocks at 6am prompt.
The campsite we used at Argentiere put the barrier down at 10pm so no one could move their vihicle until 7am. There was a car park near the site so those who wanted an early start left their cars there. Anyone making unreasonable noise after 9pm would be told to leave the site because the owner knew many would be quietly leaving from 1am onwards to go climbing so would be in bed early. We often heard the clink of ice axes etc in the early hours but no one bothered because it was accepted it was a mountaineers' site. We also warned any boisterous folk after 9pm that they were in danger of being turfed off the site. In the morning the owner would be the likeliest to waken folk because he started steam cleaning and pressure washing the toilet and washroom blocks at 6am prompt.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
It isn't really a matter of too early or too late - it is how much noise people make. Early risers banging and crashing around are as bad as late night revellers (being polite) sitting up (round their campfire?) into the wee small hours!
Chris
It isn't really a matter of too early or too late - it is how much noise people make. Early risers banging and crashing around are as bad as late night revellers (being polite) sitting up (round their campfire?) into the wee small hours!
Chris
In reply to AnnaSpanna: I was at a campsite, there were only 2 other tents there, and 2 tents in my group. We pitched ours at the other end of the field. At 10.30pm, the campsite fell silent. So, we got into our 2 tents. The person I was sharing a tent with and I had a very quiet conversation, lasting no more than 20 minutes. Quiet enough not to wake the rest of our group in the other tent right next to us. Once we were drifting off to sleep, a really annoyed woman came and shouted at us from outside our tent, waking everyone up. This was at about 11pm. She also complained to the farmer, who told us off the next day for 'whispering after 10pm' with a confused look on his face. The annoyed woman sent her children over to our tent to play hide and seek at 6am the next day to get us back.
Moral of the story;
Some people are never happy. She had yelled at us, had the farmer tell us off, and got her petty payback by using her kids. Some people should just not be allowed on campsites. Everyone else should take earplugs.
Moral of the story;
Some people are never happy. She had yelled at us, had the farmer tell us off, and got her petty payback by using her kids. Some people should just not be allowed on campsites. Everyone else should take earplugs.
In reply to melmyo:
wow, now thats baaaad.
wow, now thats baaaad.
In reply to Duane:
Which reminds me of the worst neighbours I've ever had on a campsite - the herd of teenage sheep at Gwern Gof Isaf (the one under Tryfan) who decided to stand right outside the tent door at 3 in the morning and spend three hours baaing at me. It was like The Birds. With sheep.
Which reminds me of the worst neighbours I've ever had on a campsite - the herd of teenage sheep at Gwern Gof Isaf (the one under Tryfan) who decided to stand right outside the tent door at 3 in the morning and spend three hours baaing at me. It was like The Birds. With sheep.
In reply to psd: Have you ever camped at Birchover? The Peacocks are something else at dawn.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
I think the real insight we can take from this thread is that camping on a public campsite is shit.
I think the real insight we can take from this thread is that camping on a public campsite is shit.
In reply to AnnaSpanna:
Yes you can.
Just you any early risers would be p*ssed at people making anoise late a night. so others are miffed at being disturbed at 6 or 7. You can dot he necessary quietly, can't you?
Sxx
Yes you can.
Just you any early risers would be p*ssed at people making anoise late a night. so others are miffed at being disturbed at 6 or 7. You can dot he necessary quietly, can't you?
Sxx
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