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Did anybody watch that program last nite about our dear Muslim brothers...... on channel4???
Regarding the most up to date survey of p#ssed off, young, old, rich, poor, fanatical etc etc in general a broad spectrum of the Muslim community. And their thoughts on residing in a rather liberal secular country.
Well......
this is my rant " if they don't like it here, go back to where you came from and live under somebody else's flag. The uk is the most understanding of pretty much all the sovereign states we tolerate all. If your not happy with this then F-off"
Rant over
Regarding the most up to date survey of p#ssed off, young, old, rich, poor, fanatical etc etc in general a broad spectrum of the Muslim community. And their thoughts on residing in a rather liberal secular country.
Well......
this is my rant " if they don't like it here, go back to where you came from and live under somebody else's flag. The uk is the most understanding of pretty much all the sovereign states we tolerate all. If your not happy with this then F-off"
Rant over
In reply to williamnomates:
The uk is the most understanding of pretty much all the sovereign states we tolerate all. >
How very understanding and tolerant of you. Can't understand why you should be williamnomates.
Troll or pr*ck - let the jury decide
The uk is the most understanding of pretty much all the sovereign states we tolerate all. >
How very understanding and tolerant of you. Can't understand why you should be williamnomates.
Troll or pr*ck - let the jury decide
In reply to williamnomates:
Some of their views were a little alarming, granted.
Yes, anyone who doesn't like it here can f*ck off if they want to, be they muslim, christian, sikh, jedi or whatever. We all have that freedom.
Some of their views were a little alarming, granted.
Yes, anyone who doesn't like it here can f*ck off if they want to, be they muslim, christian, sikh, jedi or whatever. We all have that freedom.
In reply to williamnomates:
Compare and contrast:
Who said double standards?
Compare and contrast:
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> we tolerate all.
> we tolerate all.
> If your not happy with this then F-off
Who said double standards?
In reply to tony: it's not a double standard, this is a free democratic country...
In reply to williamnomates:
One the one hand you're saying we're tolerant. On the other hand, you're displaying intolerance. That suggests a double standard to me.
One the one hand you're saying we're tolerant. On the other hand, you're displaying intolerance. That suggests a double standard to me.
In reply to williamnomates:
how many muslims are "from the UK" then ie born here ?
quite a few I would wager
erse
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> this is my rant " if they don't like it here, go back to where you came from and live under somebody else's flag.
> this is my rant " if they don't like it here, go back to where you came from and live under somebody else's flag.
how many muslims are "from the UK" then ie born here ?
quite a few I would wager
erse
In reply to williamnomates: I take it you didn`t pay much attention to the origin of most of the people who were interviewed.. who were all from , err, the UK.
In reply to williamnomates: So the way to deal with policies and institutions within a nation that you don't like is to, erm, leave the country? Is it entirely unacceptable to express views contrary to the status quo in the hope of achieving change - you should just 'go back to where you came from' (how does this work when a significant proportion of the dissafected Muslim population is British born and bred)? Sounds very democratic!
In reply to Liam M:
I think he may have been referring to those with more extreme views such as those that want Sharia Law, want gays banned from teaching and suppression of freedom of speech to protect their religion. These views are at complete opposition with the basic values of our nation. Unless you want the basic values of our nation to change I don't think you can make a case for any group wanting to impose such views in the hope of achieving change.
I think he may have been referring to those with more extreme views such as those that want Sharia Law, want gays banned from teaching and suppression of freedom of speech to protect their religion. These views are at complete opposition with the basic values of our nation. Unless you want the basic values of our nation to change I don't think you can make a case for any group wanting to impose such views in the hope of achieving change.
In reply to Simon22: kind of like the BNP -
These views are at complete opposition with the basic values of our nation. Unless you want the basic values of our nation to change I don't think you can make a case for any group wanting to impose such views in the hope of achieving change.
These views are at complete opposition with the basic values of our nation. Unless you want the basic values of our nation to change I don't think you can make a case for any group wanting to impose such views in the hope of achieving change.
In reply to rock waif:
Much like the BNP, extremism of another sort.
In fact the intolerance of the BNP and those muslims with extreme views are very much similar bedfellows much like the ideolgoies of Facism and Communism, whilst essentially opposed were basically in the same bed.
> (In reply to Simon22) kind of like the BNP -
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> These views are at complete opposition with the basic values of our nation. Unless you want the basic values of our nation to change I don't think you can make a case for any group wanting to impose such views in the hope of achieving change.
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> These views are at complete opposition with the basic values of our nation. Unless you want the basic values of our nation to change I don't think you can make a case for any group wanting to impose such views in the hope of achieving change.
Much like the BNP, extremism of another sort.
In fact the intolerance of the BNP and those muslims with extreme views are very much similar bedfellows much like the ideolgoies of Facism and Communism, whilst essentially opposed were basically in the same bed.
In reply to williamnomates:
As an Irishman living in Britain at the moment I can offer an outsiders view from the inside: anyone born in Britain who has benefitted from the British way of life should have loyalty to their country first and foremost.
We don't have a large Irish-born Muslim community in Ireland, but if we did and they said they did not "feel" Irish, even after reaping all the benefits of living in Ireland.....well quite frankly they could all be off to somewhere they felt more at home.
If I were British I would be highly offended by some of the views on last nights program.
As an Irishman living in Britain at the moment I can offer an outsiders view from the inside: anyone born in Britain who has benefitted from the British way of life should have loyalty to their country first and foremost.
We don't have a large Irish-born Muslim community in Ireland, but if we did and they said they did not "feel" Irish, even after reaping all the benefits of living in Ireland.....well quite frankly they could all be off to somewhere they felt more at home.
If I were British I would be highly offended by some of the views on last nights program.
In reply to williamnomates: In support, there is no way you could go to say, even a less extreme country like Pakistan, and set up white christian ghettos, living by white christian standards, giving your women the freedom an equality a christian woman expects and deserves and THEN trying to impose your christian laws on that country!
In reply to Simon22: I agree we wouldn't want Sharia law applied, but the attitude of the op seemed to come across as if you don't agree with us (or specifically what the op chose as his own particular way of wanting things) then you can just f*ck off elsewhere. I can't say that couples with the freedom and tolerance he so strongly expressed as being intrinsic to this country.
It felt like the Islamaphobic attitude that seems to becoming all too prevalent, rather than a constructive attempt to argue why any of these attributes are undesirable in our society and what should be done about the increasing number of muslim youths turning to beliefs like this.
I personally believe that unless we make deliberate attempts to open up as much as we can to these communities and discuss with them, then more young muslims will turn to such extreme believes and attitudes sucha s those expressed by the op will just perpetuate the problem. All the muslims I know who live in culturally diverse communities are very liberal - it seems to be isolation and disenfranchisement that creates extreme views (ok which is cause and which is effect may be difficult to discern, but if we make no effort we'll never achieve anything)
It felt like the Islamaphobic attitude that seems to becoming all too prevalent, rather than a constructive attempt to argue why any of these attributes are undesirable in our society and what should be done about the increasing number of muslim youths turning to beliefs like this.
I personally believe that unless we make deliberate attempts to open up as much as we can to these communities and discuss with them, then more young muslims will turn to such extreme believes and attitudes sucha s those expressed by the op will just perpetuate the problem. All the muslims I know who live in culturally diverse communities are very liberal - it seems to be isolation and disenfranchisement that creates extreme views (ok which is cause and which is effect may be difficult to discern, but if we make no effort we'll never achieve anything)
In reply to Conchur O Riain:
We don't have a large Irish-born Muslim community in Ireland, but if we did and they said they did not "feel" Irish, even after reaping all the benefits of living in Ireland.....well quite frankly they could all be off to somewhere they felt more at home.
I am a Londoner, born and raised, yet when I go to other areas of the UK, I am constantly offended by locals with their odd dialects and lack of thumbs. I can understand the desire to change places for the better.
We don't have a large Irish-born Muslim community in Ireland, but if we did and they said they did not "feel" Irish, even after reaping all the benefits of living in Ireland.....well quite frankly they could all be off to somewhere they felt more at home.
I am a Londoner, born and raised, yet when I go to other areas of the UK, I am constantly offended by locals with their odd dialects and lack of thumbs. I can understand the desire to change places for the better.
In reply to Liam M:
He made his point badly but there were people interviewed in that program with views so opposed to our basic values that I wondered why they did live in the UK. Providing they don't break the law I am happy for them hold such views but I did wonder if they would not happier somewhere where there beliefs were more catered for.
It is a 2 way thing. I sometimes think the 'white masses' (for want of a better phrase) always seem to blame ourselves when such issues are raised. Why do members of other ethnic communities not tend to hold such widespread extreme views. Certainly the afro-carriabean community is just as isolated and dis-enfranchised.
> (In reply to Simon22) I agree we wouldn't want Sharia law applied, but the attitude of the op seemed to come across as if you don't agree with us (or specifically what the op chose as his own particular way of wanting things) then you can just f*ck off elsewhere. I can't say that couples with the freedom and tolerance he so strongly expressed as being intrinsic to this country.
He made his point badly but there were people interviewed in that program with views so opposed to our basic values that I wondered why they did live in the UK. Providing they don't break the law I am happy for them hold such views but I did wonder if they would not happier somewhere where there beliefs were more catered for.
> It felt like the Islamaphobic attitude that seems to becoming all too prevalent, rather than a constructive attempt to argue why any of these attributes are undesirable in our society and what should be done about the increasing number of muslim youths turning to beliefs like this.
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> I personally believe that unless we make deliberate attempts to open up as much as we can to these communities and discuss with them, then more young muslims will turn to such extreme believes and attitudes sucha s those expressed by the op will just perpetuate the problem. All the muslims I know who live in culturally diverse communities are very liberal - it seems to be isolation and disenfranchisement that creates extreme views (ok which is cause and which is effect may be difficult to discern, but if we make no effort we'll never achieve anything)
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> I personally believe that unless we make deliberate attempts to open up as much as we can to these communities and discuss with them, then more young muslims will turn to such extreme believes and attitudes sucha s those expressed by the op will just perpetuate the problem. All the muslims I know who live in culturally diverse communities are very liberal - it seems to be isolation and disenfranchisement that creates extreme views (ok which is cause and which is effect may be difficult to discern, but if we make no effort we'll never achieve anything)
It is a 2 way thing. I sometimes think the 'white masses' (for want of a better phrase) always seem to blame ourselves when such issues are raised. Why do members of other ethnic communities not tend to hold such widespread extreme views. Certainly the afro-carriabean community is just as isolated and dis-enfranchised.
In reply to irving:
What are you on about? Or do you think Ireland is part of the UK? if so retreat to a geography book.
> (In reply to Conchur O Riain)
> We don't have a large Irish-born Muslim community in Ireland, but if we did and they said they did not "feel" Irish, even after reaping all the benefits of living in Ireland.....well quite frankly they could all be off to somewhere they felt more at home.
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> I am a Londoner, born and raised, yet when I go to other areas of the UK, I am constantly offended by locals with their odd dialects and lack of thumbs. I can understand the desire to change places for the better.
> We don't have a large Irish-born Muslim community in Ireland, but if we did and they said they did not "feel" Irish, even after reaping all the benefits of living in Ireland.....well quite frankly they could all be off to somewhere they felt more at home.
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> I am a Londoner, born and raised, yet when I go to other areas of the UK, I am constantly offended by locals with their odd dialects and lack of thumbs. I can understand the desire to change places for the better.
What are you on about? Or do you think Ireland is part of the UK? if so retreat to a geography book.
In reply to Simon22:
Certainly the afro-carriabean community is just as isolated and dis-enfranchised.
The Afro-Carribean community is also predominantly Xtian, rather than Muslim in background, though I`m sure you knew that.
Certainly the afro-carriabean community is just as isolated and dis-enfranchised.
The Afro-Carribean community is also predominantly Xtian, rather than Muslim in background, though I`m sure you knew that.
In reply to tony: I havn't an intolerant bone in my body, i've given em a choice, choice comes from tolerence and accepting that all peoples are different. Given the fact that we allow any old person here on the whole makes us very tollerent, but young disenfranchised, obviously disilushioned young muslims who rant and rave about how we live...????? what gives em the right. We don't dictate to them. we allow them to build mosque's, pray 5 times a day, wipe there arse whatever they want....yet they are still not satisfied. They can feck off to some dictator state with sharia and unjust rules, gun toting malitia who execute for fun, with sectarian killing and Anti-semitic fervour running rife, stoning adulterers and women, corporal punishment, execution, sh#t prisons, no human rights need I carry on Tony... get my point
In reply to williamnomates:
The EU is our only savour against having to accept customs, morality and distasteful practices from minority cultures.
I find any religious practices ridiculous and the whole idea more backwards than stone tools. I have no patience for people who believe in such total bollocks.
Cultural relativity my arse. I cannot see how one can be tolerant of the intolerant. For example, I cannot stomach any belief system or cultural ritual that sees a woman as anything less than equal to a man in anyway (despite my trolling posts). I think I can also be allowed to be intolerant towards religious extremists whilst still accepting some righteousness in religious texts as interpreted by moderate followers.
BTW. Although I'd like to say that I am atheist, I have had a Christian upbringing so my thoughts are usually in line with Christianity anyway.
Fex.
The EU is our only savour against having to accept customs, morality and distasteful practices from minority cultures.
I find any religious practices ridiculous and the whole idea more backwards than stone tools. I have no patience for people who believe in such total bollocks.
Cultural relativity my arse. I cannot see how one can be tolerant of the intolerant. For example, I cannot stomach any belief system or cultural ritual that sees a woman as anything less than equal to a man in anyway (despite my trolling posts). I think I can also be allowed to be intolerant towards religious extremists whilst still accepting some righteousness in religious texts as interpreted by moderate followers.
BTW. Although I'd like to say that I am atheist, I have had a Christian upbringing so my thoughts are usually in line with Christianity anyway.
Fex.
In reply to Fex Wazner:
Steady, someone will be saying you sound like the BNP......
Christian nutcases with extreme and intolerant views on gays, women and the rule of law are just as bad as the muslim variety, thankfully the former are very few and far between.
Steady, someone will be saying you sound like the BNP......
Christian nutcases with extreme and intolerant views on gays, women and the rule of law are just as bad as the muslim variety, thankfully the former are very few and far between.
In reply to Simon22:
Grief, I'm as far from the BNP as you could get. What makes you think I would be happy with a bunch of militatnt Christians ruling the roost?
Fex.
Grief, I'm as far from the BNP as you could get. What makes you think I would be happy with a bunch of militatnt Christians ruling the roost?
Fex.
In reply to Simon22:
I think that is the problem i do agree to some extent with the OP, the level of intolerance is very worrying. ANd the fact that they want to impose sharia law in britain well bollocks to them. However that said if the catholic church wanted to ban the sale of contraceptives and ban abortion in the UK i would also tell them to get fu*ked.
The intolerance and willingness of minorities to wish to impose rules on the masses is what annoys me, and yes that does apply to the government on a number of issues.
But hey the right to disagree is called free speach and thats one of the things i like about britain
I think that is the problem i do agree to some extent with the OP, the level of intolerance is very worrying. ANd the fact that they want to impose sharia law in britain well bollocks to them. However that said if the catholic church wanted to ban the sale of contraceptives and ban abortion in the UK i would also tell them to get fu*ked.
The intolerance and willingness of minorities to wish to impose rules on the masses is what annoys me, and yes that does apply to the government on a number of issues.
But hey the right to disagree is called free speach and thats one of the things i like about britain
In reply to Fex Wazner:
I don't. My post was in reference to rock waif who implied what I wrote in an earlier post (which was along the same lines as your views i.e. defending our basic values from intolerance) sounded like something the BNP would say. I think she entirely missed the point I was making.
> (In reply to Simon22)
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> Grief, I'm as far from the BNP as you could get. What makes you think I would be happy with a bunch of militatnt Christians ruling the roost?
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> Fex.
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> Grief, I'm as far from the BNP as you could get. What makes you think I would be happy with a bunch of militatnt Christians ruling the roost?
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> Fex.
I don't. My post was in reference to rock waif who implied what I wrote in an earlier post (which was along the same lines as your views i.e. defending our basic values from intolerance) sounded like something the BNP would say. I think she entirely missed the point I was making.
In reply to Graham T:
No way, you sound like the BNP too. Go on Simon start calling someone else some feeble names.
Fex.
No way, you sound like the BNP too. Go on Simon start calling someone else some feeble names.
Fex.
In reply to Fex Wazner:
Nah the BNP can get fu**ed too. Along with the ALF, the catholic church, tony blair, extremists of all faiths, george bush..... oh the list goes on but i have got to do some work
Nah the BNP can get fu**ed too. Along with the ALF, the catholic church, tony blair, extremists of all faiths, george bush..... oh the list goes on but i have got to do some work
In reply to williamnomates:
That would be the right to free speech (which is more or less intact despite the current government's best efforts).
That's people for you.
Anyway, I saw the end of the program and, yes, there were lots of crazy and frightening views expressed, most of them bigotted and warped. I guess you need to decide whether you'd rather discuss the the issues raised in the program, or continue to turn people away from your cause by ranting incoherently about 'sending them home', (a traditional fallback of the hard-of-thinking).
> ... but young disenfranchised, obviously disilushioned young muslims who rant and rave about how we live...????? what gives em the right.
That would be the right to free speech (which is more or less intact despite the current government's best efforts).
> We don't dictate to them. we allow them to build mosque's, pray 5 times a day, wipe there arse whatever they want....yet they are still not satisfied.
That's people for you.
Anyway, I saw the end of the program and, yes, there were lots of crazy and frightening views expressed, most of them bigotted and warped. I guess you need to decide whether you'd rather discuss the the issues raised in the program, or continue to turn people away from your cause by ranting incoherently about 'sending them home', (a traditional fallback of the hard-of-thinking).
In reply to Fex Wazner: I do agree with you and struggle with having tolerance with any religion which ranks women as any less than equal to men (Catholicism, some other Christian religions, some interpretations of Islam etc).
For me I can be tolerant towards some people but not towards their beliefs. Having lived in Islamic countries (without Sharia law), I know how intolerant some of those countries are to other religions, nationalities etc. I always just accepted it and showed as much respect of their beliefs as I could, as it was their country.
I think ,it is quite different when someone is British, as opposed to being resident in Britain only.
For me I can be tolerant towards some people but not towards their beliefs. Having lived in Islamic countries (without Sharia law), I know how intolerant some of those countries are to other religions, nationalities etc. I always just accepted it and showed as much respect of their beliefs as I could, as it was their country.
I think ,it is quite different when someone is British, as opposed to being resident in Britain only.
In reply to Simon22: No you entirely missed the point I was making (I think!). I was drawing parallels between the views of Muslim extremists and far right BNP extremists. The common factor being intolerance and wanting to impose a single way of life, rule of law etc on all.
Hope that clears it up.
Hope that clears it up.
In reply to Simon22:
Sorry I took offence to your ambiguous comment.
The problem is that we are broadly Christian as a nation and teh country has developed its sense of morality from that religion. It may not mean that our current attitudes and systems are completely fair, bts as has been posted above, we are not in a bad situation at all.
In reality, I can't think outside the broadly Christian box, but equality, justice and fairness should be upheld wherever possible. As to liberty, I belive that many people should have the right to do many things, but I do not think the laws should ever be changed for a minority to restrict the liberty of others.
Fex.
Sorry I took offence to your ambiguous comment.
The problem is that we are broadly Christian as a nation and teh country has developed its sense of morality from that religion. It may not mean that our current attitudes and systems are completely fair, bts as has been posted above, we are not in a bad situation at all.
In reality, I can't think outside the broadly Christian box, but equality, justice and fairness should be upheld wherever possible. As to liberty, I belive that many people should have the right to do many things, but I do not think the laws should ever be changed for a minority to restrict the liberty of others.
Fex.
In reply to steve barnbrook and others:
I suspect the OP is really saying something along the lines of, if people want to come to the UK to live then by and large they should accept the UK for what it is. And it IS a reasonably tolerant country and our laws are aimed at protecting the individual, regardless as to colour, creed, sexual persuasion etc etc. If they want to have a say in changing some things by exercising the freedom of speach we all have, then fair enough. But to actively hate the values of the country and to even sympathise with those who wish to change it through violent means is simply not on.
That would be like invading a country to effect a regime change wouldn't it....
I suspect the OP is really saying something along the lines of, if people want to come to the UK to live then by and large they should accept the UK for what it is. And it IS a reasonably tolerant country and our laws are aimed at protecting the individual, regardless as to colour, creed, sexual persuasion etc etc. If they want to have a say in changing some things by exercising the freedom of speach we all have, then fair enough. But to actively hate the values of the country and to even sympathise with those who wish to change it through violent means is simply not on.
That would be like invading a country to effect a regime change wouldn't it....
In reply to williamnomates:
You have a funny way of trying to demonstrate that notion. Tolerance allows people to hold views which may be very different to those you believe in.
Whay shouldn't thay have the right? Many of them are British citizens, with the same rights as you and I. They have the right of living in a tolerant county which allows them that right. If we withdraw that right, how can we call ourselves tolerant?
Disillusioned? Is it any wonder there is some disillusionment when so much government policy seems to demonise and alienate Muslims. (That's the view of a senior police officer, by the way.)
Well how very tolerant you are... (and it's mosques - no apostrophe needed.)
> (In reply to tony) I havn't an intolerant bone in my body,
You have a funny way of trying to demonstrate that notion. Tolerance allows people to hold views which may be very different to those you believe in.
> Given the fact that we allow any old person here on the whole makes us very tollerent, but young disenfranchised, obviously disilushioned young muslims who rant and rave about how we live...????? what gives em the right.
Whay shouldn't thay have the right? Many of them are British citizens, with the same rights as you and I. They have the right of living in a tolerant county which allows them that right. If we withdraw that right, how can we call ourselves tolerant?
Disillusioned? Is it any wonder there is some disillusionment when so much government policy seems to demonise and alienate Muslims. (That's the view of a senior police officer, by the way.)
> We don't dictate to them. we allow them to build mosque's,
Well how very tolerant you are... (and it's mosques - no apostrophe needed.)
In reply to tony:
'government policy seems to demonise and alienate Muslims. '
Nobody gave a f*ck about the Irish either.
Fex.
'government policy seems to demonise and alienate Muslims. '
Nobody gave a f*ck about the Irish either.
Fex.
In reply to tony: (and it's mosques - no apostrophe needed.) ???????
I'm sorry mate but you should spell check before you reply and pick my grammer up.
i.e Whay shouldn't thay have the right? no "a" in (why), and it's an "e" in (they) not an "a"...
I'm sorry mate but you should spell check before you reply and pick my grammer up.
i.e Whay shouldn't thay have the right? no "a" in (why), and it's an "e" in (they) not an "a"...
In reply to williamnomates:
You're absolutely right about the extra as. Thank you - I do usually try to check my posts. There's still no apostrophe needed in mosques.
Anyway - young Muslims have the same rights as you and I. As British citizens, why shouldn't they have those rights? Since when did citizenship require everyone to think the same way?
You're absolutely right about the extra as. Thank you - I do usually try to check my posts. There's still no apostrophe needed in mosques.
Anyway - young Muslims have the same rights as you and I. As British citizens, why shouldn't they have those rights? Since when did citizenship require everyone to think the same way?
In reply to Fex Wazner: I did mate, I hated the troubles. I have family in the south and was posted to Belfast in 88 and it was sh#t......
In reply to Conchur O Riain:
I think many of "us" are but, unfortunately, too many people are so right on they can't actually see how unacceptable those views are.
In saying "us" I really do mean anyone living in the UK who feels that Britain is the country they want to call home and whose values they largely accept.
> If I were British I would be highly offended by some of the views on last nights program.
I think many of "us" are but, unfortunately, too many people are so right on they can't actually see how unacceptable those views are.
In saying "us" I really do mean anyone living in the UK who feels that Britain is the country they want to call home and whose values they largely accept.
In reply to williamnomates:
My Irish mates were picked up all the time even though they were only teenagers. Nobody seemed to stand up to this, but the Irish never even had the protection of a 'racial' status against authorities picking on them.
Respect to you for your service, I hope you managed to be fair and just throughout your time there.
Fex.
My Irish mates were picked up all the time even though they were only teenagers. Nobody seemed to stand up to this, but the Irish never even had the protection of a 'racial' status against authorities picking on them.
Respect to you for your service, I hope you managed to be fair and just throughout your time there.
Fex.
In reply to tony:
I think that the views expressed amounted to sedition (to use a rather old fashioned word). If you or I said those things, I would hope that other found them unacceptable. I don't see the fact they are Muslim as being anything to do with it. It's not who said it, it's what was said.
I think that the views expressed amounted to sedition (to use a rather old fashioned word). If you or I said those things, I would hope that other found them unacceptable. I don't see the fact they are Muslim as being anything to do with it. It's not who said it, it's what was said.
In reply to tony: Freedom of speech is figurative to a point, there are new laws and new definitions of older laws in power since 911. Freedoms are granted by a higher power i.e the government and houses (upper and lower) parliments and historical law and as such you and I enjoy the benefits of such liberal and benign times.
Religious fervour and separatism go hand in hand and eventually lead to mistrust and hatred.
As a british citizen I have a love for my country my Queen and my way of life.. My way of life is historical, to the fact my family have been here for generations and intergrated into this land and culture.
The disilusioned muslim doesn't want to intergrate feels alianated and mistrusts all around him apart from his Fellow Muslim.
They have our rights, our laws to protect them and freedoms like we do. So what is their problem??
Can they not bring themselves to trust and intergrate like fellow migrant groups. Anybody can make a good home for themselves here.
Like I said earlier... If you don't like the UK, move away to where you feel most comfortable.
I'm not taking there freedoms away infact they have more of a choice..
Religious fervour and separatism go hand in hand and eventually lead to mistrust and hatred.
As a british citizen I have a love for my country my Queen and my way of life.. My way of life is historical, to the fact my family have been here for generations and intergrated into this land and culture.
The disilusioned muslim doesn't want to intergrate feels alianated and mistrusts all around him apart from his Fellow Muslim.
They have our rights, our laws to protect them and freedoms like we do. So what is their problem??
Can they not bring themselves to trust and intergrate like fellow migrant groups. Anybody can make a good home for themselves here.
Like I said earlier... If you don't like the UK, move away to where you feel most comfortable.
I'm not taking there freedoms away infact they have more of a choice..
In reply to JonC:
Not a single person on this thread has said they agreed with the views expressed in that program, only that they have a right to hold them. Is that too hard to understand?
> I think many of "us" are but, unfortunately, too many people are so right on they can't actually see how unacceptable those views are.
Not a single person on this thread has said they agreed with the views expressed in that program, only that they have a right to hold them. Is that too hard to understand?
In reply to Simon22:
Oi! I heard that, be mindful young padawan.
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Oi! I heard that, be mindful young padawan.
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