In reply to pec:
> So its their parents that are failing them and then the children go on to fail their children and so on. Its not the state that's failing them.
When a child's parents fail them badly the state is supposed to step in and ensure the welfare of the children. So it is entirely possible for both the parents and the state to fail.
You go on yourself to explain that - in your view - it's impossible for the state to ensure the welfare of traveller's children. So you yourself suggest that the state fails! Yet you tell me it doesn't...
If the state fails victims of a legally defined race in a highly disproportionate way, then there is racism at play. It may be unintentional, and it may be largely due to the inability of the state to adapt to the unusual characteristics of that group.
> Why are you asking me this? Its Wintertree who feels we should be keeping tabs on all the gypsy kids to ensure the state doesn't 'fail' them.
Just like the state keeps tabs on all settled children to ensure they have a minimum level of welfare. Comprende?
> If that has consequences for their health and education etc then that's their problem not mine, but I don't see why we as a society should run around after them (at great expense) trying to ensure they have equitable life outcomes when its their lifestyle choice to not have them.
Because we as a society are legally and morally bound to ensure a minimum level of child welfare and to protect all people from violence.
> What do I object to [...] generally acting as if they are above the law because the police are too scared to deal with them because the bleeding hearts brigade will be up in arms about it on their behalf.
Funny because you object vociferously when I suggest that the law is applied to them in terms of child welfare and to protect victims of violence (domestic abuse). So you want to be angry at them for the fact the state finds it difficult to apply the law to them, but you also want to be angry about the state applying the law to look after their children?
You seem very confused.
Post edited at 03:00