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/ Legal immigrants: Life made hell - 'Hostile Environment' policy

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Timmd on 21 Sep 2017
Read the details here. Even if you're here legally as a none UK born citizen, life is being made harder to make you want to leave, and bring down immigration numbers.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/18/fighting-the-home-office-womans-traumatic-two-year-b...

What a country this is becoming.

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pec on 21 Sep 2017
In reply to Timmd:

The nub of the problem is this

"All of my experiences show how disorganised the Home Office is; officers don’t know immigration rules."

Its not really got anything to do with Brexit, her problems started before we'd even held the referendum.
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Timmd on 21 Sep 2017
In reply to pec:

Well spotted.
Billhook - on 21 Sep 2017
In reply to Timmd:

The Home Office appear only want to use rules. Not common sense.
Dax H - on 21 Sep 2017
In reply to Timmd:

Just like from time to time the system falls down and stops a British born citizens benefits.
There are around 2 million legal working non EU immigrants in the UK.
Occasionally shit happens and unfortunately where the civil service is involved common sense is not allowed to be deployed.
It's not a policy to cut immigration.
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Ridge - on 21 Sep 2017
In reply to Dax H:

> Occasionally shit happens and unfortunately where the civil service is involved common sense is not allowed to be deployed.

Note the Crapita letterhead on the documents. It's probably the usual ineptitude rather than deliberate policy. That doesn't make it any less traumatic though.
RomTheBear on 21 Sep 2017
In reply to Dax H:
> Just like from time to time the system falls down and stops a British born citizens benefits.

> There are around 2 million legal working non EU immigrants in the UK.

> Occasionally shit happens and unfortunately where the civil service is involved common sense is not allowed to be deployed.

There is a bit of a difference between having your benefits stopped by mistake and having to wake up every morning knowing that immigration officers could knock at your door any day to put you in immigration detention for removal and separate you from your family, even though you've done nothing wrong.

> It's not a policy to cut immigration.

No, it's a policy to make the environment as unwelcoming and as hostile as possible for foreigners.
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tom_in_edinburgh - on 22 Sep 2017
In reply to Timmd:

The thing that amazes me is how quickly a concern about a wave of immigration from war zones in North Africa got turned by the Home Office into an insanely hard line against Europeans, Americans, Australians and Japanese people.

Obviously it doesn't matter to the Home Office whether their threatening letters are persuading EU Doctors to chuck in their jobs with the NHS or Polish researchers to leave a UK University or whether the people they persuade to leave were perfectly entitled to stay in the UK: every person that leaves is one person closer to Theresa May's stupid target.




RomTheBear on 22 Sep 2017
In reply to Dave Perry:
> The Home Office appear only want to use rules. Not common sense.

They don't even follow rules. They act outside of the rules in total impunity it seems.
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timjones - on 22 Sep 2017
In reply to Dave Perry:

> The Home Office appear only want to use rules. Not common sense.


I presume that you are happy for them to use "common sense" over rules both directions?
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Billhook - on 22 Sep 2017
In reply to timjones:

Perhaps the rules need changing so that they incorporate common sense.

How can they justify sending back to the Philippines a woman who'd been married to a local guy for 28 years, living in Newcastle. But apparantly she'd spent too much time looking after her mother who still lives in the philippines. So she was deported despite the fact that she'd got youngish children and her only home was with her English husband in Newcastle.

Then reported in the press this last week was the case of the youngster from |Afghanistan who'd come here as asylum seeker, spent much of his life here. But no they sent him back even though the high court had told the Home Office three times that they were wrong to do so. Luckily I think he's back in the UK, to continue his university education. (He was wanted by the taliban as he'd worked for of the companies that did contract work for either the Americans or the UK)

A little common sense is needed especially as you can arrive here, get someone pregnant, break the law, get hauled up in the courts and then because of their 'Human Rights' to have a 'family life', be granted permission to stay.

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