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Lose your illusions. Its and ugly dytopian world.

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Removed User 16 Oct 2018

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/khashoggi-column-1.4863809

About as blunt an appraisal of the situation as I've read in a while.

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 DerwentDiluted 16 Oct 2018
In reply to Removed User:

It always was. We in the west just got so horrified by WW2 that we kidded ourselves for a few decades. 

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Removed User 16 Oct 2018
In reply to Removed User:

What I meant to type was:

Lose your illusions. Its an ugly dystopian world.

 Stichtplate 16 Oct 2018
In reply to Removed User:

> Its an ugly dystopian world.

 Maybe, but it's better than it was. The human race is making progress, in a ramshackle, half-arsed manner.

 

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Deadeye 16 Oct 2018
In reply to Removed User:

> What I meant to type was:

> Lose your illusions. Its an ugly dystopian world.


No, what you *really* meant to say was:

"Lose your illusions. It's an ugly dystopian world."

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Removed User 16 Oct 2018
In reply to Deadeye:

> No, what you *really* meant to say was:

> "Lose your illusions. It's an ugly dystopian world."


Yes.

In reply to Stichtplate:

> > Its an ugly dystopian world.

>  Maybe, but it's better than it was. The human race is making progress, in a ramshackle, half-arsed manner.

But it's started to go sharply backwards (in the western world) over the last five years or so. Anyone who thinks this crippling nonsense is 'progress' in any meaningful sense has their head in the sand.

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 SenzuBean 17 Oct 2018
In reply to Stichtplate:

> > Its an ugly dystopian world.

>  Maybe, but it's better than it was. The human race is making progress, in a ramshackle, half-arsed manner.

We have made some progress in certain areas (human rights, literacy rates, access to water, child mortality), but then gone drastically backwards in other ways (closeness to climate catastrophe, species extinction rates). In my opinion, the severity of an impending climate catastrophe and our collective lack of action outweigh our improvements in human rights. Then you also look at things like happiness data, and it really makes one wonder if it really was worth it. It's quite ironic that many people's retirement plans are to move to the country and grow their own food - which is what everyone was doing in the first place!

The American investment banker was at the pier of a
small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with
just one fisherman docked.

Inside the small boat were several large yellow fin tuna.
The American complimented the Mexican on the quality
of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.

The Mexican replied, “Only a little while.”

The American then asked, “Why didn’t you stay out longer
and catch more fish?”

The Mexican said, “With this I have more than enough to support my family’s needs.”

The American then asked, “But what do you do with the rest of your time?”

The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos, I have a full and busy life.”

The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing; and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat: With the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats. Eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the
processor; eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then Los Angeles and eventually New York where you will run your ever-expanding enterprise.”

The Mexican fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?”

To which the American replied, “15 to 20 years.”

“But what then?” asked the Mexican.

The American laughed and said that’s the best part. “When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions.”

“Millions?…Then what?”

The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”

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In reply to Removed User:

Have a read of Factfulness, by the wonderful Hans Rosling (RIP) to cheer yourself back up about the world:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0769XK7D6/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF...

 Toccata 17 Oct 2018
In reply to SenzuBean:

Classic Marxist humour (and good it is too).

 drolex 17 Oct 2018
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

I would argue that it started to go backwards after 9/11: war in Afghanistan and Iraq with flimsy motives, torture made standard (to the point Obama didn't close Gitmo), migrants "retention" from Australia to France to the US, systemic surveillance of the population by government agencies (thanks Snowden by the way), spreading of political violence and populisms, security theater everywhere eroding civil liberties, ...

 

 Stichtplate 17 Oct 2018
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

> But it's started to go sharply backwards (in the western world) over the last five years or so. Anyone who thinks this crippling nonsense is 'progress' in any meaningful sense has their head in the sand.

I'd agree with you, to a limited extent, about the last 5 years but what's 5 years in the scheme of things? The current White House incumbent is undoubtedly baffoonish with a terrible attitude towards women but compare with the 60's when the sainted JFK brought the world to the brink of Armageddon and treated a long list of women, from film stars to 18 year old interns, as little more than disposable sex toys, to be used and then passed around his family and cronies.

As far as the environment goes, when I was a kid in the 80's forests across the northern hemisphere were being killed by acid rain and the average river, in an industrialised country, stank to high heaven and was almost completely devoid of life. We might be staring down the barrel of climate change but it's heartening how big a part of the Global agenda it's become, despite it's imperceptible year on year changes being easily ignorable by the usual vested interests with their typically short term goals.

Social progress doesn't need me as a cheerleader. We are worlds away from where we were just 40 years ago.

If you want to look at a Dystopian World you'd be better served picking up a history book rather than a newspaper.

 wintertree 17 Oct 2018
In reply to SenzuBean:

Stripped of nationality, as with many self employed workers, what the fisherman in your story really needs is a decent independant financial adviser to help them plan for their retirement.  

Throw in the American nationality of the MBA and working hard to earn > $1 m *is* retirement planning.  There’s no way I would consider retiring in the USA without at least $1 m cash.  With their health care system it’s a lottery to retire without it.

Far better to avoid everyone hoarding cash for the medical care lottery and to pool resources and socialise health care, but that’s another story.

 

 gravy 17 Oct 2018
In reply to wintertree:

Probably also better not to strip the sea of tuna - the MBA vision is either naively of unlimited resources or greed in the face of f*cking things up for everyone else so long as I'm alright Jack


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