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Gaze Of The Gorgon

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 Al Evans 18 Mar 2003
Does anybody else think this route should be in the Portland Heights area, its really easy to get to from there compared to the access from Pregnant Pause area (which needs avoiding because of the bloody Peregine anyhow.

Also in this area has anybody done Valerian 5+, it claims to be one of the best 5's on the Island. Oh and while I'm at it anybody done Best Destiny 4+ round here too?
 Nic 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Al Evans:

Valerian and Best Destiny? Don't know these - are they new routes? My sources tell me that the "new 5" in the Pregnant Pause area is extremely loose and to be avoided - is this the same route?

Nic
OP Al Evans 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Nic: They are in the update
 steve taylor 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Al Evans:

Gaze of the Gorgon should be in the same sector as Portland Heights - don't know why Pete put it where it is. Hopefully it's location will make sense in the CC guide.

If you could get some of the picnicers to give these new routes a go, then let me know what they are like.

I'll be out on Sunday - have you got a mobile so I can try to meet up with you?
Pete Church 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Al Evans:

Do not do Valerian, it is the WORST route on Portland and should be de-bolted. The rock is extremely poor in this area and this route is no exception, only a small part near the top is on tufa, but this is brittle and has not been cleaned.

The area between Pregnant Pause and Long Walk has not been developed, for this very reason. So to put a new route up in this location is completely irresponsible.
OP Al Evans 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Pete Church: I'm suprised, hasnt Wardy done some reasonable routes around the place?
ben stokes 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Pete Church:
> (In reply to Al Evans)
>
> Do not do Valerian, it is the WORST route on Portland and should be de-bolted.

Really? I was lead to believe this was a fine route. Apologies for suggesting otherwise in the update if what Pete says is true...
OP Al Evans 18 Mar 2003
In reply to ben stokes: Yeh, it gets 2 stars in the update and suggests its one of the best 5's on the Island????
ben stokes 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Al Evans:

That's what it said in the document Wardy sent to Alan. No one had repeated it at the time and I felt it was only right to stick with the info supplied by the FA. If the description is really that off I think it sould be either altered in the update or made public...
OP Al Evans 18 Mar 2003
In reply to ben stokes: One of us obviously has to be a Sacrificial Lamb and check it out, I'll see if I can get on it this weekend if somebody will hold my rope.
Mick Ward 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Pete Church:

‘Do not do Valerian, it is the WORST route on Portland’ Hey, if it’s that bad, it’s gotta be good! Let’s all do it!!

‘and should be de-bolted’ A tad Fascist, surely?

‘only a small part near the top is on tufa’ My memory (which gets ever more defective by the day!) is that this section is about 30% to 40% of the route and brilliantly positioned. But I could easily be crazy. Probably am.

‘but this is brittle’ I really don’t think so.

‘and has not been cleaned’. Totally untrue. I cleaned it.

‘So to put a new route up in this location is completely irresponsible’ Bollocks!

Mick Ward 18 Mar 2003
In reply to ben stokes:


Ben, I take your concerns (and those of Al Evans), much more seriously than the comments made by Pete Church.
I’ve always operated on a basis of strict honesty
between climbers. Last year, I did 11 new routes on Portland. Initially I couldn’t be bothered to write them up; in the end, I only did so when other climbers nagged me. This year, I’ve done 4 new routes. Again I’ve not rushed into print. I certainly wouldn’t be entering this forum if my good name hadn’t been called into question.

Of the 15 new routes done so far, I’ve made claims for quality for only 4. ‘The Black Spot’, VS 4b, was shite, so that’s a negative claim! Other people reckoned ‘Cinema Paradiso’ was, “highly enjoyable”, so I put that in (but didn’t suggest a star). The second and second ascentionist both raved about ‘Ocean Rock’ (as did I) and I suggested 3 stars. I thought it was 7a. The second ascentionist (Aaron) could reach holds I couldn’t and suggested 6c+ so that’s what it became. In grading of difficulty and quality, I’ve tried to be as responsible as humanly possible. I would never ‘talk up’ a route just because I did it. I’m not that kind of person.

Now to ‘Valerian’. Yes, despite extensive cleaning, the lower wall still felt friable when I did it – but no more so than routes on, say Coastguard South, Gogarth or Cloggy. The upper wall (which is almost like a second pitch) was a dream of tufa ‘Superb flowstone on the upper wall,’ was the descriptive comment, by which I totally stand. ‘One of the best Grade 5,s on the island’ was my judgement, now in acrimonious dispute. There are 6 Grade 5 routes in the graded list in the guidebook. Slings Shot will always be by far the best. But I honestly feel that Valerian’s beautifully positioned upper wall makes it a better route than, say, The Sod. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong and I’ll be the first to admit it.
Mick Ward 18 Mar 2003
In reply to Al Evans:

Good man yourself! I will entirely abide by your verdict.
And, if you don't feel it would prejudice the proceedings,
I'll volunteer to hold your rope for you (bird ban permitting). Or you can hold my rope. Or we can both hold Pete Church's...

I'm on 01305 826366. Best wishes.

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