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Does "send" apply exclusively to successful ascents of boulder problems and sport routes, or can one "send" a trad route?

In reply to bpmclimb:

Yes.

In reply to SteveoS: Where can you send it to?

In reply to Chambers:

Enquire at your local post office.

In reply to bpmclimb:

I can honestly say, i have only ever heard the term send used in relation to climbing on Interweb forums and blogs. Never once in the real world. Not even ironically.

Whether its use is actually acceptable should be voted on at the next BMC area meeting. Until then its use should be stopped unless you are Under 25 and climbing f9a minimum.

In reply to Choss:

Common in the US. You need to be more rad, dude.

In reply to Offwidth:

Might sound not too offensive in Californian dirtbag type drawl?

But in heavy Bristolian or Brummie say. No No and No.

In reply to Choss: I'm pretty sanguine on "send" now just like I can handle calling my waterproof trousers "pants" without sniggering (much) anymore. We live in globalized world and climbing is to some extent a global subculture. There's a big fashion amongst educated, hipster-ish, NPR-listening-type Americans to use British expressions so it goes both ways.

I must admit I am having my patience tested currently by American climber fashion to use alpine as noun not an adjective. Although I totally failed to get a rise out of Andrew Bisharat on twitter suggesting this, after he wrote he was looking forward to getting "back into the alpine" the other week.

In reply to bpmclimb:

C8nts have the ability to send anything.

In reply to TobyA:

It's more of a noun than an adjective.

In reply to bpmclimb:

right, walk the dog down River, couple of pints for Lunch, then if the rain holds off, i may Allez to my local blocs for some sending with bon Effort.

Failing that may just go bouldering at local crag.

In reply to Jonny2vests:


In what way beyond, according to my dictionary, a type of butterfly or family of plants?

In reply to TobyA and Jonny2vests:

Use of "Alpine" in this context is that of an adjectival noun, more often called a noun adjunct or attributive noun.

So I guess you are both right. Whether you like its use in this manner is another matter.

In reply to BnB:

Could it not be either an adjective or adjectival noun, depending on context?

'Alpine' means Alp-like, i.e. like the Alps. It would always go just before the noun, e.g. Alpine start. 'Getting back into the Alpine' is nonsensical as the noun is missing - it should be getting back into the Alpine stuff, Alpine starts etc.

On the other hand you could say something looks Alpine though.

In reply to Michael Gordon:

What the hell are you guys on about?

It is used both as a verb, (to) send it (dude)

and as a noun, woah, great send (dude).

It has never been, and never will be an adjective (sendy?) or an adverb (sendily?) or anything else!

In reply to Jon Stewart: The weather can be described as "sendy"...coldish, dry, breezy. Prime sandstone sending conditions.

In reply to Kirriemuir:

Oh God.

In reply to Jon Stewart:

It can so be an adjective.

As in, "I can hear the send train coming."

"Choo choo."

In reply to bpmclimb:

"that route sends really well"

In reply to Michael Gordon:

It's not really nonsensical as the Romans used this grammatical form - I can remember having to translate J. Caesar's accounts of his punch-ups with foreigners using this kind of construction.

I suppose the word Alpine means "of or pertaining to the Alps" and you just have to assume the noun "things" which allows you to infer any suitable noun - e.g. activities or mountaineering or some form of gardening.

In reply to bpmclimb:

This just in. BMC agree the terms send, sent, and sending can be used in the south west area.

However, to Prevent this Becoming the thin end of the climbing Grammar edge, its use must be restricted to the regions gritstone.

Oh, and all tight fitting woolly type hats should have a Bobble.

In reply to wercat:

Yes. But what did he ever do on grit?

In reply to Jon Stewart:

The adjectival form of send would be "sent" not "sendy", as in "sent problems"
The gerund (verbal noun) is "the sent", as in that rather good French ALPINE tv show "The Returned". You could split your challenges into "the sents" and "the ascents". Sorry, I'll get my coat.

In reply to Chambers:

Sendvile of course.

In reply to wercat:

just because Caesar did something, doesnt Mean its right. Mostly wrong in fact.

Besides, he came to Britain Twice and got his arse kicked both Times. The weather was too sendy for him.

On the whole alpine thing, i reckon you either want to get Back either

To the alps
To alpine climbing
Or
To alpinism

Not to the alpine. regardless of grammar rules that just Sounds silly

In reply to Choss: Quite right!

In reply to bpmclimb:

Hello BPM0A ti 0A send k

In reply to bpmclimb:

Ive checked the holy Books: Fawcett on rock, and, rock Athlete.

Big Ron climbed many things, but never once sent anything!

Therefore, in the UK, Thou shalt always Climb, never send!

That is surely the Final word on the Matter?

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In reply to bpmclimb:

"He sendly walked up the route, with sendliferous ease."

""That send went without unsending sentiment", he exclaimed"

Disrespectful, lazy word, which identifies people as total cockwombles.

In reply to Franco Cookson:

Unlike "cockwomble" which presumably isn't disrespectful or lazy?

'Send' is just a word to describe making a successful ascent... can't believe the fuss. Climbing is full of slang and community specific terms.

In reply to JIMBO:

"Cockwomble" is disrespectful, but it isn't lazy. It's creative and exuberant. Good work Franco!

In reply to Jon Stewart:

Youre Heathens!

I Declared send is not acceptable in Britain, quoting climbing holy Scripture. Yet still you quibble?

Oh where are the true believers?

On Lord of the Flies did Ron disciple say can you send it? NO, he said will it go?


Ps cockwomble is my Second favourite leftfield insult of the year. After the person who called David Cameron a "box of Wanker"

In reply to Franco Cookson: hey dude I remember like when you could barely write with words and now you d'emperor of adjectivalness ya know. Sweet.

In reply to Offwidth:

Surreal!

In reply to JIMBO:

Can't believe you're taking it so seriously.

In reply to TobyA:

It's very common round these parts for climbers and skiers to refer to the 'local alpine' as the area above the tree line. Alpine is a region, demarcated by height and trees, therefore a noun, no? (I'm not especially good at this game btw).

In reply to Jonny2vests:

Yeah, it's an adjective being used as a noun in a way that grates horribly on grammar-Nazis (which is a tendancy I have but try to suppress as it makes me into a hypocrite since I'm always using 'less' and 'fewer' incorrectly). When I worked in the Border Agency, we always used to talk about "illegals" [illegal workers] and that grated horribly too.

In reply to Jonny2vests:

The Alps is a region. You could talk about an Alpine landscape but not an Alpine.

In reply to Jonny2vests:

But this is UK Climbing, not Canada.

As an aside. Alps arent mountains at all. Theyre Meadows Below mountains.

In reply to Jon Stewart:

Many should have used less fewer.

In reply to Michael Gordon:

No, not an alpine, the alpine.

In reply to Jonny2vests:


Which would seem to confirm the prejudice of my now sadly deceased Great Aunty Betty from Halifax (Nova Scotia, not West Yorks) that all her fellow Canadians west of the French speaking ones were a bit too suspiciously like the neighbours to the south!

In reply to Choss:

But having Alpine ranges arguably makes them more qualified to use it than Brits.

Who said anything about mountains?

In reply to Jonny2vests:

Disagree. There is the alps, alpine Climbing, alpine skiing, alpine walking, alpine flora, alpine fauna, alpinism.

But no the alpine. just doesnt Scan over here

In reply to Jonny2vests:

Canada doesnt have any alpine ranges. Theyre a European geographic area.

Canada has ranges of a similar geographic Nature with Apparently no colloquial nomenclature, so locals have coopted the Term alpine to describe them.

In reply to Choss:

Sorry. locals was wrong Term for Canada.

should have said non indigenous Immigrants. locals would refer to first Nation people.

In reply to Jonny2vests:

Equally nonsensical

In reply to Choss:

'Locals' are just anyone living in the immediate area, i.e. the locality. You can move to an area and become a local and have shops etc local to you.

In reply to Michael Gordon:

I get that. But it doesnt wear well in a post Colonial context. Im Sure many first nation Americans and Australians would disagree with you.

By that definition, moving into an area makes you a local. Australian first nation people are still fighting to get their ancestors Remains returned From British universities. They were stolen by the new Australian locals of the Time. Ie British colonialists, who are still fighting to keep the remains using science as their excuse.

So. Anyone who Lives on my estate is a local. But in post colonial Canada etc it Takes on a different Meaning

In reply to Choss:

I wonder if you are confusing 'local' with 'native'? The term 'local' should be entirely free from controversy, being a purely geographical term like 'global'.

In reply to Michael Gordon:

In a UK context they Mean different than to Other cultures. Its easy for us to Apply grammar. Intent and Meaning of Terms Means different things to different people.

Except send, or to alpine, Which is always wrong 7;^)

In reply to Franco Cookson:

Surely the correct syntax is "send up" rather than "sendly... up"?

In reply to Choss:

It's the English language so I think what the Brits say, goes. If others want to interpret the words incorrectly I guess that's up to them!

In reply to Michael Gordon:

Don't forget the Arrochar Alps to the North West of Glasgow. Routes on the Cobbler are all Alpine.

In reply to Choss:
Its better to send a boulder (problem) rather than crushing it, at least it remains for future generations. Also for mountain bikers riding a trail is better than shredding it.

In reply to Offwidth:

Sage innit. Struggling through my disslex here.

In reply to bpmclimb:

I prefer the threads with unnecessary or excessive maths to this word/grammar game thing.

In reply to Choss:

That is one definition, you know full well that it is commonly used outside of Europe. Anyone know how the OED defines it?

Avalanche and weather forecasters here and all over often use Alpine as a noun.

In reply to Franco Cookson:

Word.

In reply to bpmclimb:

Daft term.

In reply to bpmclimb:

I always assumed that "send" was short for "ascend". Fair?

In reply to Jamie B:

Pretty sure it originates via 'dispatch', as in 'despite the high grade he dispatched it in quick time'

For a short time the yanks would also say "Fax it, dude!"

In reply to Jamie B:

Maybe so. Never occurred to me, I have to admit.

In reply to john arran: Now THAT needs to be reintroduced. It has a certain retro old skool appeal to it. "What an awesome fax!" "He tried to fax it but just got an answerphone." "He was halfway through the fax and almost had to replace the ink cartridge but luckily it held out."