In reply to DingBat:
> Having just returned from Font it’s great to see how well this thread is continuing to bump along, and yes, having read with interest the other megaphones' diatribe I am increasingly convinced that this is the biggest access issue the BMC faces whether you like it or not.
> Sabon (in Fontainebleau) has a similar number of parking spaces to harrison's, and on sunday a similar number of visitors, but step a few feet out of the car park and the woods are a mass of toilet paper, flies and human excrement.
> The demise of the toilet facilities at Harrison’s caused by the flat footed short sighted BMC would lead to exactly the same outcome (pun?), the only difference between us and the French being that Wealdon Council would not allow the type of environmental impact the French accept and would close the car park on H&S grounds.
> The next thing that will happen is that climbers will park in passing places and driveways chewing up the verges’ causing all manner of other environmental impact. When all this comes to pass the BMC will be called to account by members and other stakeholders.
> As for democracy, we all know it’s possible to be elected as the President of a National Body on the votes of less than 1% of the membership, but we do hope that this doesn’t mean it makes (absolutely) everything he says is worthless. In situations like this the clever ones do more listening to passionate ordinary members than thugging their viewpoints across the internet.
Stop shitting everywhere. Educate people, other crags don't have toilets, they're popular but not full of shit. It's amazing but true. Come up and climb in north Wales/peak district, a shit free zone, fairy tale stuff.