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Got something on my news feed that I can't read but it implies backpacking campsite closure in Yosemite. Is this impacting Camp 4.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/yosemite-hikers-face-chaos-key-...

That's the article... you have to subscribe or agree to cookies. What do they say?

if you refuse (or maybe decline) cookies, you can still read the article.

If it's the 'backpackers campground' that's a separate thing to camp 4. Situated more up near the pines campgrounds.

Try this link then:

https://archive.ph/1phAe

Or you could just agree to the cookies - nothing bad will happen. Or open the original link in a private browser tab, where any cookies you accept will be deleted when you close the tab.

Indeed. However the article says camp 4 hold only 36 people which sounds inaccurate from memory.

How on earth do you read anything on the Internet without agreeing to cookies? 

It says that 6 oitches at Camp 4 will be allocated to replace the backpackers campground which equals 36 people at 6 per pitch.

Well given the option for websites I’m unsure of I typically decline or take the option to customise and then decline.

Sorry but I tried and It didn't let me do that. It's a pretty important development and I wanted to be clear on what it was.

Pretty much any decent organisation allows you to reject all but essential cookies on at least limited number of views.

The archive links take a while to be available in my experience. So I don't bother looking unless I can wait a day. 

However, thanks for the link. I think the article is pretty accurate if backpacking spaces are limited to 36 spaces in Camp 4: it's a pretty disastrous outcome for the backpacking community. It will also reduce space on Camp 4 for those normally looking to use that site. Most of the time I've spent in Yosemite maybe 15 trips from the 90s there were a good number of sites which had at least some non bookable places (and rules were often loosely applied) by my last trip it was only Camp4, a couple of no facility sites and on the wall (the latter now requiring a permit).

You can just archive it yourself and it usually only takes a couple of minutes. Do you need ant help with the remote too whilst we’re here?

Possibly you have another software running that you need to turn off to allow a non subscriber to read it. Possibly you did not read the pop up.

Do you mean via the archive.[is, ph, ...] sites? If so, I am quite suspicious of those. Who runs and funds them? For whose benefit? And how do we know that they might not be used as fronts for sophisticated malware?

Plus it's a free country. I'm not the only one who only wants to agree to essential cookies most places online.

The great thing about this site is someone usually knows answers; the sad thing is those who feel the need to get personal, especially about such trivia.

It is certainly going to reduce the number of available spaces at Camp 4 unless they put some new ones in for this purpose

However Im not sure that it will cause a major issue for backpackers.  There rarely seemed to be many people on the backpackers site. Their toilets were always sparkling clean and you could doss in one for the whole night without being disturbed

Not that I'm going to be travelling to the States anytime soon but I wouldn't mind trying like the John Muir trail sometime. Would these closures affect this trail?

Don't know about those other ones you've mentioned, but The Internet Archive (archive.org) is a well-known and very long-established* non-profit based in the US. I couldn't name many internet sites that I'd consider more trustworthy. Which isn't to say they could never be subverted or hacked, just that they're a better bet than most.

*By the standards of Internet-related organisations, it was set up in 1996

I know that. But archive.org has nothing to do with archive.[is, ph, ...], and it is those latter sites which are commonly used in order to circumvent newspaper firewalls. But I am not sure exactly which archive site(s) seankenny was referring to - hence my question to him.

E2A: 'archive.today' is another branch of the same operation. Google for it all, and you will see what I mean. It is all very shadowy.