In reply to
shark: Well, not disputing 8a+ is never the same as confirming that it's 8a+! Just because a route is intimidating, and feels 8a+ when you're up there boning the hell out of mini-jugs doesn't mean it is the grade!
Anyway I thought it couldn't be as Pete and I were close to doing it ground up in about 2 deg C in December with the entire crack section being soaking wet. We might like a cracks, but we're not much good!
Alan Cassidy also said he thought it would be 7c+, which is what my take on it is.