Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings this time. The temperatures have been a little bit warmer than we might have liked and the snow & ice are slowly melting away. A quick check from the roadside this afternoon up into Cwm Glas (in the Pass) showed that there's still a bit on Face Route & in the upper cwm (Parsley Fern area) but it's patchy & less than I'd hoped for: you'd be lucky to string a line out of it. All the lower stuff has gone. I think it would be fair to assume that Idwal would be similarly affected. If it's any comfort, the air is crystal clear & the views superb at the moment, if you're content to walk. Hopefully winter is not done yet!
Colder again next week and this time it looks like the turf high up has stayed frozen (and the rock will be cold as well), so things should come in quickly, at least for the mixed. Bound to be mega next weekend as I’m not free!
Thanks very comprehensive and useful. Think the brief inversion has put paid to the ice for this spell.
Can anyone provide any information at this time?
Climbed on Glyder Fach today, some ice, turf was well frozen above 900m, rock was rimed up high. Not much consolidated snow. Rain at all levels forecasted for Sunday.
Super day out on Crib Goch NW face today. Bomber turf, lots of hoar, lots of snow. But unfortunately the forecast is set to turn tomorrow.
We were out on Senior's ridge as all the Devils kitchen ice routes basically weren't. The turf was only frozen high up. Sounds like you had a better day of it!
I've just added a photo to my UKC library that will show the conditions soon. No views and it was snowing heavy wet flakes on us all day, but the climb itself was superb.
Looks like a cracking route! Yeah, we had really wet snow dumped on us all day too. I think we picked the wrong area: all the rock/mixed routes in the Ogwyn area were either easy ridges or just beyond us.
Out walking on the Glyderau today (Y Garn, Foel Goch & Elidir Fawr) with stunning views in all directions. There was heaps of snow above 700m, heavily frozen puddles, exposed turf frozen and some tricky frozen sections on North facing slopes: a big change from earlier in the week. Clogwyn Du's gone from black to white in 24 hours! I got the impression from the snowline that there had been some gentle thawing over the course of the day but it felt pretty cold even in the village. The MWIS forecast for the week ahead is looking very promising so if you're free you might want to head up this way.
I must have been following you on Y Garn and Elidir Fawr today! I agree it was stunning.
Yesterday we soloed the Idwal Buttress getting the rope out on a couple of rock walls that were snowed/iced up. A fair bit of snow fell last night over 750m
Has anyone been into the Ladders? Thinking of heading up Thursday.
Looked quite white from the road this afternoon.
We did Fallen Block Climb on Clogwyn Y Person. I was getting a good spindrift shower on pitch 1, and it was well frozen with lots of snow but rime only started on pitch 2. A team did a possible new route to our right and that little extra height meant their entire route was white.
Cheers Toby. Sounds like things are looking promising.
Had good views across from Yr Elen yesterday, it's all very white! No sign of any ice, and the snow where we were was soft and deep with a breakable crust, but I'd expect the rock routes to be good at the moment.
I've not climbed on the Black Ladders, so would be interested to know which routes are rockier mixed type and perhaps worth considering for these cold snap then thaw style winters, that seem to be becoming ever more normal these days. I did see someone had climbed one of the gullies (Pyramid maybe?) earlier this winter, but I can't imagine they are often that good. We descended Parsley Fern yesterday and there was about 20 mtrs of great neve as you dropped in from the top then a few hundred more of powdery snow where you had to be careful not to trip on loose rubble in many spots not that far below.
Ref. The Black Ladders. Check out the Ground Up guidebook for details but a lot of the more recent routes require frozen turf. Many of the 'original' routes require ice &/or neve, particularly to access the lower pitches. The Ladders usually require quite a long & complex cycle of cold weather to come into condition unfortunately. Craig Dafydd is a better bet as the crag is higher & most of the recent routes are not dependant on turf.
Cheers Geoff. Funnily I was just discussing the Ground Up guide on the Facebook Snowdonia winter conditions group. It does have a lot in it on Black Ladders - a lot of routes I guess, and I love it as a little inspirational tome, but the more I use it as an actual guidebook the more I'm realising it's rather bad at that job! It's written in a way that almost necessitates you have the comprehensive summer guides with you too! Yesterday I realised the Crib Y Ddysgl section keeps referencing routes as being to the right or left of a certain summer route which it then doesn't describe! Like I say I love it for inspiration and toilet reading. Hate it for actually trying to get up climbs with.
Another problem with the Ground Up guide is that it describes itself as a definitive guide but doesn't have (for example) Parsely Fern Gully in it, probably the most popular winter route! Its also missing some of the easier stuff in Cwm Cneifon so I tend to use it for pictures and revert to Old Faithful for the routes I need.
It sort of does have Parsley Fern in it although it is really only mentioned in passing which is rather weird - agreed. It does mention that it gets skied though! I did Parsley Fern years back before that Ground Up guide came out, so I guess that's why I didn't notice, but actually we used it as a descent on Sunday.
I actually added some stuff to the Crib Y Ddsgyl page of the Welsh Winter wiki last night. It doesn't look like it has had much attention in recent winters, but it has more info in it than the guidebook, so perhaps any of us who are climbing in Wales should be editing, correcting and adding to that to make it the definitive source?
I'm looking at p. 5 of the 2010 edition and it says "This book is an interim guide to winter climbing in North Wales, or more specifically, Northern Snowdonia. It includes full definitive coverage for the major winter venues in the area...", and then it gives a list of crags that does *not* include Cwm Cneifion or Crib y Ddysgl.
In my ancient Rick Newcombe guide, Parsley Fern is described as a "Fast descent for the competent. Even faster for those who aren't".
There's a video somewhere of someone rolling down it - horrific, although the chap survived without too severe injuries thankfully.
There's nothing on Lliwedd either in the G U guide!
Hi there Toby,
My comment was specifically related to the Black Ladders not other crags as that was the one you referred to. To be fair, though the Ground Up guide does have deficiencies, it has way more info on that crag than any other source, including the Welsh Winter wiki. The latter fortunately does have additions (descriptions, photos & topos) made since the guide was published by myself & others. You (& others) make some fair points about the Ground Up guide but depending on the crag you want it is way better than anything else out there. There will probably never be another Welsh Winter guidebook, unless global warming magically reverses itself, as the cost is prohibitive for the meagre sales possible. If you/we would like to solve & update the omissions why not contribute topos of the crags that you/we feel would most be appreciated to the Welsh Winter wiki? Cwm Cneifion & Lliwedd would be obvious starting points. Most of us carry phones with cameras so it wouldn't be difficult. Please get involved and solve the problem.
I would love there to be another guide, but I see your point about conditions changing (and also the publishing/market/technology conditions also changing). I hope it does happen though.
Since rediscovering the Wiki last week (I remember visiting it years ago when I wasn't living in the UK but only re-found it last week when I was looking for more info on Crib Y Ddsgyl). I have started adding some photos, some information and made some edits since then. I've done a photo topo showing where Fallen Block Climb goes, for example, and noted that at least the first pitch is in the 88 guide as Church Buttress.
Has anyone here done Rectory Chimneys on Crib Y Ddysgal? It sounds good and might need a plan for next weekend (if my wife and children forgive me for disappearing again for day!).
edit: for anyone else who doesn't know about the wiki http://welshwinterclimbs.wikifoundry.com/
There is actually, I've just checked. It includes a huge description of the girdle if you want to get involved in an epic second ascent!
> There will probably never be another Welsh Winter guidebook, unless global warming magically reverses itself, as the cost is prohibitive for the meagre sales possible
Yet there's a sufficient market to have 2, editions of the Lakes Winter Guide in the space of 7 years, with possibly a 3rd on the way only 6 years later?
> There will probably never be another Welsh Winter guidebook, unless global warming magically reverses itself.
You want to hope that climate changes causes a shutdown of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation. North Wales winter climbing like back in the good old days (circa. 12000 BC)
> There is actually, I've just checked. It includes a huge description of the girdle if you want to get involved in an epic second ascent!
Yes the girdle and that's about it for Wales's biggest cliff, which is crying out to be fully updated.
> I'm looking at p. 5 of the 2010 edition and it says "This book is an interim guide to winter climbing in North Wales, or more specifically, Northern Snowdonia. It includes full definitive coverage for the major winter venues in the area...", and then it gives a list of crags that does *not* include Cwm Cneifion or Crib y Ddysgl.
Maybe because Cwm Cneifon is, in fact, a Cwm rather than a crag. If you mean Clogwyn Du, that's covered extensively (although not in my personal copy as the page has fallen out).
That's connected to one of the things that confused me at first; I did Golden Girl Ali, and its sort of in the Clogwyn Du section - it just describes it as being "opposite". It's not actually hard to find as you can see the Tower it goes up almost from the road I think, but the 1988 guide has that cliff - across the cwm from Clogwyn Du in much more detail for Tower Gully and Slab and the like.
Thinking of heading to Snowdonia this weekend for some low to mid-grade winter climbs if conditions and weather allow - has anyone been out in the last couple of days or can have a good idea of what conditions might be like at the weekend? Thanks
I’m heading up tomorrow for a week. It looks pretty wild over the weekend but if you did need a partner I’m keen to try and get something done, happy with anything up to IV ish.
Oh dear... I had hoped it would be clear that I was not, as you seem to think, complaining about the absence of any information from the Ground Up guidebook.
I was replying to Babika who said that it's "also missing some of the easier stuff in Cwm Cneifon", and trying to say that that absence can't be used to fault the GU book because, contrary to Babika, it is not intended to be a definitive guidebook. Ditto, with appropriate changes, to Toby A about winter climbs in the vicinity of Parsley Fern Gully.
Please accept my apologies for referring to Cwm Cneifion (not "Cneifon") as a crag, but in doing so I was following page 79 of Campbell and Newton's "Welsh Winter Climbs".
Meanwhile, congratulations to the Ground Up team for producing, within their stated limitations, a really useful and inspiring guidebook.
Hi George, I've actually already got a partner, but thanks for the offer. Have a good week!
> I’m heading up tomorrow for a week. It looks pretty wild over the weekend but if you did need a partner I’m keen to try and get something done, happy with anything up to IV ish.
I've sent you a message...
Had a wander into the Ladders today. Ice forming at many levels including the lower tiers. Ice forming on Icefall gully, Somme and Ypres. Only ice that looked climbable that I saw was on second pitch of Pyramid gully but the first pitch was very thin. Also Playschool first pitch I could see out of Eastern gully had a climbable ice pitch. Snow deep and unhelpful at first in Eastern gully but consolidated more with height. Even some good snow axe placements higher up. Turf was variable but bomber in places. Don’t know how much of the ice will survive tomorrow’s mini thaw but the gully snow might improve by Sunday.
Great conditions on Clogwyn Du on Monday - heavily rimed, (but also heavy verglassed). Excellent new IX 9 done, absolutely brilliant route.
Cloggy on Tuesday was in good nick - tons of snow, frozen turf where exposed, turf buried by snow not so bomber. Looked at trying FFA of Silver Machine but the ice was soft crud, the rock heavily verglassed and the turf aerated.. so we ran away and climbed Jubilee Climb.
How is snow coverage will be in north wales on Friday is it worth packing skis in the back of the car?
Anyone think NW is worth a chance tomorrow? Thanks!
It's been thawing today, but temperatures are just starting to drop again. Latest Ogwen webcam pic before dark shows lots of white stuff still below the cloud base, which is promising! Currently weighing up Wales or the Lakes..
Was on Snowdon yesterday..... intended to climb on trinity somewhere but ended up walking to the summit due to weather. Walking to the summit was difficult due to winds and zero visibility, there was oceans of snow on the ground which made for some difficult walking, axe and crampons essential. As we walked off the summit the clouds cleared and it turned into a fine day but the strong winds stuck around. The mountain is blasted with snow, and looking up at trinity on my decent the gullies were full and some ice forming from what I could see. Had a quick look at forecast, freezing level low tomorrow but rising as the week goes on. Hope this helps.
Lots of wet snow in Cwm Glas Mawr yesterday, still thawing quite high up. Avalanche debris in Parsley Fern.
Central Trinity in good condition today, but with warming temps might not be around much longer!
For all the doubters... the BMC turf probe is showing -0.05C on the Idwal page!
The forecast for the next week is suggesting very very cold temperatures.
Has anyone been near Cwm Glas today? How are conditions looking?
They were excellent on thursday, lots of good crisp neve in the gullies and on ledges. You had to go high to get to it - the bottom third of the Ramp wasn't there, for instance, but Parsleyfern and PF LH were both well in.
The Clogwyn Ddu temperature guage is through the floor, don't think I've seen it that cold since it's been set up. We might even see 30cm turf drop below zero, at which case even the gloomiest of naysayers would have to accept that it's pretty well frozen ;-)
Thoughts on Central Icefall being in by the weekend? I doubt it but with temperatures being this low, it might happen...
There’s no much ice about at all at the moment due to lack of moisture.. see what this weather front brings us over the next couple of days!
Yes but Central Icefall has a decent flow generally.
Ice starting to form nicely in Craig y Rhaeadyr when I drove past today
Perhaps, I’m not familiar with it’s usual state.
Anyone seen into the Black Ladders? Did it hold onto any snow at all. Looks like the turf should be frozen and if there's more snow forecast could look white again.
is there any news of Mid Wales ... anyone? Cader region gets plenty wet in summer ....
Cheers. Surprised it was already shaping up, thought it would just be a thin veneer. Perhaps...
Mrphilipoldham - it’s usually a substantial waterfall.
We were in Cwn Glas yesterday. As shown in the pictures Central Icefall is very thin but forming. We went further up and did Sargent's gully. There was a fair bit of water still flowing and the the ice varied from thin and fragile to VERY thick and solid enough to take screws. Quite a few areas were covered in crystal clear bullet hard ice that was spicy to climb. The odd sections of turf were well frozen. Over all it was a bit harder than normal but perfectly doable and excellent fun.
Apologies, misunderstood.. thought you were talking of a watercourse on Clogwyn Du.
Just got back from a long day in Cwm Glas. Sergeant's Gully is in excellent condition now, The Parsley Ferns looked great. Routes on Craig y Rheadr are forming but not quite there yet, similar story for Face Route. Routes on Crib Goch & Crib y Ddysgl are great as turf is bullet proof from the road up. Great neve on the Clogwyn y Person Arete & the ridge to Crib y Ddysgl. It was -2.5C when we left Ynys Ettws at 8pm so it all bodes well.
Has much fresh snow come down yet? The pictures from the last few days looked like everything but the gullies was completely snow free, but I guess it might even be starting to rime up again a bit?
Coming over at the weekend to meet an old uni mate who I used to climb with lots way back when, but who hasn't really climbed much over the last 20 years! We did SE Gully on Great End a couple of winter back and he did fine seconding me up that (a bit of moaning... ;) ) so I want to pick something similar in Wales for this weekend - something II/III or IIIish. I was thinking about something in the Carnedds as I suspect Ogwen and Cwm Glas might get pretty busy - can anyone suggest an icy II or III that they've enjoyed?
Thanks for the update. Sounds good, except the hut water supply is probably frozen! Always a good sign ;-)
Playschool on the Ladders. Icy dribbles and turf.
I'll look that one up Misha - I've not done a route on the Ladders, so it would be two birds with one stone... cheers.
Was up in the pass driving yesterday just managed to get to the top (sheet ice all over roads and down to -5c) lots of snow in the pass and waterfalls are forming nicely. Even colder today with wind chill here so it should get better..
> Was up in the pass driving yesterday just managed to get to the top (sheet ice all over roads and down to -5c)
Sounds pretty treacherous - how good is access around Snowdonia during cold snaps like these? Is it likely there will be impassible roads later in the week, or are they likely to be kept well gritted/clear?
It is going to be a tough day out on the hill tomorrow with predicted temps of -11C and winds gusting to 80mph! Just imagine the Wind-chill factor, possibly -30C!!!
I was on Tryfan today, the Ogwen valley road was fine, as was the road from Betwys Coed. No idea about the pass though. It was well gritted and almost completely snow free until this afternoon's small blizzard. I came along the A55 along the coast, then the A470, both completely snow free.
I was worried about the roads myself, having not driven there in winter for many years but all was fine.
From past experience of snowy spells, the good thing about North Wales is there are only really two roads you need to get to most of the winter climbing - the A5 and the Pass. Both can be shut in heavy snow (especially if there's drifting) but as they're fairly important roads (particularly the A5), they tend to get ploughed and gritted reasonably quickly. However if, as the forecast suggests, there's lots of snow on Friday evening, it's entirely possible that the A5 will be closed between Bethesda and Capel Curig and the Pass will be closed above Nant Peris, until some time during Saturday daytime. However it's not that much further to walk from Nant Peris to the ice routes above the Pass and similarly you can get to the Black Ladders from the main road in Bethesda (the smaller residential roads going up the hill might prove tricky). Would be quite a trek to the routes in and above Idwal though.
The road from Pen y Pass to Nant Peris is pretty treacherous at the moment: I'd be very wary of using it without winter tyres or chains for the next 2 days. The rest of the roads (A55, A5, 'Beris to Nant Peris) were clear at 5pm today. Conditions are looking pretty awesome. From the road, Face Route looks in now & the routes on Craig y Rhaeadr look like they'll be there by tomorrow!!!! See yesterday's comments about Upper Cwm Glas. Lots of loose snow being blown around and the wind direction is varying quite a bit so it's all over the place. Oh, there's no shortage of water at Ynys, Misha!
I don't think snow chains would be any use at the moment...
Climbed the screen today in idwal, didn't look great from a distance but on closer inspection was fine. Hard ice, taking screws well, almost no running water. The rest of the routes are getting there but only a few climbable.
pass is now closed with heavy snow above Nant
Any update/outlook for weekend??
Had planned on coming up (from the Sussex Coast)tomorrow to climb Sunday. 90% at the point of calling it off but just wanted to get an idea of local conditions/state of roads on the off-chance that I ended up bailing on a 'perfect Himalayan experience'.
Assumption is that the margins are too narrow but would appreciate some local insight as MWIS, Met Office UK highways etc don't give the full picture.
In a similar position - long arranged weekend with an old mate, me coming from Sheffield, he from Oxfordshire. It looks fine there, but just getting there would seem to be the issue. Almost all the cross Peak District routes are closed for me. My normal route to N Wales is via Snake Pass which was definitely closed late last night. But lots of routes have been climbed and logged on UKC over the last couple of days and only Llanberis Pass seems currently to be closed over there.
All of the roads across the Peak were closed last night. On the Manchester side things are pretty fine as it seems we've escape the worst of it but as close as Hadfield and Macclesfield there are serious drifts on the roads.
I climbing trees nameless stream and clogwyn left branch yesterday. The stream was easily climbing but doubt you would get any gear. Left branch was in great albeit hard nick, looking at pictures of previous years the main pitch was formed slightly differently with more of a pillar running up the middle. Ice is pretty hard in places, taking screws well (we placed 22cm screws).
The roads weren't too bad last night, but it was drifting quite a bit. There was also isolated windslab forming on easterly (without looking at a map??) aspects.
It's still very windy in 'Beris this morning tho' not as bad as last night. MWIS suggests it will be less windy tomorrow (40 mph gusts on exposed areas) but better to keep off the tops. Lots of yesterday's snow has been scoured off the mountain slopes & blown about into drifts, whilst the temperature is still below freezing (we're at c.100m here). Is there anything to climb? You bet; Cwm Glas & Idwal would be good bets (see above) as they be less exposed. The main roads are open (i.e. as far up as Nant Peris from 'Beris) but I don't know if the Pass has been re-opened as I'm busy chain sawing a 100+ year old oak tree that was blown over last night! Hope that helps folks.
As Geoff says absolutely tons to go at.
FFA yesterday of a route I've never seen in in 20(?) years of winter climbing in N.Wales - Broadmoor, on the Grochan, is brilliant and now goes at VII 8 with great icy/rocky mixed topped by a WI4 finish. Atrociously good conditions!
3rd ascent of Back in Black done on Weds in its typical condition, confirmed VII 7. (I was on the first and the third ascents!)
Face route done on Weds.
Every smear and gully in the Pass is in or getting there - Arcturus lefthand and rigthand anyone?? Probably last climbed 20+ years ago.
White Trash on the Mot is there.
Crown of Thorns.
You can climb roadside ice on the lower walls of the Cromlech.
And of course Cascade/CID and even Chequerd Wall are all in.
Rocky mixed is too dry; ice and icy mixed is where it's at.
Thanks Pete but I think this is fake news. All the ice melted this morning and there is nothing left apart from Idwal Stream. No point travelling, people!
Don't worry Misha they'll all queue for the honeypots anyway and spend the day dodging falling ice.
We're planning on parking in Pen-y-Pass car park over the weekend. (Traveling up from Oxford).
Does anyone know what state the B4086 from Capel Curig to the Pen-y-Pass YHA is please?
I know the Pen-y-Pass YHA is closed, so we're booked in at the Betws-y-Coed YHA instead.
Wow is this really the case ?
Super busy in Cwm Idwal today, just like the good old days! Looked like a lot of the low to mid-grade routes were in condition. Ice was varied but generally very good & the turf is still excellent. MWIS suggesting it should be good for another day.
If you haven't already seen the PyP car park is an ice rink and is closed.
Is there much in the way of 'useful' snow around or is it mostly powder with anything climbable on water ice?
Water ice, powder snow, dry rock, frozen turf
> Water ice, powder snow, dry rock, frozen turf
Thanks, thought that was probably the case, just wanted to make sure.
Well that was the week that was, as far as water ice is concerned. First ascents (Pete’s been busy!), rare repeats and every random dribble frozen. Party atmosphere on Craig y Rhaeadr yesterday with six teams on Cascade, one on Chequered and us on CID. Less busy today but Cascade still got two ascents, we did Chequered (melty but still good) and a team bailed on CID after the first pitch as it was looking pretty wet and potentially unstable above (probably ok but who knows...).
The crag was just below freezing level as we had on/off snow alternating with rain but the ropes and gear weren’t frozen (they were yesterday). Higher up above Face Route there looked like a sprinkling of fresh snow this afternoon. I guess Clogwyn Ddu ice would still be good and the crag might even be rimed up depending on the exact freezing level.
Anyone got a current conditions report? Cheers!
Walked up to devils kitchen today hoping a mixed route would be in. Higher temps than forecast meant fully thawed turf. Lots of ice still hanging in there, but wouldn't have wanted to climb anything vaguely steep. Some enthusiastic teams on lower angled ice. Clogwyn du was black.
If temps are as per the MWIS forecast I reckon the ice will hang in there. But the freezing level needs to drop a bit for it to be climbable
Thanks! Did Left Hand Branch look like it was hanging in there?
Still lots of snow on Snowdon, Crib y Ddysgl & Glyder Fawr: 3.5C daytime temp in the valley yesterday & today, so they'll still be stuff to do up high.
Report from Cryn Las/Upper Cwm Glas today. Got Sargeants Gully done, ice generally good but thawing fast. All but first pitch of Face Route hanging on in there. Cascade and central there, looking thin. Lots of fresh snow in Cwm Glas, 1-3 feet deep. Spindrift cascading down sidewalls and witnessed powder slide in lower 100m of Parsley Fern. Some good patches of ice in cwm, half buried under snow. Everything needs a refreeze to come good again.
Idwal stream was in decent nick this afternoon, some holes but no problem. Surprising amount of ice around but kitchen routes not back in just yet.
Lots of soft snow on the Pyg Track and the Central Trinity with a thick layer of graupel sliding off the top yesterday. I'd be very careful around any gullys and open slopes, especially if there is more snow on top of the graupel layer.
As others have said, there is a lot of water ice about but the snow needs a bit of thaw-freeze.
Lots more snow this morning right down to Llanberis level.
6cm (that's 2+ inches in old money) of the wet stuff in 'Beris. The sky is beginning to clear now.
And the freezing level will be 600-700m on Friday...and then above the summits on the weekend, together with rain. So that's pretty much...game over.
> So that's pretty much...game over.
until Monday when it's due to freeze again
Went for an explore round the Glyders today. Some of the Kitchen routes are definitely still in and in good shape (I'm around tomorrow if anyone is free to partner up - see my post on Lifts/Partners forum). Idwal Stream was fairly well buried by fresh snow but looked like there was decent ice underneath. Went up the Goat Track, which had some nice ice steps. The Appendix is missing 10m in the lower half, top is forming. Other routes to right of Appendix only partly formed. The Sting looked good. Traversed round the corrie rim of Y Garn, masses of powder in all the A-D gullies and large cornices so I'd leave clear for a while. Saw a team on Banana Gully but couldn't tell what condition it was in from a distance. From afar Nameless Cwm looked plastered, couldn't see Clogwyn Ddu but I imagine that was similar. Cold enough for some of the ice routes to be in on the latter but didn't see them.
It's not all gone yet! If you're interested in some easy options there are still a few lines available: Banana Gully on Y Garn still has a continuous & wide strip of the white stuff whilst in Cwm Cneifion Tower Gully & the slabs to the right (Tower slabs?) are still iced up as are the routes on the back wall. Pillar Chimney's cleft has ice in the back of it & the top ramp pitch tho' the cliff itself is black. The continuous ramp line right of RHY Gully is also there. The turf is still frozen in the shaded parts of the upper cwm and the forthcoming days' forecast suggests a return to snow & colder temperatures.
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