Rockfax Description
High in the grade and a classic tussle. The deep groove and wide crack give a satisfying struggle with large gear helpful. © Rockfax

FA. John Whittle 1966

Ticklists: 100 More Classic British VS Climbs, Lancashire's Finest, ROCKFAX Western Grit Grade List.

Derek Robinson 14/Sep/17 TR dnf
Mark Collins 14/Sep/17 TR dog
with Derek Robinson
Violinist 02/Sep/17 2nd O/S

Tried to lead. Failed. So seconded.

with Kirsty, Joe
fuzzysheep01 02/Sep/17 Lead O/S

Desperate for VS. Good route.

kirsty_t 02/Sep/17 -
with Joe, Ben
Albanian 24/Jul/17 2nd
with Lee
egg-man 07/May/17 Lead rpt
with John Pickles
Flavio 06/May/17 Solo O/S
Hidden 01/May/17 Lead
Jan.Hrb 15/Apr/17 Lead O/S
with Matus
Elliot King LC&CC 11/Apr/17 2nd rpt
with Ian solby
matus 07/Apr/17 Lead O/S
Hidden 07/Apr/17 2nd
g1m147 06/Nov/16 Lead

Well, at least I won't have to do it again!

with Mick.
sgl 12/Oct/16 Lead
with will
K Mckay 03/Oct/16 2nd O/S


with Paul Gibbison
therat 17/Sep/16 Lead O/S
Mattskeet1982 LC&CC 01/Sep/16 2nd rpt
Kasia Rzepka 29/Aug/16 2nd
1poundSOCKS 29/Aug/16 Lead O/S

Hard start and not very convincing gear in the choss above. But solid rock and easy climbing aren't far away.

jon_gill1 12/Aug/16 Lead O/S
with jon parry
JP78 12/Aug/16 2nd
with Jon G
robhunt 25/Jun/16 Lead
with Matt Skeet
Mattskeet1982 LC&CC 25/Jun/16 2nd dog

Vs my arse. Lol

with rob hunt
martintom 08/Jun/16 2nd
Hidden 07/Jun/16 Lead rpt
Paul Sedgwick ?/Jun/16 Lead O/S
Nomes 20/Apr/16 TR
with Darren
darrenpp 20/Apr/16 TR
with Naomi
richshark 04/Apr/16 AltLd

Committed nervous start before first gear. Bailed on secon pitch and finished with the second. Much easier than first and a pleasure to climb

with Dave forrester
sambeaumont 17/Mar/16 Lead O/S
samrad ??/2016 Lead O/S
with Dominique
Darron ??/2016 -
ChrisNaylor 28/Dec/15 Lead O/S
Hidden 31/Oct/15 Lead
Hidden 12/Oct/15 -
net 10/Oct/15 2nd


with George
GPN 10/Oct/15 Lead
with Annette
khawk 24/Sep/15 Lead O/S
bantamdave 17/Sep/15 2nd rpt

Excellent lead for Nathan. Very steady third VS lead.

with Nathan
Nafclimbsrocks 17/Sep/15 Lead O/S
Chris Oldfield 11/Sep/15 Lead O/S
with James Buckley
BTphonehome 31/Aug/15 2nd

Green arms and jeans to finish the weekend. Great scenes.

with Tony
tmawer 31/Aug/15 Lead rpt

Good old fashioned climbing....forgot how good this was.

with Bram
Tommy_shaw 14/Aug/15 Lead β
with Jason
Hidden 30/Jul/15 2nd rpt
Hidden 25/Jul/15 2nd rpt
Hidden 12/Jul/15 2nd O/S
db79 12/Jul/15 2nd O/S
Josh Hoyle 30/Jun/15 TR
garywalker147 27/Jun/15 2nd
with Elliot
Hidden 27/Jun/15 Lead O/S
noemie5438 18/Jun/15 2nd O/S
with Liam
miketong 03/Jun/15 2nd O/S

A tricky start with some solid fist jams required. I struggle to retrieve the first piece of gear which set me off badly for the route. Recovered after and enjoyed the route.

with Mike Preece
mattsmithuk 02/Jun/15 2nd dnf

2m from the top!! Nothing left in my arms. High in the grade.

JendeHoxar 28/May/15 TR O/S
egg-man 16/Apr/15 2nd
with Brian Hall
bantamdave 16/Apr/15 2nd O/S


with Brian
robhunt 16/Apr/15 Lead rpt
with Ellie
JdotP 06/Apr/15 Lead RP

Not quite onsight as getting off the ground took a number of attempts haha....

with Michael Jimenez, Magda Borkowska
Hidden 04/Nov/14 Lead O/S
sibluer ?/Nov/14 2nd
Hidden 09/Sep/14 Lead RP
Climbster 25/Aug/14 2nd β
with Ian
Bloke on a Rope 25/Aug/14 Lead O/S

Bit of a grunt, good route though!

with Matt
Gav Williams 24/Aug/14 2nd
Jules Lane 24/Aug/14 Lead O/S

Tough but less of a nightmare than expected. Nice finish. I'm not really an off-width guy but I really think this is HVS. It's not just 1 5a section but 3 - quite sustained really.

Hidden 19/Aug/14 2nd O/S
Hidden 19/Aug/14 Lead
Hidden 15/Aug/14 Lead
Hidden 15/Aug/14 2nd
Ewan Russell 28/Jul/14 Lead O/S
with Mike(Dad)
Shuttsie 01/Jul/14 Lead
with chris horrocks, sarah keast
sarahjk ?/Jul/14 2nd
John sealey 22/Jun/14 Lead
with si witcher
switch 22/Jun/14 2nd
with John S
Mark Collins 14/Jun/14 TR rpt
Hidden 31/May/14 Lead O/S
bwestwood 16/May/14 Lead
sprout3099 15/May/14 Lead O/S
with Becky Wood
philgillespie ?/May/14 2nd
Hidden 19/Apr/14 Lead
Hidden 19/Apr/14 Lead O/S
chrisbartlett 30/Mar/14 2nd
Hidden ??/2014 Lead
rocktraveller ??/2014 -
crossdressingrodney 12/Oct/13 2nd O/S

Hard work, not too bad if you can fist jam.

with James L
Derek Robinson 10/Oct/13 2nd dog

Gutted! So close, but ran out of steam at the end. Great route.

Mark Collins 10/Oct/13 Lead rpt
with Derek Robinson
MichaelGallimore 07/Oct/13 Lead O/S

Awkward, not too strenuous but thought provoking. beautiful finishing moves.

with Whiskey tom
damob123 22/Sep/13 2nd

Tough first move. Protection good all the way up. Really fun climb

erbridger 22/Sep/13 Lead
ned_85 22/Sep/13 2nd
petekeron 30/Aug/13 Lead O/S
with Barry Scott
Calder 16/Aug/13 2nd
with Ste
stemill 16/Aug/13 Lead
with Graham
Twisty 11/Aug/13 2nd O/S
MatthewH 08/Aug/13 Lead O/S
with Daniel Farrimond, Dan Sims
snapperdan 07/Aug/13 2nd
wil_perry 13/Jul/13 Lead

Classic 3 star route - as advertised in the guide book one pure struggle.

mike_w18 13/Jul/13 2nd
with Will
noah 04/Jul/13 Lead O/S
with P Swire
Nigel Bond 04/Jun/13 Lead
with Ben Emery
Goose4 04/Jun/13 Solo O/S
Hidden 04/Jun/13 2nd
WillCass 25/May/13 Lead
with Monika
Hidden 24/May/13 Lead
Matt Rowat 24/May/13 2nd

Hardest route of the night!

with Ross
ElliottB 22/May/13 Lead dnf

Could not get it started, fell off without placing gear.

erictant 19/May/13 Lead O/S
with Paul
Amazoniangirl 26/Apr/13 2nd
carl_123 26/Apr/13 Lead O/S
peachos 04/Apr/13 2nd O/S

took a few goes to figure out how to get off the ground, but cleaned it when sussed. need to get back and lead that one.

scottidog 04/Apr/13 Lead O/S
Elliot King LC&CC 14/Mar/13 Lead O/S
with Steven swift
joe_lancs 21/Oct/12 2nd
Grant Fulton 21/Oct/12 Lead
with Joe Fennel
Hidden 21/Oct/12 Lead O/S
Mark Collins 05/Sep/12 Lead dnf

The pain continues, unable to get properly established in the crack above the initial moves on a route I have done a few times before. Half down climbed / fell off at an amenable height.

with Delboy
Fragmod 27/May/12 2nd
tsl42 27/May/12 TR RP

Getting off ground.

with Bill
Mike Hood 02/May/12 Lead
Hidden ?/Apr/12 Lead
Anthony Dixon 25/Mar/12 Lead
with Alan
Graeme Hammond 16/Oct/11 Lead O/S

Brilliant climbing, really enjoyed this, great end to the day :)

Hidden 15/Oct/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Jul/11 2nd dog
bigglesbutcha 26/Jul/11 Lead dog

For f****s sake, took a whipper off the bottom for the third time, landed about 4inches above the ground, nut popped, cam held.

with Swifty
bigglesbutcha 26/Jul/11 Lead rpt

FINALLY! 4th attempt, and didn't fall off this time.

with Swifty
garywalker147 29/Jun/11 Lead O/S
with Jordan2
lost.arrow 19/Jun/11 -
with Mark Richards, Ian Ashworth
Hidden 31/May/11 Lead O/S
Glenn Sutcliffe 30/Apr/11 -
with Charl
Simon Holden (LCandCC) 14/Apr/11 Lead rpt
with Swifty
bigglesbutcha 14/Apr/11 Lead dnf

2nd year I've tried it, 2nd time it's spat me out! Managed the first hard move this time, but faffed with gear, got pumped, took and lowered on gear, and cam popped. Simon then led.

richorme 12/Apr/11 Lead O/S
with Gary Woodburn
Hidden ?/Apr/11 2nd O/S
eccyamigo 25/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Holy cow,what a wake up call....HARDEST vs ive ever done,cracking route,great 2nd by milo,lots of gear put in...take your big cams guys!!!

with Milo Dog
dannye103 06/Mar/11 TR O/S
will9911 ?/Mar/11 2nd O/S
with tim
middlevern ??/2011 -
Stuart Wildman 09/Oct/10 Lead O/S
with Neil
Hidden 04/Oct/10 2nd
tomhull 04/Oct/10 Lead O/S

a traditional battle. loved it! muddy jams and some weird moves. brilliant

with matt harris
tomo_tom ?/Jul/10 TR rpt
Hidden 26/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Mark Collins 10/Jun/10 Solo rpt
Hidden 04/Jun/10 Solo
d_meacher 03/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Viki 03/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Ianwesterby 15/May/10 2nd
with Leo
climbing_rocks1983 15/May/10 2nd O/S
with Kieran
Leo Woodhead 15/May/10 Lead O/S
with Ian W
mickJ 08/May/10 Lead
with Elliot
bexyboo ?/May/10 2nd
Hidden 24/Apr/10 Lead O/S
Rob Rocket 15/Apr/10 2nd
with Tim & Brian
bigglesbutcha 15/Apr/10 Lead dnf

Tricky Start, hard for a 4C, more like 5a

with Brian 2
bigglesbutcha 15/Apr/10 2nd β
with Brian 2
hellboundblr 15/Apr/10 Lead

Partner abandoned it from very low down.

with LCCC
david morse 30/Jan/10 Lead O/S

harder when seaping. excellent fist jamming banter

with tom+joe
Hidden 30/Jan/10 2nd dog
CMoore ??/2010 Lead
datoon ??/2010 -
Hidden ??/2010 Lead O/S
philw ??/2010 -
efrance24234 ??/2010 -
wilkie14c 12/Aug/09 Lead O/S
with Brenden
Brendan H 12/Aug/09 2nd O/S
with paul
Hidden 09/Jul/09 Lead O/S
jmarshall 02/Jul/09 Lead O/S
with ben knowles
NeilGriffiths 11/Jun/09 -
with Adam
garethtodd ?/Jun/09 TR
RagingSphere 30/May/09 Lead dnf

Got 3/4 of the way up and then had no gear big enough for the cracks and bottled it! I will go back and climb through.... at some point, maybe, possibly

Calder 23/May/09 2nd
@ndy 23/May/09 Lead
with calder
lancashirelass 05/Apr/09 2nd
with kjbix
kjbix 05/Apr/09 Lead
Hidden 14/Mar/09 Lead
innesmac ??/2009 -
Lunar25 ??/2009 Lead O/S

First VS lead!!!

Hidden ??/2009 Lead
nepsoi999 30/Aug/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 14/Aug/08 Lead O/S
victim of mathematics 02/Aug/08 Lead dnf

Sliced my finger open on some broken glass above the first chockstone in the crack. Blood everywhere (sorry about that) so I beat a hasty retreat. Be wary!

jeffb 15/Jul/08 Lead O/S
with Calder
Calder 15/Jul/08 2nd
with jeffb
Hidden 13/Jul/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 15/Jun/08 Lead O/S
hellboundblr 11/Jun/08 2nd

I tried to lead first but lost my nerve 1/3 of way up.

with Adrian Goldstraw
mickJ 04/Jun/08 Lead
with paul r
..blackbird ?/Jun/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/08 2nd O/S
lost.arrow 25/May/08 -
Hidden 20/May/08 Lead O/S
duzinga 17/May/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 01/May/08 2nd β
Rob Davies 02/Mar/08 2nd
with Phil Ashton
Fred Sergeant 20/Feb/08 2nd O/S
with Dave Tibbins
Hidden 20/Feb/08 Lead O/S
Rachel S 10/Feb/08 2nd
with Des Chadderton
mark2572 06/Jan/08 TR β

1st ever climb outdoors

with Danny
dan1stdan 06/Jan/08 TR β

My first successful outdoor climb.Not too hard a climb until the top where i took ages to find an obvious foot hold.

with Mark
Hidden ??/2008 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/2008 -
samking251 ??/2008 -
daveagriff ??/2008 2nd
galpinos 21/Oct/07 2nd rpt

Was awkaward and scary when I first lead it and it's still awkward on second.

with Nick V and Emily
Hidden 15/Sep/07 2nd
Hidden 15/Sep/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 15/Sep/07 Lead rpt
DavidR 15/Sep/07 2nd O/S
MikeLeeds 15/Sep/07 Lead O/S
with Mira Slavova
Hidden ?/Sep/07 Lead
Kaiser999 ?/Sep/07 Lead
with Jonoh
Hidden 12/Jun/07 Lead
rick1fugazi 03/May/07 2nd dog

Did it, don't want to do it again. Tough(ish) bottom section.

with Bob
thegavster 21/Apr/07 Lead O/S
with Dean Gaskell
Hidden 19/Apr/07 Lead O/S
Trobbo 19/Apr/07 2nd
with steve crossley
Hidden 10/Apr/07 2nd O/S
Hidden 10/Apr/07 Lead O/S
samking251 ??/2007 -
Shad ??/2007 Lead
Hidden 07/Jul/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 01/Jul/06 TR O/S
steven ?/Jul/06 Lead

Still a hard climb for the grade.

with Simon Dawson
sdawson1 30/May/06 Lead dog

Bloody ard felt more like HVS

with swifty
robman 10/May/06 Lead O/S

jamming aarhggagrharaa bit pumpy

with rick pain
Hidden 26/Apr/06 2nd
Hidden 26/Apr/06 Lead β
LAW 16/Apr/06 2nd O/S

Will be back to lead this one.

with Nick M
kingholmesy ??/2006 Lead O/S
with SteveOc
Simon Holden (LCandCC) ??/2006 Lead O/S

Hard start But good climb with various techniques

Johann ??/2006 Lead O/S
with Dan Price
Hidden ??/2006 2nd
chrishedgehog 17/Oct/05 Lead O/S
with Mark Gill
Hidden 26/Jun/05 Lead O/S
A Crook 19/May/05 Lead O/S

Well I should have guessed looking at the grade, very thrurchy all the way. Rests are basically a body jam. Plus it rained when I topped out!

Hidden ??/2005 Lead
Hidden ??/2005 Lead
Mark Collins 18/Sep/04 Lead dog
with Neil Henson
Neil Henson 18/Sep/04 2nd β

High in the grade

with Mark Collins
rovers777 ?/Aug/04 Lead
Marvino ?/May/04 2nd
with Jamie
Trobbo 11/Apr/04 2nd
with mark humphries
Rik Dawes ??/2004 Lead O/S
Stig 16/Jul/03 2nd O/S
with Jonathan Teale
Mark A Humphries 11/Apr/03 Lead O/S
with Terry Robinson
Hidden ?/Apr/03 2nd O/S
Hidden ??/2003 Lead
Hidden ??/2003 Lead O/S
jsw1 17/Apr/02 2nd O/S
with Richard Toon
Hidden ??/2002 Lead
Adam Lincoln ??/2002 Lead
nige 19/Jun/01 Lead
with john buckley
col finnegan 13/Jul/00 -

Various youth groups including blind awareness day. Interesting and varied mix of groups.

Hidden ?/Jul/00 Lead
John Marsland 28/May/00 2nd
with Mark Tolver
nick bamber ??/2000 - ??/2000 2nd
csw ?/Jul/99 Lead
col finnegan 30/Apr/99 TR

Hard start and finish.

col finnegan 11/Apr/99 Lead
lost.arrow 14/Mar/99 Lead
with Gill Heartly
Neil Conway ??/1998 Lead O/S
aldred ??/1998 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/Oct/95 TR
kitch01 13/Aug/95 Solo
p.crooky#1 18/May/95 2nd
with Jon Airey
Hidden ??/1995 -
Hidden ??/1995 -
Hidden 10/Jul/94 Lead
Duncan Bourne 04/Jun/94 Lead O/S
with P Agnew
neilh ??/1994 -
Dave Westby ??/1993 Lead

I soled it once but done it since and struggled

with Garry Nuttal
SR1970 ??/1993 Lead O/S
CBA ??/1993 -
adi bryant ?/Nov/92 Lead O/S
with Dom
Rob Davies 10/Oct/92 Lead
with Pete Hemmings
Hidden 22/Jun/92 2nd
IanGilbertJones 11/Apr/92 TR β
The Pulsing Motorik of Neu! 07/Sep/91 Lead O/S
with Ali
ellie macpherson ?/Aug/91 2nd
with Graeme Jarvis
Hidden 09/Nov/90 Lead
Neil R 11/Mar/90 Lead O/S
with Sharon
Roget 25/Feb/90 2nd O/S
with jim
whispering nic ?/Oct/89 -
with Gaz Smith
Hidden 08/Mar/89 Lead
mik1miller ??/1989 Solo
with gary deane
badgy ??/1989 Lead

Hard Start

mattnuttall ??/1989 Solo
with Alan Holden
Hidden 23/Dec/88 Lead
andy tetsill ?/Nov/88 Lead
with Joy
Hidden 05/Jul/88 Lead
Hidden 26/Mar/88 Lead
Hidden User 56 ??/1988 -
steve taylor ?/Oct/87 2nd
with Nick Smith (BB)
goi.ashmore 29/Aug/87 Solo O/S
Martin Bennett 13/Jun/86 TR
Carl Smethurst 02/Jun/86 TR O/S
Sean Kelly ?/May/86 -

Surely a sandbag!

with Martin Mandel
Tony Buckley ?/Oct/85 Lead

First VS lead

BigHairyIan 19/Jun/84 2nd O/S
Derek Ryden ??/1983 Lead O/S
with Glynne Andrew
Hidden 22/Aug/82 AltLd O/S
Mark Kemball 11/Aug/82 Lead
with John Fletcher
Rob Davies ?/Jul/82 2nd

Date? "Hideous"

with Tony Welsh
Hidden 25/May/82 2nd
Bob 14/Feb/82 -
ColinMeech ??/1979 Lead O/S
Ken Taylor 01/Aug/78 Lead
with Alan Brooks
Hammy 21/May/78 Lead
with Jonathon Stacey
Hidden 03/Apr/78 Lead
Paul Clarke ??/1978 AltLd
with FMC
Mark Kemball 28/Jul/77 Solo
climbing_goose ??/1976 2nd

fantastic climb once i could get off the ground!

with dave colsey
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