Another superb classic taking the exposed grooved arete above Hobson's Choice on perfect rock by way of some varied and absorbing climbing. A must do.

Ticklists: Victim Of Mathematics' Ticklist of Extreme Justice, Very good routes in the UK, Classic safe Lake District E2/E3, Allan Austin Classics, Kendal Wall's Best 100 climbs in Britain, Ultimate E2 ticklist, UK Lonely Leads, Lakeland's Greatest Pioneers.

tomhull 20/Jul/17 Lead O/S

this was on the list for a decade. strung the two meaty pitches together. brilliant climbing

james1978 16/Jul/17 AltLd O/S

A great route. Didnt lead the main pitch but loved it all the same.

ferdia 22/Jun/17 2nd
eb202 03/Jun/17 2nd O/S

Swinging around the arete on the blind pocket was interesting! What a fantastic setting. Definitely coming back for more.

with Michael
Mike505 03/Jun/17 Lead O/S

Lead both pitches, cracking route! The boldest section being the VS approach pitch we used. Fist pitch is brilliant with engaging moves the the second felt like a brilliant HVS 5a and is pretty well protected via the crack to the left of the narrowing slab. Take an extra 1/2 set of nuts for the belays.

Hidden ??/2017 -
James Oswald 23/Jun/16 AltLd O/S

Good route, much easier than I expected

Hidden 09/Jun/16 AltLd
Hidden 09/Jun/16 AltLd
Lakesben 02/Jun/16 AltLd O/S

Mark did P2. Bold!

with Mark
DubyaJamesDubya 29/May/16 AltLd rpt
with Joe Harris
samrad 22/May/16 AltLd O/S
with james G
farmus21 22/May/16 AltLd

Lead P2. Great climbing.

with Sam Radcliffe
Hidden 16/May/16 2nd O/S
K Mckay 16/May/16 AltLd O/S

Led the first 5c E2 I have done by far. Superb.

with GPN
GPN 16/May/16 AltLd rpt

Brilliant route! Top lead by Katie!

with Jon, Katie
Hidden 13/May/16 AltLd O/S
Paul Figg 08/May/16 AltLd rpt
with Rachel Antill
Olli-C 08/May/16 AltLd O/S

Despite being out of sight, the tremmors through the rope told me Chris was scared as he led the crux

with Chris Waddle
BRoe 17/Apr/16 AltLd O/S

p1,3 and 5. Absolutely class but I'd suggest doing it in 3 pitches, combining 1+2 and 4+5.

MarkRoe 17/Apr/16 AltLd O/S

Led the 2nd and 4th pitches.

with Ben Roe
chrismadar 20/Mar/16 AltLd O/S

Lead the 2nd pitch. Good work from Ollie on P1, felt pretty exposed even on second!

OliverRoss 20/Mar/16 AltLd O/S

Lead Crux pitch, although would've been pretty hard to second too traversing with the rucksack.

with Chris Madar
Allanfairfechan ??/2016 AltLd
with Steve Davis, Dave Woodcock
Hidden ??/2016 -
Climbingspike ??/2016 -
Ric2ragas ??/2016 -
fuzzysheep01 04/Oct/15 AltLd O/S

Led 5a pitch.

DubyaJamesDubya 04/Oct/15 AltLd O/S

I led pitch 1: Bold but steady, difficult to say where the crux was. Two sublime pitches; stellar route.

with Joe Norris
tunnah 01/Oct/15 AltLd O/S
Hidden 15/Sep/15 AltLd O/S
Rachel Slater 06/Sep/15 AltLd O/S

Lead the crux pitch. Lovely moves but short! Wanted to carry on up the next pitch.

tim newton 06/Sep/15 AltLd rpt
CMoore 16/Aug/15 AltLd
tunnah 16/Aug/15 AltLd
DavidR 08/Aug/15 AltLd O/S

I led the crux 5c pitch; Hol led the wandering approach pitch and the top 5a pitch.

Bloke on a Rope 03/Jul/15 AltLd O/S

Pitch 1. Pretty steady a couple of tricky bits, good though.

with Matt
Climbster 03/Jul/15 AltLd O/S

P 2 - Nice climb.

with Ian
MFB 27/Jun/15 AltLd

me - top easy pitch (5a) only, the climb to the start (hobsons choice) should not be underestimated

with MB
Hidden 16/Apr/15 Lead O/S
Dave Rumney ??/2015 -
Dave Rumney ??/2015 -
Dave Rumney ??/2015 -
lost.arrow 20/Sep/14 AltLd
with Stu Sherwood
ollyroberts 15/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Approach pitches and Pitch 2. Esther managed to string the crux pitch and slab together. Left me with the short top corner.

with Esther Seddon
soph 14/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
with Tony Stone
Hainsy 13/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
with Liam Ingram
Liam Ingram 13/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Led main pitch. Not hard but committing and a touch bold.

climbingpixie 13/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Superb! Enough gear for the hard moves, enough holds on the run out.

with Andy
Stuart Walker 08/Sep/14 2nd
esther ?/Sep/14 AltLd
DavidEvans 11/Jul/14 AltLd O/S

I thought the crux pitch was quite serious. The climbing is easy enough but it's a long way between the gear. Absolutely cracking route!

with John Helme
Gudge 02/Jul/14 AltLd O/S

P1 & 3. Absolutely brilliant route - all the more spicy for not being able to find the hidden pocket at top of first pitch!

ned_85 02/Jul/14 AltLd
bigdrew 28/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
John Pickles 23/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 23/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
barni 22/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
with luke
Luke Brooks 22/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
with Barni
lanky 17/Jun/14 AltLd
with Sharpey
cobweb 16/May/14 AltLd rpt
with martyn hopson
john lynch 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S

Led the 5c pitch - very absorbing and cold. classic.

with Joe Holden
Hidden ??/2014 -
Alastair R 28/Sep/13 AltLd
with Steve and Pete
Hidden 14/Sep/13 Lead
Paul Figg 10/Jul/13 AltLd

Top quality climb on fab rock.

Pay Attention ?/Jul/13 2nd
Shaw Brown 18/Jun/13 AltLd
GPN 18/Jun/13 AltLd

Lead the main pitch this time. Wonderful route!

Clevelandclimber 10/Jun/13 AltLd

I led pitches 1 and 3. Great crux and superb top pitch really enjoyable but soft 5a!

with Malcolm Bass
Malcolm Bass 10/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
with Adrian Mellor
Rachel S 09/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

P1, P2 and P3.

with Cal
WB 09/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Not sure its worth 3 stars

with Chris
Lessworkmoreclimbing 08/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

I led pitch 4 which was lovely. Pitch 3 was great. Not too hard but quite out there in position and gear would have focussed my mind!

with Kev
Hidden 07/Jun/13 Lead
chrishedgehog 07/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Felt quite friendly for E2 I thought.

with James Rees
Stig 07/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
with Chris
Hidden 04/Jun/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/13 AltLd O/S
JanBella 02/May/13 2nd O/S

some of the best climbing i have ever done. it's got it all - exposure, great views and superb climbing.

with simon
Scooter Young ??/2013 Lead O/S
simon_D 11/Aug/12 Lead O/S


with Karen Mc
Kazza91 ?/Aug/12 -
Hidden 15/Jul/12 Lead
disposition62 ?/Jun/12 2nd O/S
Hidden 26/May/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden 26/May/12 AltLd O/S
david morse 26/May/12 AltLd O/S

Lead p2, didnt find the pocket above the crack...felt nails without this! Best route I've done in the lakes to date

with todd
Sam Parker 14/Apr/12 Lead O/S
with Dad
Pohil 26/Mar/12 AltLd
with John Crook
nakedave 25/Mar/12 Lead
Bob Windsor ?/Mar/12 2nd
with Pete Graham
Stone Idle ??/2012 -
Stone Idle ??/2012 -
cballard ??/2012 -
JonG ??/2012 -
cballard ??/2012 -
Hidden 01/Sep/11 AltLd O/S
nicolat ?/Aug/11 AltLd O/S
with James Mitchell
nicolat ?/Aug/11 AltLd O/S
with James Mitchell
Misha 30/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
with Tom
ellis 24/Jul/11 AltLd rpt

Also failed on nearby route...

with Tom Bridgeland
Hidden 10/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
C coldwell-storry 02/Jul/11 Lead O/S
with rob lay
Rob1988 02/Jul/11 AltLd
with Cal
Andrew Wilson 12/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

Tony linked first 2 pitches. i led 5c pitch, then tony the 5a to the top. amazing route, quite a run out after the flake.

with Tony Womersley
Hidden 27/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
whispering nic 22/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

Very warm. Excellent.

with Buzz
buzby78 22/Apr/11 AltLd
with Nic
Hidden ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
alkira ??/2011 -
tim newton 25/Sep/10 AltLd O/S

main pitch easier than i was expecting. 2 cruxes both well protected, with 5a-ish climbing in between getting steadily more run out

nia ?/Sep/10 AltLd
Ahab 15/May/10 AltLd O/S

Got the crux pitch. Seriously committing moves and felt very sparse on gear. Felt considerably harder than an E2 round the corner (bracken clock).

Hidden ??/2010 -
khawk 13/Sep/09 AltLd
with DT
datoon 13/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
with K
Hidden ?/Sep/09 -
Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe 30/May/09 Lead
with Rachel Hassall
hamish2016 01/Apr/09 2nd O/S
with Luketheape
lukehunt 01/Apr/09 Lead O/S

Cold and Wet, but great climbing!

with Hamish Dunn
Hidden ??/2009 -
Chad123 28/Sep/08 AltLd O/S

Seemed quite tough for E2, must have been having a bad day - the first tricky section is moving away from your gear and the middle section felt pretty bold. Top crux well protected though and last pitch lovely groove climbing in great postion...shame about first 2 pitches!

with Jo
ewen 31/May/08 Lead O/S
with jeb
Alex Mason 14/May/08 Lead O/S

soloed first two pitches, lead next two seconded, top. Amazing route with exposure too rival anything ive done before.

with Tom Martin
dannyboy83 06/May/08 Lead O/S

Brilliant route

GPN ?/May/08 AltLd
with Simon
Hidden 21/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden 21/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
IanJackson 09/Sep/07 Lead O/S

Good Climbing in a great position, on amazing rock!

with ShaunL
Hidden 31/Jul/07 AltLd
Hidden 31/Jul/07 AltLd O/S
Graham Iles 10/Jun/07 AltLd

Cooperman lead the main pitch.

J1PEF ?/Jun/07 AltLd
John Kettle 04/May/07 AltLd O/S
Lee Sheard ?/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
with richard
Hidden ?/Aug/06 Lead O/S
fizzy_elephant 08/Jul/06 AltLd O/S

Supoib. Perhaps quite low in the grade.

with stu
Hidden 08/Jul/06 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Jul/06 -
Hidden 09/Jun/06 Lead O/S
Bella ?/Sep/05 2nd O/S
with Cio
Hidden 07/Aug/05 AltLd O/S
Hidden 17/Jul/05 -
French Erick 08/Jul/05 AltLd O/S
with Jim Holt
Hidden ?/May/04 AltLd rpt
Hidden ??/2004 Lead O/S
Pete Graham ??/2003 2nd
with Rick Graham
Hidden 09/May/02 AltLd
Bobmoz ??/2002 Lead
Bullybones ??/2000 -
simon cox ??/2000 -
Adam Lincoln ??/2000 Lead
craig matheson ??/1999 Lead
p.crooky#1 25/Sep/97 AltLd
with Crotty
FATBOYFAT ??/1997 Lead O/S
with Jim Hatfield
phardman 21/Sep/96 2nd

Done before

D Tempest 15/Sep/96 AltLd
with Rick
Hidden ?/Aug/96 AltLd
michael burrows 01/Jul/95 Lead O/S
with richard parry
daviesxxx ??/1995 Lead
John Southworth 17/Jul/94 AltLd
with Andy MacNae
pingora 16/Jul/94 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/May/94 AltLd
Mick King 06/Sep/93 AltLd

Lead P1 & 3

with Simon Walsh
Jonathan Lagoe - UKC ?/Jul/93 AltLd
with Phil Poole
rob.grafton 06/Jun/93 Lead
with Bruce
NickJH ?/May/93 AltLd O/S
with NBarrowclough
Narked4fun ??/1993 -
Hidden 28/Jun/92 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Jun/92 AltLd
Mick King 20/Jul/91 AltLd

Lead p1 & 3

with Pete Hankinson
pete johnson ?/Jul/91 AltLd O/S
with Pete Swanson
PaulTanton ?/Jul/91 Lead O/S
with Garath Bloor
Hidden 08/Aug/90 2nd
Chris Wright 22/Jul/90 AltLd
Hidden 15/Jul/90 Lead
Hidden 14/Jul/90 AltLd O/S
Eduardo Martinez ??/1990 Lead O/S
Steve Lenartowicz ??/1990 Lead
daviesxxx ??/1990 -
daviesxxx ??/1990 -
onefootholdinthegrave ?/Sep/89 Lead
Hidden 21/Jul/89 2nd
tmawer ??/1989 Lead O/S
Andy Say 11/Jun/88 Lead
Rich Kirby ??/1988 AltLd O/S
with The General (P.Henderson)
Paula Hamilton-Gibson ??/1987 Lead
with Stella Adams
steve taylor ?/Jul/86 AltLd
with Martin Stansbury
Steve Crowe 22/Jun/86 Lead O/S
phil64 ??/1986 Lead
John Marsland 28/Sep/85 Lead
with Tony Rex
Brian Wilderspin 15/Jun/85 Lead O/S
with Vic Hughes
Bob 08/Jun/85 Solo

The crux was fine, it was the blind groove at the top that was frightening.

Hidden ??/1985 -
Mike Owen 18/Jul/84 Lead O/S
with Elaine Owen
Bruce Kerr 13/May/84 2nd
with Dave Simmonds
Lone Rider ?/May/84 AltLd
Paul Clarke ??/1984 Lead
with Unsure
Paul Clarke ??/1984 Lead
with Unsure
Ghastly Rubberfeet 21/Jul/83 Lead
with Tom Redfern
Rob Davies 21/Jul/83 Lead dnf

Couldn't do move R on to arete

with Angus McLean
Neil McA 09/Jul/83 Lead O/S
with Derek Hersey, Steve Andrews
Hidden 19/Jun/83 AltLd O/S
ewar woowar ??/1983 Lead
mark-abz 22/Jul/82 Lead O/S
with Andy W
TonyF 12/Jul/82 AltLd
with Tony Cox
Mark Kemball 29/May/82 AltLd
with Chris Calow
charlesmfrench 16/May/82 AltLd O/S


Bob 18/Apr/82 AltLd O/S
with S. Stean
Hammy 20/Mar/82 AltLd
with Fai Kwong
telemark ??/1982 Lead O/S
with Robin Sills
Campbell42 ?/Jun/81 Lead O/S
with Phil Booth
The Reaper 05/Apr/81 AltLd O/S
duncan ?/Jun/80 AltLd O/S
with Mark ?
redjerry ?/Jun/80 Lead O/S
with Roy Williamson
andy gittins ??/1980 Lead
robinsi197 ??/1980 -
with Barbara
Hidden 09/Jun/79 Lead
Ian Jones ??/1979 2nd O/S

Sure felt hard for E1.

with Tommy Curtis
Hidden 03/Jun/78 AltLd O/S
Hidden 03/Jun/78 AltLd
Martin Bennett 08/Jul/77 -
with JD
Mark Kemball 22/Jun/77 Lead dnf
D Tempest ?/Jan/77 AltLd
Hidden 25/Apr/76 AltLd
Marcus ??/1976 -
Dave Musgrove 23/Jun/75 AltLd O/S

A significant route at the time and one on which we had to make an early ethical decision. Should we use chalk? - We did but felt guilty about it!

Hidden 18/May/75 Lead
Falko 18/May/75 Lead O/S
with Al W.
greenbuoy ?/Aug/74 2nd

Less difficult than expected, but superb position

Seymore Butt ??/1970 AltLd
with Dave Barton
jcw 20/Sep/69 -
with Gordon McNair
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