Climbing inspiration, supported by you

Climbing inspiration, supported by you

Please help UKClimbing continue to provide varied and free content by becoming an official UKC Supporter. You can show your support in one of two ways; both come with rewards, and one includes discounted products from Rockfax.

Please help UKClimbing continue to provide varied and free content by becoming an official UKC Supporter. You can show your support in one of two ways; both come with rewards, and one includes discounted products from Rockfax.

Become a Supporter Become a Supporter
Loading Notifications...

Covid-19

At UKC we are all climbers and we understand the strong urge to be outdoors as the weather is finally improving.

Please proceed with caution though. More details.

UKClimbing Team

20m.

Rockfax Description
Western Grit's tough answer to The Peapod; a classic struggle but a classic nonetheless. The narrow central section is an uphill battle especially for those who are large in the chest or short in the arm! The final section gives glorious jamming. © Rockfax

Fa. Joe Brown 1948

Ticklists

ROCKFAX Western Grit: Top 50, Gritstone's finest gruesome and damaging struggles, Steve Ashton's 100 Classic Gritstone Climbs, ROCKFAX Western Grit Grade List, World Graded List, Moorland Grit - The Essential Selection (Over The Moors), Work Hard, Play Hard, Peak Rock/6/ The Emergence of Joe Brown and Don Whillans, Joe Brown's Three-Star Grit-List, Joe Browns Shops 50th Anniversary Celebration Routes List, The best the UK has to offer for mere mortals (apart from the lakes cos its always wet), Over the Moors 3 Star Magical Mystery Tour, Definitive *** Peak Grit, An attempt at a definitive list of Joe Brown's FA/FFA in the Peak District

Feedback

User Date Notes
Paul Evans 6 Aug, 2007 Show βeta
βeta: Significantly harder than Peapod! 		βeta?
Show beta
βeta: Significantly harder than Peapod!
pdhu 25 Jul, 2005 Show βeta
βeta: E2 if you're wearing shorts! I thought this was harder than Freddy's Finale. 		βeta?
Show beta
βeta: E2 if you're wearing shorts! I thought this was harder than Freddy's Finale.
Login as Existing User to add your feedback

Logged Ascents

User Date Style Notes & Partners
Theo Moore - UKC and UKH u 21 Sep, 2019 2nd dog
with Anna G
with Anna G
Hidden 21 Sep, 2019 Lead O/S
markalmack 8 Sep, 2019 Lead O/S
with Trouble Bird
with Trouble Bird
dan gibson 21 Jul, 2019 Lead O/S
with katy_abra
with katy_abra
George Frisby 6 Jul, 2019 Lead rpt Felt fine once I relaxed into the knee wedges and didn't overgrip on the jams.
with Rock_Lizard_3
Felt fine once I relaxed into the knee wedges and didn't overgrip on the jams.
with Rock_Lizard_3
George Frisby 2 Jul, 2019 Lead dog First time making last the v groove, happy to know it's possible, hopefully will go clean next time.
with outdoors.nick
First time making last the v groove, happy to know it's possible, hopefully will go clean next time.
with outdoors.nick
outdoors.nick 2 Jul, 2019 2nd dnf
with George Frisby
with George Frisby
George Frisby 30 Jun, 2019 Lead dnf Did about a third of the initial groove, not enough beans after blue lights. Know to face left side into the crack now though.
with luke_blazejewski
Did about a third of the initial groove, not enough beans after blue lights. Know to face left side into the crack now though.
with luke_blazejewski
Vincej 4 Aug, 2018 2nd
with Nevil
with Nevil
Hidden 4 Aug, 2018 Lead
Ilia Nadyrbayev 14 Jul, 2018 2nd dnf
with Kirill
with Kirill
Kirill 14 Jul, 2018 Lead dnf Didn't get very far...
with Ilia Nadyrbayev
Didn't get very far...
with Ilia Nadyrbayev
rowland penty 30 Jun, 2018 Lead dnf Hard. Took a while to work out how to make any progress at all, thought I found a way, but then it felt bad on my shoulder and I backed off.
with George Frisby
Hard. Took a while to work out how to make any progress at all, thought I found a way, but then it felt bad on my shoulder and I backed off.
with George Frisby
Marti999 u 17 Jul, 2017 Lead Now that's what I call a fight.
Now that's what I call a fight.
db79 18 Jun, 2017 2nd dog What a sandbag.
What a sandbag.
devious wally 5 May, 2017 Lead dnf Another frustrating few attempts
with mrphilipoldham
Another frustrating few attempts
with mrphilipoldham
mrphilipoldham 5 May, 2017 Lead G/U Second go today.. ground up being the easy ledge at the bottom of the horror show! Bleeding knees. Happy.
with devious wally
Second go today.. ground up being the easy ledge at the bottom of the horror show! Bleeding knees. Happy.
with devious wally
George Frisby 2 Apr, 2017 2nd dog Found the crux impossible so had to haul up.
with mrphilipoldham
Found the crux impossible so had to haul up.
with mrphilipoldham
Hidden 11 Sep, 2016 2nd
Stroppy 11 Sep, 2016 Lead O/S Don't understand how this is HVS and the other 2 get E1, all well protected but this is an absolute ordeal!? Highly recommended.
with Hastie
Don't understand how this is HVS and the other 2 get E1, all well protected but this is an absolute ordeal!? Highly recommended.
with Hastie
soph 9 Sep, 2016 2nd O/S Thrutchy
with morganator
Thrutchy
with morganator
morganator u 9 Sep, 2016 Lead
with soph
with soph
ferdia 15 Aug, 2016 Lead O/S
with Andy Moles
with Andy Moles
Hidden 15 Aug, 2016 2nd
Hidden 6 Aug, 2016 Lead O/S
poeter210 1 Aug, 2016 Lead dnf Bloody hell!
with druss
Bloody hell!
with druss
Flavio 23 Jul, 2016 Lead O/S Another of Joe's "proper HVS". Enough said. Thanks for the golden swag!
with w-watson
Another of Joe's "proper HVS". Enough said. Thanks for the golden swag!
with w-watson
w-watson 23 Jul, 2016 2nd
with Flavio
with Flavio
mrphilipoldham 20 Jul, 2016 Lead dnf Got half way up the v-groove.. to be continued..
with devious wally
Got half way up the v-groove.. to be continued..
with devious wally
devious wally 20 Jul, 2016 Lead dnf Will go once I can find the extra friction
with mrphilipoldham
Will go once I can find the extra friction
with mrphilipoldham
Duncan Campbell u 19 Jul, 2016 Lead O/S Well green! Found it hard but I'm crap at this sort of shizzle. Nearly fell off at the top of the groove. Too hard to be E1 - this is a definitive HVS grovel. The sort of thing Joe and Don are known for.
with Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing
Well green! Found it hard but I'm crap at this sort of shizzle. Nearly fell off at the top of the groove. Too hard to be E1 - this is a definitive HVS grovel. The sort of thing Joe and Don are known for.
with Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing
Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing u 19 Jul, 2016 2nd They (thankfully for Dunc) don't make them like this anymore. A superb grovel-a-thon up the spectacularly green groove. Not one for the faint hearted!
with Duncan Campbell
They (thankfully for Dunc) don't make them like this anymore. A superb grovel-a-thon up the spectacularly green groove. Not one for the faint hearted!
with Duncan Campbell
Hidden 9 May, 2016 2nd
adi bryant 3 Oct, 2015 Lead G/U What a climb. Went the wrong way n fell off. Went the right way n fought much harder on it than owt else I've done all year. Only only just.
with ian Wignall
What a climb. Went the wrong way n fell off. Went the right way n fought much harder on it than owt else I've done all year. Only only just.
with ian Wignall
John sealey 3 Oct, 2015 2nd
with si witcher
with si witcher
Si Witcher 3 Oct, 2015 Lead O/S Textbook V-groove technique. Bone dry and clean, despite the bright green colour.
with John sealey
Textbook V-groove technique. Bone dry and clean, despite the bright green colour.
with John sealey
Andy Peak 1 8 Aug, 2015 Lead O/S Good clean fun, use of knees on the wall of the pod make it fairly simpel
with Pete O'Donovan
Good clean fun, use of knees on the wall of the pod make it fairly simpel
with Pete O'Donovan
Just Another Dave 5 Jul, 2015 Lead O/S Nothing like Peapod, actually: Felt very much like Strapiombo at Pant Ifan, but thankfully much shorter! Every single inch of progress is seriously hard work.
with sam kendrick
Nothing like Peapod, actually: Felt very much like Strapiombo at Pant Ifan, but thankfully much shorter! Every single inch of progress is seriously hard work.
with sam kendrick
chrishedgehog 24 Jun, 2015 Lead OMG! What the £^*$ was that?! Left hand jamming, three flailing limbs. Medium to long run-out up to the block as I couldn't imagine how to let go long enough to put gear in. Prepared to swing down onto a cam below me early on, got wedged above it purely by accident so decided against jumping off, had a rest and then got on with it and did it, so sort of clean onsight...! Humid, midgy, green, bit dank, can't move my arms today. Most effort ever expended to gain 20ft. They didn't have cams in 1948. What a route.
with James Rees
OMG! What the £^*$ was that?! Left hand jamming, three flailing limbs. Medium to long run-out up to the block as I couldn't imagine how to let go long enough to put gear in. Prepared to swing down onto a cam below me early on, got wedged above it purely by accident so decided against jumping off, had a rest and then got on with it and did it, so sort of clean onsight...! Humid, midgy, green, bit dank, can't move my arms today. Most effort ever expended to gain 20ft. They didn't have cams in 1948. What a route.
with James Rees
Rob Davies ? Jun, 2015 AltLd dnf 22 years on this now seems much harder. Angus got higher but kept sliding off. Maybe the knee pads are a handicap?
with Angus McLean
22 years on this now seems much harder. Angus got higher but kept sliding off. Maybe the knee pads are a handicap?
with Angus McLean
Hidden 21 Jun, 2014 2nd O/S
Dohnny_Jawes 21 Jun, 2014 Lead O/S
with Michael Porter
with Michael Porter
Dohnny_Jawes 21 Jun, 2014 Lead O/S
with Michael Porter
with Michael Porter
MikeDowsett 18 Aug, 2013 2nd
with Paul Tretheway, jshields
with Paul Tretheway, jshields
jshields 18 Aug, 2013 2nd
with MikeDowsett, Paul Tretheway
with MikeDowsett, Paul Tretheway
Brown 27 Jul, 2013 Lead
with Andy R
with Andy R
thetradlad 29 Jun, 2013 Lead dog Fantastic. Josh loved every minute of it too :)
with joshdaymond
Fantastic. Josh loved every minute of it too :)
with joshdaymond
andi turner ??, 2013 -
Frank the Husky ??, 2013 -
jorge1983 ? Aug, 2012 Lead dnf
Tony Holdsworth 27 May, 2012 Lead dnf Felt the shoulder stating up so gave in
with Joanna House
Felt the shoulder stating up so gave in
with Joanna House
Bob Windsor 26 May, 2012 AltLd
with Rick Graham
with Rick Graham
Tony Kartawick ??, 2012 -
ryan118116 1 Sep, 2011 TR
wahniel 23 Jul, 2011 Lead dog found it almost impossible. Am wide chested, could not get one arm above the other to jam properly. For me, much harder than peapod at curbar or tower chimney at stanage. HVS 5c in my book.
with Robin Hoffmann
found it almost impossible. Am wide chested, could not get one arm above the other to jam properly. For me, much harder than peapod at curbar or tower chimney at stanage. HVS 5c in my book.
with Robin Hoffmann
teamrob 23 Jul, 2011 2nd dnf Errrrrrr. Not even close to getting up it.
with Dan
Errrrrrr. Not even close to getting up it.
with Dan
Tom Randall - Lattice Training 20 Apr, 2011 Lead
walts4 ??, 2011 -
Hidden 22 Jun, 2010 2nd O/S
Hidden 22 Jun, 2010 2nd O/S
shed_hed 19 Sep, 2009 2nd dog
with Graeme Hammond
with Graeme Hammond
Graeme Hammond 19 Sep, 2009 Lead O/S Classic traditional battle, but still SO GOOD what a smile on my face as topped out!!! Much harder than the Peapod.
with shed_hed
Classic traditional battle, but still SO GOOD what a smile on my face as topped out!!! Much harder than the Peapod.
with shed_hed
mattyork2 13 Sep, 2009 Lead O/S Oh my God! Outrageous. 'Fell off' but got stuck in the crack on the way out before the rope took me away - and carried on up in a most desparate desparate fashion. Scars all over. Should have hand jammed front on.
with Ben Heason
Oh my God! Outrageous. 'Fell off' but got stuck in the crack on the way out before the rope took me away - and carried on up in a most desparate desparate fashion. Scars all over. Should have hand jammed front on.
with Ben Heason
jonka ? Sep, 2009 -
with gareth
with gareth
Hidden 13 Jul, 2008 Lead O/S
Hidden 11 Jul, 2008 2nd
SR1970 ? Jul, 2008 Lead O/S
Hidden 24 Jul, 2007 2nd
gregoritos ? May, 2007 Lead O/S
Rob Kennard ??, 2007 -
babymoac 23 Jul, 2005 Lead
with James Gill
with James Gill
Carl Smethurst 7 Jul, 2005 Lead dnf Desparate! Respect to J Brown...
with Ian Pickles
Desparate! Respect to J Brown...
with Ian Pickles
sadams 27 Sep, 2003 Lead
with Eric Hildrew
with Eric Hildrew
sadams 27 Sep, 2003 Lead O/S
with Eric Hildrew
with Eric Hildrew
Hidden ? Sep, 2003 Lead O/S
DubyaJamesDubya 9 Aug, 2003 Lead O/S
with Nik Howard
with Nik Howard
cem 13 Jul, 2003 Lead O/S
with Jonathan Astin
with Jonathan Astin
tmawer ? Jun, 2000 Lead dnf Too green and tricky for me today.
with chris king
Too green and tricky for me today.
with chris king
Boy ??, 2000 -
Ian Jones ??, 2000 Lead O/S
with John Kirk
with John Kirk
roncaves 26 Jun, 1999 Lead
with Gavin Williams
with Gavin Williams
John Marsland 28 May, 1994 2nd
with Dave Soles
with Dave Soles
ste_d 25 Aug, 1993 2nd O/S
with Mike_d78
with Mike_d78
Mike_d78 u 25 Aug, 1993 Lead dog
with ste_d
with ste_d
Rob Davies ? Jul, 1993 Lead Weird chimneying, locking leg across groove, seemed to work, though I had scabs on my knees for weeks.
with Charles Kinniburgh
Weird chimneying, locking leg across groove, seemed to work, though I had scabs on my knees for weeks.
with Charles Kinniburgh
Paul Clarke ??, 1993 Lead
with FMC
with FMC
Andy Say 10 Jun, 1992 Lead O/S
Roget 30 Jul, 1989 Lead O/S
with jim
with jim
Hidden 18 Apr, 1982 Lead
Hidden ? Aug, 1981 Lead
charlesmfrench 12 Jul, 1981 Lead
Neil McA u 10 May, 1980 2nd
with Mick Ward
with Mick Ward
uphillnow ??, 1976 Lead very dry but still dirty
with Al Bennett
very dry but still dirty
with Al Bennett
clanger ??, 1972 -
47 users have this on their wishlist
Voting
High E2
Mid E2
Low E2
High E1
Mid E1
Low E1
High HVS
Mid HVS
Low HVS
Votes cast 32
High 5c
Mid 5c
Low 5c
High 5b
Mid 5b
Low 5b
High 5a
Mid 5a
Low 5a
Votes cast 33
Votes cast 30
Please Login as Existing User to vote
Style of Ascent
Lead
Followed
Alt Leads
Toproped
Not Set
Onsighted
DNF
Dogged
Ground Up
Repeated
Not Set
Route of Interest
fighting hard to remove those fiddly wires

Cameo

Grade: E1 5a ***
(Wilton 1)