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Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
Of the estimated 82,315 visitors this month, only 1380 posted last week. Why do people read the forums and not post? Surely some have unanswered questions about climbing and gear, or the meaning of the universe, which could be answered on these forums?


(And how do UKC arrive at such an apparently random number as an estimate?)

 Dominion 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:

> (And how do UKC arrive at such an apparently random number as an estimate?)

Web-sites are on computers. Computers are good at logging statistics. One statistic will the number of visitors, who have probably viewed at least one thread.

Nick would probably be able to tell you the number of times this particular thread has been viewed, if he could be bothered. It will be recorded somewhere.
Ian 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
That wont be individual visitors will it? Rather total visits...

But the forums do scare people from posting due to the "cliques" who turn on newbies and tear their online personas apart
 sutty 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ian:

>But the forums do scare people from posting due to the "cliques" who turn on newbies and tear their online personas apart

Point us at one, most of them are kids messing about. They get ribbed sometimes when they ask about doing Mt Blanc for the thoird time in a week. Somehow they seem to all be dyslexic and also to have tossed it off when doing IT studies at school as they cannot do searches or write in some form of English the older less educated can read easily.

The cliques are all virtual anyway. If people wish to go on meets nobody has ever been told they cannot come. Everyone is welcome, be it the one cidernut is organising or the drinks meets some people publish on here.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Dominion:
> (In reply to Rosie A)
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> Web-sites are on computers. Computers are good at logging statistics. One statistic will the number of visitors, who have probably viewed at least one thread.
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If it's a statistic it could be logged in this way rather than as an estimate? Or maybe they give it as an estimate because of people with multiple personas.
 kevin stephens 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
unanswered questions about climbing and gear, or the meaning of the universe, which could be answered on these

Hardly, when considering the utter tripe and uninformed drivel output by the to 20 posters each week.

This is what probably puts off folk with serious questions
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens: Most of the utter drivel is confined to the chat room though isn't it, and unless they have profiles they won't be able to access that. The other forums are generally fairly erudite aren't they?
 sutty 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens:

Gee thanks mate, I appreciate that comment;-(
 kevin stephens 06 Nov 2005
In reply to sutty:

Ok, Harrogate weather and electrical questions excepted ;-)
 Dominion 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens:

Oi! What about techy support for computer problems?
 kevin stephens 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Dominion:

right, one question, twenty different answers, and often no solution
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens: Here's another top 10 poster. What about the utterly vital and life-changing search for the origin of the word 'Britain?'

4 top 10 posters on 1 thread! Wow, big league stuff here!
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens: pssst... Don't keep posting, that's how you get into the top 10, Kevin.
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: Oops, I overestimated you - you're only a lowly 17!
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens: But we all have the opportunity to raise the tone of the forums by posting, should we so desire.

Isn't it a little voyeuristic to read and not post? Why not take a risk, set up a profile and contribute?

Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Dominion: You should be on a fee, you spend ages sorting out people's computer problems. And you're always spot on with advice.

Which reminds me....
In reply to Rosie A:

It isn't a random number, it is the number of 'unique hosts' which visit the forums in a month. This has been discussed before and is the universally accepted method across the Internet of measuring visitors to sites. The figure itself is measureable exactly, which is why we have such a precise number. Whether it actually corresponds to separate real people visiting the site is a matter for debate but there as many people who regard it as an over estimate as there are as an under estimate.

Why this figure is so much higher than the number of people who actually post is not that surprising though. I suspect that most of us visit many sites with forums without actually posting. I think the 82,000 figure is more a testimony of the reach of UKC and how it crops up time and again on searches and people who have come to the site via Google searches are not so likely to post. This was very well illustrated by Stephen Reid's Haskett Smith thread which became the top Google hit for the word Haskett Smith within 2 weeks of being posted - http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Haskett+Smith&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF... .

Alan
 Postmanpat 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens:
Oi ,don't upset Dominion . He and Chris Tan are my unofficial help desk .
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: Did you see the Haskett Smith thread? Quite an astonishing demonstration of the power of the internet (and UKC!). Quite moving too.
In reply to Rosie A:
> Of the estimated 82,315 visitors this month, only 1380 posted last week. Why do people read the forums and not post?

They may not even be looking at the forums - it's visitors to the SITE isn't it? There is rather more to UKClimbing than the forums.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
Just to indicate how the quality of the forums could be improved immeasurably...

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=153727&v=1#2178468

 Jason Kirk 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: Nice one Rosie. So Stephen what was that about utter trivial nonsense.
 sutty 06 Nov 2005
Wingman@work 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:


I guess I may be more of a 'lurker' than a poster. I enjoy reading what people have to say, and where I have something positive to contribute I will, but it isn't that often!
 jools 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
>Isn't it a little voyeuristic to read and not post? Why not take a risk, set up a profile and contribute?

> Just to indicate how the quality of the forums could be improved immeasurably...
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> http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=153727&v=1#2178468

So just to not be voyeuristic, how would you contribute to this thread....

utter drivel, idle chit chat, deep meaningful conversations and answers to life the universe and cam placements is what makes this forum what it is...

you have the choice to view a thread, post or not. You shouldnt point the finger for not posting because they same argument could be applied for those that do.

its just a wonderful mish mash of tripe and gold...


 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to jools: Spot on thred-link to illustrate your point! Explain that one, Mr. Critical Stephens.
 sutty 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Steve Parker:

Some people want a plumber, some a belay device, some rock shoes, he wants a sofa.

I want a recipe to make couscous edible.
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to sutty: Mix it with ice cream.
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to sutty: How you doing, number 3? I should be catching you up after this weekend!
 sutty 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Steve Parker:

IT'S A FIX!
;-p
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to jools: I would contribute by saying, 'If I ever get to name a route it will be called, glad I'm not shopping for sofas.
 Dominion 06 Nov 2005
In reply to sutty:
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> I want a recipe to make couscous edible.

Make sure you have it with other food that has a lot of liquid with it, and fairly herby. Something like aubergines and courgettes, with chopped tomatoes, herbs and onions (with extra chopped tomato for extra liquid)
 practicalcat 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
I quite often lurk without posting because I'm keeping an eye open for something that would interest me, for instance when I was looking for a new sleeping bag and day sack, I kept an eye on the for sale forum for a while... I also look out for people to climb with, but am a little shy about posting myself.
 jools 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Dominion:

not bad with a tagine...
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to practicalcat: I agree, shyness and fear of a flaming must be issues. personally find having a high profile on here generally useful, because people feel they know me, so seem less hesitant to trust me over buying and selling gear, or meeting me to climb.

Course they are totally misguided, as the contents of my freezer will one day reveal.

 sutty 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:

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Course they are totally misguided, as the contents of my freezer will one day reveal.

Wondered where CJD was.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to sutty: Beautifully bagged and labelled...

I shall be no 1 poster!

So sutty, when are you, me and Stevie P meeting for this drink?

Mwahahahahah...
kevster747 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: I like this place its as random as most conversations i seem to have dans la pub. Starts on one thread then just goes.
Ste Brom 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: im inclined to believe that lurkers dont wish to enter the arena of the retarded. over the months ive come to believe that all persistent posters here are actually 15 yr old goths from arkansas with nowt going on in their lives other than their tawdry opinions and an inclination to rant over a particular topic that neither they or you care about apart from that strong desire to acheive the mythical status of 'top 40 poster' (read belmer with nowt to do). and should anyone attempt to join a thread, they are usually met with a tide of derision from other top 40 posters, or at least ignored. personally, i dont climb and never have, but i imagine the insularity of the climbing world is adequately reflected in this website and i genuinely do find your opinions at once entertaining and lame, all garnished with a healthy dose of middle class white snobbery that comes part and parcel with 'extreme' sports with initially expensive outlay costs.
 kevin stephens 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ste Brom:

Ste

You are only partly right. Many of the top 40 posters are not really representative of the real UK climbing world, which is certainly not as insular as parts of this site may lead you to believe
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ste Brom:

Strange. I find most people on here quite intelligent and quite welcoming. You do get the occasional superior critic who really does think their dazzling critique is something special, of course, but that's to be expected. I know loads of climbers in the 'real world', and I reckon the UKC top 40 is as representative a demographic cross section as you could hope to find. Maybe you just don't like climbers. Sorry if I'm being snobby or middle class, I was born on a back street in Liverpool and my Dad was unemployed for a lot of my childhood. That's my excuse anyway.
Ste Brom 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Steve Parker:

Of course I climb.

Yes Im from Liverpool.

And yes Im winding you up. Or trolled. Or whatever.

But you are right, I dont like climbers, tossers the lot of 'em!

Tongue firmly in cheek of course.



 Jason Kirk 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ste Brom: I've only met one other person in the top 40 in the real world and she seemed pretty normal to me. As for middle white class snobbery I think you are seeing something that isn't there. Also if you're not a climber why are you here?
Ste Brom 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Jason Kirk:
Also if you're not a climber why are you here?

Is that the insularity I was talking about perchance?


 Jason Kirk 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ste Brom: Stop trolling. This is a climbers forum for climbers to talk about climbing and whatever else takes their fancy. If you don't like it/us then please feel free to go away. We don't bite and it really is harmless fun you know.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens: Fancy a climb one day?
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ste Brom: Okay, fair cop you scouse tw*t!
Minerva 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Jason Kirk:
> (In reply to Ste Brom) Stop trolling. This is a climbers forum for climbers to talk about climbing and whatever else takes their fancy.

Flippin 'eck, is it? Somehow I'd started to believe it was a pick-up joint for randy scots persons and Flossie! ;o)

<no offence is intended by this post, it is meant to be light-hearted and very, very tongue in cheek>
 Jason Kirk 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Minerva: I'm not sure what you mean. i have heard that the RSPCA is starting to take an interest in the alleged abuse of Flossie and is looking for witnesses but so far no one has come forward.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Minerva:
> (In reply to Jason Kirk)
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> very, very tongue in cheek>


You're just trying to provoke the Scots all over again wi yer sexual innuendos.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Jason Kirk:
> We don't bite

You and Steve Parker both did!

Heh heh heh!!!
Minerva 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: Do they need provocation?
 Jason Kirk 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: Yes and feeling quite stupid but nothing new there then.
 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A: I like being trolled. Trolling is GOOD! I'll get him back. I won't sleep until I get him back. I won't rest until he and his whole scouse brood have been trolled into the Mersey and have woken up surrounded by amorous Woollybacks in Hoylake. Damn, damn, damn!
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Jason Kirk: No worries, I'm waiting for Kevin Stevens to take up my offer of a climb. If he's not an elitist and insular extreme sportsman that is.

Me, I'll climb with anyone...
Ste Brom 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Steve Parker: Well its all good fun and it beat answering herbal viagra spam dunnit.
besides if you were in work on a sunday you'd want to brutally spank someone clockworkesque stylee, or at very least rile one of the 82,000 odd lurkers you mentioned into making a rash statement or two.
so funny, but in another way, sooooo sad. my life now has no meaning or depth. Oh yeah, I have icq for that.

 Steve Parker 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Ste Brom: Kick the door in and go night-climbing at Pex Hill.
 Norrie Muir 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
> (In reply to Minerva)
> You're just trying to provoke the Scots all over again wi yer sexual innuendos.

Dear Rosie

Not being sophisticated enough to pick up on her sexual innuendos, could you explain what she was trying to suggest?

Norrie
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Norrie Muir: No worries Norrie if you're not getting it. (Scuse the pun).
Ste Brom 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Steve Parker: Pex? bollocks, the breck is far superior. it takes a maaaaaan to climb there.
 Norrie Muir 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
> (In reply to Norrie Muir) No worries Norrie if you're not getting it.

Dear Rosie

You still have not explained her suggestion, are you so inadequate?

Norrie
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Norrie Muir:
> (In reply to Rosie A)
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>, are you so inadequate?
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Deeply, in the presence of such greatness as yours Norrie.

And I wouldn't want to offend your sensibilities. I know you are a little coy when it comes to these matters.
 Norrie Muir 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
> (In reply to Norrie Muir)
> And I wouldn't want to offend your sensibilities. I know you are a little coy when it comes to these matters.

Dear Rosie

As in climbing, some talk about it, some dream about it and other do it.

Norrie
 kevin stephens 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Rosie A:
Of course, and anyone else from the top 40 posters, anything to drag you lot away from your computers

(been working over weekend; my excuse)

I enjoy climbing in all its forms, esp mountain routes. I have got to know and climbed with a few on RT over the years. Next picnic?

Thanks folks for the overdue sensible, non elitist sofa advice. I will be getting carpet and wallpaper too and colout coordination is not my best skill

Minerva 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Norrie Muir: There was no innuendo Norrie.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to Norrie Muir:
> (In reply to Rosie A)
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> > As in climbing, some talk about it, some dream about it and other do it.
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> Norrie

Precisely. And we both know which category you and I belong in.

Gotta turn in now, got some hot dreams to catch up on.
Rosie A 06 Nov 2005
In reply to kevin stephens: Would really like to try some more multipitch stuff as long as it doesn't include any E5 pitches!


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