In reply to leland stamper:
10/10 for pointless comment.
The internet is here for help, why wouldn't you use it?
If you even read the original post, it said we were going camping with the kids and just wanted to do a little top rope with them one afternoon.
£20 guide book for valley I may never go to again and would only be spending a couple of hours in at most? I don't even think a guidebook writer would think that to be a great idea.
I've only recently started climbing out doors, with Southern Sandstone being my closest and guess what is sitting on my book shelf.........?