In reply to alan moore:
> Also doubt the kayakers are too keen on the people suggesting fouling their patch instead.
It's always worth reflecting on the fact that we share 'climbing areas' with other outdoor enthusiasts.
A few years ago I was belaying a friend at Stoney Middleton. The base of the climb was next to a coffin-shaped hole. As my mate reached the crux, some rustling noises could be heard in the darkness. Eventually a student-aged caver emerged, then another, then another, until about eight of them were stood around me staring up at my mate.
Ths thing is, they were soaking wet from the caving and the water ran off them, pooling in a depression in the ground in which the rest of my kit was stored.
Then one of the youths piped up, "Oi mate, we're getting all your gear wet!" And they all laughed. They simply stood there making no attempt to redress the situation - neither moving away from my rucksack nor offering to move it for me.
"That's karma", I replied, "...because not five minutes ago I took a huge steaming piss in to that hole you've all just crawled out of. I literally aimed at the huge root you all used as a handhold."
Never seen so many smiles drop so fast. Priceless! (I don't pee there any more.)