In reply to Fredt:
>and it's never been welcoming anytime in the past 5 decades.
True, was no climbers when I first went there.
Turned Jack Longland away with other luminaries and he got them closed due to stopping the beer supplies through the old boy network.
I went in one day in smart casual while the rest of the climbing team waited outside, ordered all their drinks then went and told them we had got served. He told them they would not get served so we never paid for the drinks, just left him to throw them away.
Grouse up the road is good, and only as far from the car park.