In reply to IceKing:
> He's going to win isn't he? (Trump)
> You know that creeping doom feeling you may have had as the referendum votes were being counted
Well if Guardianistas (and their American equivalents), keep losing popular votes (the last 2 GEs in the UK, the referendum, etc, etc) and become ever more hated and despised (and ever increasingly, ridiculed), possibly, just possibly, they should learn from the experience and change their approach.
Consider their audience, stop using private and arcane language and starting from ludicrous assumptions that no-one but them and their echo chamber are ever going to share.
Like they could stop being such preachy, self-righteous, sneering snobs, clinging to their self-proclaimed and entirely imaginary intellectual and moral superiority. Or stop being abusive and talking down to or at people and actually LISTEN to them. Perhaps they could not quite so often refer to anyone of different views to them as stupid, ignorant bigots, xenophobes, racists, uneducated and all the rest of the Guardianista catechism, thus immediately removing the faint chance that the people being harangued will change their view in the direction that the Guardianista wants.
Guardianistas may be quite good at influencing people, but only in the sense that the way to make a goat go in one direction is to tug it violently the other way. Set peoples teeth on edge at the start and you have not a snowball's chance in hell of converting them to your view.
Yes I realise this is abuse to Guardianistas, but then I am not trying in the least to persuade them of anything, not that it would be remotely worthwhile to try. Actually I would rather have them against me, I would not trust them for an instant as allies. So no irony here.
Na, not going to happen is it? Would require some humility and some self-knowledge. Also the catechism of abuse is all they know, they have no alternative. It was famously said of the Bourbon monarchy that they had "Learnt nothing and forgotten nothing", it is an equally good characterisation of the modern left.
As you were then - ideological purity in powerless irrelevance.
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