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Equipment name consensus: Krabs

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 wiwwim 02 Dec 2024

Should I call them carabiners, karabiners, krabs or clips? 

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 The Norris 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Biners

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 TMM 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Snapgates and screwgates

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 montyjohn 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Crabs

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 CantClimbTom 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Krabs if British and oldskool (why the "k" not "c" I don't know), biners if you're American or a coolkid

Biners gives the nice phrase for carabiners you found (or some reason they're cr*p) and don't mind abandoning if needed, as "bin biners"

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 Pedro50 02 Dec 2024
In reply to CantClimbTom:

Biners and "leaver biners" 

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 deepsoup 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Carabiners, karabiners, krabs or 'biners, but not clips.

Also if you want to be specific, snapgates, wiregates, screwgates, twistlocks, "lockers" generally.

Edit to add: 
And yes!  The old ones that you're happy to abseil or lower off but also relatively happy to leave behind: "leaver biners".

Post edited at 22:07
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 Tom Ripley 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Snappers and screwies 

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 oldie 02 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Snaplinks. 😀. Pretty good descriptive term too. 

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 AlanLittle 03 Dec 2024
In reply to CantClimbTom:

> Krabs if British and oldskool (why the "k" not "c" I don't know), biners if you're American or a coolkid

With a k is the original German spelling that seems to be falling out of use in English. "Biner" was the standard American term but is disapproved of over there these days because it sounds similar to a racial slur for Mexicans.

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 Robert Durran 03 Dec 2024
In reply to The Norris:

> Biners

God no.  Really needs stamping out.

Almost as bad as "lockers".

Post edited at 08:22
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 CantClimbTom 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I'm not super keen on "lockers" but it feels less odd than Tom R's "screwies". Sorry Tom!

In reply to wiwwim:

There's a lot to be said for using the simplest and most distinctive names for climbing gear, especially when communicating in a strong wind. E.g. Krabs, nuts, wires, cams, rope...

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 Robert Durran 03 Dec 2024
In reply to CantClimbTom:

> I'm not super keen on "lockers" but it feels less odd than Tom R's "screwies". Sorry Tom!

Yes, screwies is silly.

Krabs, subdivided into snaplinks and screwgates is all that is needed, or indeed tolerable.

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 Tom Ripley 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> Yes, screwies is silly.

> Krabs, subdivided into snaplinks and screwgates is all that is needed, or indeed tolerable.

Do you still downrope to descend from climbs, or have to succumbed to the european fripperies of rappelling and abseiling? 

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 Iamgregp 03 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

+1 for ‘biners

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 oldie 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Tom Ripley:

> Do you still downrope to descend from climbs, or have to succumbed to the european fripperies of rappelling and abseiling? 

Actually roping down is the correct terminology.

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 PaulJepson 03 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Krabs, so you don't have any nasty mixups when you ask your mate to bring some.


 Robert Durran 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Tom Ripley:

> Do you still downrope to descend from climbs, or have to succumbed to the european fripperies of rappelling and abseiling? 

No, to my shame. My late uncle, who took me to the Alps for the first time as a teenager did however insist on "roping down" and would have none of the foreign nonsense (he also read aloud apt passages from Whymper or Mummery the night before each daring ascent). 

 abcdefg 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

> No, to my shame. My late uncle, who took me to the Alps for the first time as a teenager did however insist on "roping down" and would have none of the foreign nonsense (he also read aloud apt passages from Whymper or Mummery the night before each daring ascent). 

Spiffing!

 Dave Garnett 03 Dec 2024
In reply to abcdefg:

> Spiffing!

Capital!

Reminds me of this:


 wercat 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

but not as bad as "batters", nothing could be as bad as that ....

> Almost as bad as "lockers".

 Mark Kemball 03 Dec 2024
In reply to oldie:

> Snaplinks.

This is  what my dad called the old (ex army?) krab he'd bought in the early 50s.

 Robert Durran 03 Dec 2024
In reply to wercat:

> but not as bad as "batters", nothing could be as bad as that ....

I can well believe it. But what are they?

 C Rettiw 03 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

If you mean the stuff people carry round their waists, I reckon it's spelt "carbs".

 abcdefg 03 Dec 2024
In reply to C Rettiw:

> If you mean the stuff people carry round their waists, I reckon it's spelt "carbs".

But you can get crabs down there as well.

 AlanLittle 03 Dec 2024
In reply to oldie:

> Actually roping down is the correct terminology.

It is, after all, an accurate translation of "abseilen"

 ScraggyGoat 03 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

I’m at the locker, dirt me dude.……

…. Now awaiting a Durran explosion !

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 Ian Parsons 04 Dec 2024
In reply to ScraggyGoat:

> I’m at the locker, dirt me dude.……

Sounds like something a toproper would say. O tempora, o mores! 

 wercat 04 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

batsmen and batswomen

 Pedro50 04 Dec 2024
In reply to wercat:

I think Third Man should have become Third Person.

 GrahamD 04 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

"Clippy Things" is the normal climbers' term. 

OP wiwwim 04 Dec 2024
In reply to Tom Ripley:

> Snappers and screwies 

Actually I use screwies for screw gates and -dare I say it, quickies for QuickDraws . Going to stick with carabiners for now.  Calling them krabs feels like when people say San Fran or ‘Cisco when they mean San Francisco, it lessens their worth somewhat.  Laterz.

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 Clwyd Chris 04 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Recreational connectors  has a nice ring to it 

 wercat 05 Dec 2024
In reply to Clwyd Chris:

what, like doggers?

Putting the clips in- my go to term for equipping a sport route with quickdraws.

In reply to wiwwim:

The fact that I use all of krabs, biners, lockers, and c/karabiners interchangeably (interestingly I think it's one of the very few words I say much more than I spell) is probably, in hindsight, part of why I so confuse non-climbing or non-English friends any time I ask them to pass me a piece of gear... 

(I would say 'bail out biner', but I may have picked that up Canada. I have never heard leaver.)

Also add the delightful 'widget', now that my memory's turned to mush, and more importantly, refusing to specify exactly what you're talking about is a wonderful way to bring a little dose of chaos to those who know and love you.

But my favourite climbing term will always be, 'that's the badger' - as in encouragement from a belayer (not a novel piece of equipment). I hope to continue to pass this on to future generations. 

 Darron 06 Dec 2024
In reply to Robert Durran:

Was that the trip Sir Hugeley Havering put Binder in charge? Good show old chap!

 deepsoup 06 Dec 2024
In reply to Will_Thomas_Harris:

> Putting the clips in- my go to term for equipping a sport route with quickdraws.

Totally fine, but strangely I don't think "the clips" in this case are the 'biners, nor even the quickdraws exactly.  I think "the clip" is what would be "the gear" on a trad route, the whole ensemble of the thing that you clip.

 CameronDuff14 09 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

The current consensus amongst us young-uns seems to be:

k/crabs or biners: equally used terms for any carabiner.

locker: any type of locking karabiner.

draws or clips: equally used terms for quickdraws - but in slightly different ways. E.g. "I'll bring my draws" vs. "I'll leave the clips in". Draws = referring to the actual hardware, clips = referring to the thing you physically clip into. Yes they're the same thing, but in different circumstances.

The specific type (snapgate, screwgate, HMS, auto-locker etc.): to refer to said specific type without ambiguity.

And yes, both carabiner and karabiner seem to be both used equally regularly!

Post edited at 14:44
 Ade Keir 13 Dec 2024
In reply to wiwwim:

Crabs generally, screw for a screwgate


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