30m.

Rockfax Description
Easier and better than Raisin Frumpsnoot, but it still packs a big punch. Maybe 7b for the tall. © Rockfax

UKC Logbook Description
Right of Forsinain Motspur, thin and continuous moves up the wall, good!

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UserDateStyleNotes & Partners
Bristoldave 16 Jun Lead dog Had a redpoint but fell right at the top. sore tips so didnt go again!
with Luke
Had a redpoint but fell right at the top. sore tips so didnt go again!
with Luke
George_Surf 14 Jun Lead RP Fell off the o/s coming up to the 2nd roof (from the right, desperate for the short, did the moves but barndoored off). Got it next go, steady, lots of thin rockovers. Felt 7b to me, and I’d expect it to be easier for the tall. Some tech beta if you’re short, it also weaves around a lot. Found it easier to go low and left at 3rd bolt, moving up to the 5th bolt is long (move right), then stay low and go way left to hidden jug, big rockover (bolt), then easier thin climbing to the top. Great climbing, hard on the skin. It’s a slab, lots of hands off, no ultra moves, how can it be 7b+?
Fell off the o/s coming up to the 2nd roof (from the right, desperate for the short, did the moves but barndoored off). Got it next go, steady, lots of thin rockovers. Felt 7b to me, and I’d expect it to be easier for the tall. Some tech beta if you’re short, it also weaves around a lot. Found it easier to go low and left at 3rd bolt, moving up to the 5th bolt is long (move right), then stay low and go way left to hidden jug, big rockover (bolt), then easier thin climbing to the top. Great climbing, hard on the skin. It’s a slab, lots of hands off, no ultra moves, how can it be 7b+?
Olly Chapman 23 May Lead RP Definitely more like 7b for the tall
with Zoe
Definitely more like 7b for the tall
with Zoe
ferdia 1 May Lead dog great route
with Ben Silvestre
great route
with Ben Silvestre
tprebs 28 Mar Lead dog
with Peter Danson
with Peter Danson
ianstevens 31 Dec, 2018 Lead RP The siege is over
The siege is over
jezb1 11 Dec, 2018 Lead RP Second effort of the day. Very happy. Im tall, still feels 7b+ to me.
Second effort of the day. Very happy. Im tall, still feels 7b+ to me.
WilliamRupp 17 Nov, 2018 Lead G/U
Terry Cruise 28 Oct, 2018 2nd
LaAnnaPurna 28 Oct, 2018 Lead dog i reckon it'll go in a few times
i reckon it'll go in a few times
James Beaumont 5 Sep, 2018 Lead dog Felt like the living end, didn't help that it was in direct sun I suppose
with Macey
Felt like the living end, didn't help that it was in direct sun I suppose
with Macey
Quarryboy 1 Aug, 2018 Lead dnf Had a quick go, crux move felt pretty nails.
Had a quick go, crux move felt pretty nails.
Stanners 31 Jul, 2018 Lead dnf you avin a laugh?
you avin a laugh?
jezb1 18 May, 2018 Lead dog First redpoint efforts, that top rock over..! Rest of it is super smooth. Next time, hopefully!
First redpoint efforts, that top rock over..! Rest of it is super smooth. Next time, hopefully!
paultaylor 18 May, 2018 Lead RP Ace
Ace
tprebs 17 Mar, 2018 Lead dog In the snow. fell off the last draw as Kyle sabotaged the draw. Typical Kyle
In the snow. fell off the last draw as Kyle sabotaged the draw. Typical Kyle
kylos8048 17 Mar, 2018 Lead rpt Took a few falls on one move the first attempt. Got it clean on second attempt.
with tprebs
Took a few falls on one move the first attempt. Got it clean on second attempt.
with tprebs
James-m-h ??, 2018 TR dnf Top roped after one of Ians attempts good moves, but I doubt I'll be back to try again. At no points do the moves ease off got to the 4th bolt, dogged my way to it falling at the traverse and at the top of the "shield".
Top roped after one of Ians attempts good moves, but I doubt I'll be back to try again. At no points do the moves ease off got to the 4th bolt, dogged my way to it falling at the traverse and at the top of the "shield".
ianstevens 19 Sep, 2017 TR dog All the moves sorted now
All the moves sorted now
tprebs 19 Sep, 2017 Lead RP got it while putting up in draws. unexpected
got it while putting up in draws. unexpected
Hidden 19 Sep, 2017 TR dnf
tomwright1509 19 Sep, 2017 TR dog got all moves and when for red point fell on the very last move but not enough skin to give it another go. Hopefully will get next time
got all moves and when for red point fell on the very last move but not enough skin to give it another go. Hopefully will get next time
samparsons 26 Aug, 2017 Lead dog Jeez this completly kicked my ass! So hard!
Jeez this completly kicked my ass! So hard!
tprebs 15 Aug, 2017 Lead dog fluffed the top on first go
fluffed the top on first go
Mike_Hayes 13 Aug, 2017 TR Tough for 7b - especially on the toes.
Tough for 7b - especially on the toes.
Alex Mason 6 Jul, 2017 Lead RP Lots of funky hard moves with good rests. Felt 7c but we climbed in the blazing sun so perhaps cold conditions help, however it did seem that the grade probably changes for inch of height you may or may not have.
with James Doc
Lots of funky hard moves with good rests. Felt 7c but we climbed in the blazing sun so perhaps cold conditions help, however it did seem that the grade probably changes for inch of height you may or may not have.
with James Doc
Mark Stevenson 23 May, 2017 Lead dog
meinecke 23 May, 2017 TR dnf
Hidden 10 May, 2017 Lead dog
Hidden 5 May, 2017 Lead dog
DeaNomNom 3 May, 2017 Lead RP
tprebs 3 May, 2017 TR dog
Emily C 1 May, 2017 TR dnf
jonleighton 1 May, 2017 Lead RP
with Emily C
with Emily C
matt peacey 23 Apr, 2017 TR dog The start of what will be a very hard won project, great climbing just bloody hard
The start of what will be a very hard won project, great climbing just bloody hard
JosephTATaylor 23 Apr, 2017 TR dnf
ianstevens 23 Apr, 2017 TR Proj 2k17, will go
with Matt Peacey
Proj 2k17, will go
with Matt Peacey
Hidden 17 Apr, 2017 TR dog
James 'pyjamas' 26 Mar, 2017 Lead dnf Very enjoyable day, slowly worked up to the penultimate bolt and managed to lead clean to there as well. Fingers and toes hurt too much to go further but the climbing was excellent. Met Johnny Dawes, he claims 7b+ for the route.
Very enjoyable day, slowly worked up to the penultimate bolt and managed to lead clean to there as well. Fingers and toes hurt too much to go further but the climbing was excellent. Met Johnny Dawes, he claims 7b+ for the route.
GeneralFifi 26 Mar, 2017 Lead dnf Really fun, spent the afternoon working this, slowly getting higher. Got it clean up to the penultimate bolt, then had no fingertips and toe pain tolerance left to get through the flake at the very top. One to come back to, easily 2 stars.
Really fun, spent the afternoon working this, slowly getting higher. Got it clean up to the penultimate bolt, then had no fingertips and toe pain tolerance left to get through the flake at the very top. One to come back to, easily 2 stars.
matt.stevenson 27 Nov, 2016 2nd dog
Dronz 25 Nov, 2016 Lead dog came off at the last move
with mish, Qureshi, Zakko
came off at the last move
with mish, Qureshi, Zakko
Dronz 24 Nov, 2016 Lead dog Came off by the last bolt on the flash, I was absolutely gutted! as for a moment there I thought I had bagged it first go. I couldn't believe it but pulling back on I took consolation in the fact those last moves are probably the crux, tricky! Didn't have another go but will get back on it next time and psyched for forsinian also!
Came off by the last bolt on the flash, I was absolutely gutted! as for a moment there I thought I had bagged it first go. I couldn't believe it but pulling back on I took consolation in the fact those last moves are probably the crux, tricky! Didn't have another go but will get back on it next time and psyched for forsinian also!
Matthew Ferrier 8 Oct, 2016 Lead RP
Tophe 10 Sep, 2016 Lead RP
with James Doc
with James Doc
soph 28 Aug, 2016 Lead dog Fell off moving left just below last bolt- makes my toes hurt!
with Frances Taylor
Fell off moving left just below last bolt- makes my toes hurt!
with Frances Taylor
soph 23 Aug, 2016 Lead dog much much to hot
much much to hot
Hidden 13 Jul, 2016 Lead RP
patrickcd 16 May, 2016 Lead dog
with Andy
with Andy
JamesWilliams 10 Mar, 2016 Lead RP After one top rope to remember the moves. went first redpoint. first 7b mega psyched!
After one top rope to remember the moves. went first redpoint. first 7b mega psyched!
Jack Delaney 15 Feb, 2016 Lead RP
with FreddieSmith, Alice Walton
with FreddieSmith, Alice Walton
Hidden 15 Feb, 2016 Lead RP
jacob shieldhouse hadley 10 Feb, 2016 Lead O/S very surprised at doing this!!!
with mum
very surprised at doing this!!!
with mum
JamesWilliams 6 Jan, 2016 TR RP clean 3rd go. Will go for the lead next time. psyched!
with BenRyle
clean 3rd go. Will go for the lead next time. psyched!
with BenRyle
Hidden ??, 2016 -
Rory Shaw ??, 2016 -
spragglerocks 4 Sep, 2015 TR dnf
with Becky
with Becky
soph 28 Aug, 2015 Lead dog
belay bunny turned bad 28 Aug, 2015 Lead dog
with Bridget, soph
with Bridget, soph
Hidden 9 Aug, 2015 Lead RP
Hidden 26 Jul, 2015 TR dnf
Callum van Werkhoven 8 Jul, 2015 Lead RP
Hidden 22 Jun, 2015 TR dnf
Glyn 1 May, 2015 Lead O/S Suprisingly good climbing, weaves about a bit but flows super nice. Lots of rests in between the hard moves
with Harriet Ridley
Suprisingly good climbing, weaves about a bit but flows super nice. Lots of rests in between the hard moves
with Harriet Ridley
damob123 6 Apr, 2015 TR dnf
with Didrik Kristianson
with Didrik Kristianson
danJBA 4 Apr, 2015 Lead dog
with Dan Brockwell
with Dan Brockwell
treesrockice 8 Feb, 2015 Lead RP Wooo! winter project sent! (and hardest send to date)
Wooo! winter project sent! (and hardest send to date)
ptrickey ??, 2015 Lead dog The one that got away... again.
The one that got away... again.
treesrockice 20 Dec, 2014 Lead dog Forgot some of the beta dropping second red point attempt just before crux, dogged to top. NEXT TIME!
Forgot some of the beta dropping second red point attempt just before crux, dogged to top. NEXT TIME!
treesrockice 16 Nov, 2014 TR dog 2nd session. got all the moves and made big links getting on the lead next time. 3 stars!
2nd session. got all the moves and made big links getting on the lead next time. 3 stars!
Craigyboy13 26 Aug, 2014 TR dog
tommccluskey 7 Aug, 2014 Lead RP Could miraculously reach about 2 inches further than the other day which helped a lot! Strange token palm at the 4th bolt also made everything work apparently?
Could miraculously reach about 2 inches further than the other day which helped a lot! Strange token palm at the 4th bolt also made everything work apparently?
Hidden 29 Jul, 2014 Lead dog
Kevster 27 Jun, 2014 Lead dog Flashed it until the last bolt. A little beta goes a long way.
with Nibs
Flashed it until the last bolt. A little beta goes a long way.
with Nibs
shed_hed 16 May, 2014 Lead dog Without a warm up, putting clips in. Fell off on the last move with finger tips on the juggy arete after rushing it slightly and missing a better, higher crimp for left hand. Gutted but happy to have got so far!
Without a warm up, putting clips in. Fell off on the last move with finger tips on the juggy arete after rushing it slightly and missing a better, higher crimp for left hand. Gutted but happy to have got so far!
tomwright1509 15 May, 2014 Lead dnf
Hidden 13 May, 2014 TR dnf
Ed morris 19 Apr, 2014 Lead RP About 5th redpoint after spending an age working out the moves through the first roof. The sun didn't help.
with AndrewJamesCherry, stefan
About 5th redpoint after spending an age working out the moves through the first roof. The sun didn't help.
with AndrewJamesCherry, stefan
dswansonlow 9 Apr, 2014 Lead dog
shed_hed 9 Apr, 2014 Lead RP Got it first go today after putting the clips in. Well chuffed. Had proper disco leg for the rockover at the end!
Got it first go today after putting the clips in. Well chuffed. Had proper disco leg for the rockover at the end!
Hidden ?Apr, 2014 TR dnf
wi11 10 Mar, 2014 TR dnf Went the wrong way...then tried the right way and found it hard
Went the wrong way...then tried the right way and found it hard
HAJ Francis ?Mar, 2014 Lead RP
carbar64 27 Feb, 2014 Lead dnf
mileshill540 ??, 2014 Lead
Ewan Russell 27 Oct, 2013 Lead RP thought I was going to just put draws in. Managed to push through not been on it for two years. fun!
with gwen
thought I was going to just put draws in. Managed to push through not been on it for two years. fun!
with gwen
ksjs 22 Sep, 2013 TR dog Why did I bother: sore tips, rolling shoes and just tired. Felt hard, superb climbing though.
with owen
Why did I bother: sore tips, rolling shoes and just tired. Felt hard, superb climbing though.
with owen
ianstevens 22 Sep, 2013 TR
ianstevens 16 Jul, 2013 TR dnf
UnkArl 6 Jun, 2013 TR dog
christoph owen 23 Apr, 2013 TR with shunt
with top rope solo
with shunt
with top rope solo
Dan Hale 21 Feb, 2013 Lead RP 7b. good route
with BenRyle
7b. good route
with BenRyle
BenRyle 27 Jan, 2013 Lead RP Lovely moves, had to focus on every move til the lowers. Chuffed.
Lovely moves, had to focus on every move til the lowers. Chuffed.
dswansonlow 11 Nov, 2012 Lead RP
shed_hed 11 Nov, 2012 TR dog Better stickies didn't help much but have managed every move clean and strung most of them together now just can't do it consistently. Thinking that maybe I do need to get some new non-floppy shoes which have some actual edges for this hard slate stuff...every move is such a stretch though and I'm pulling really hard so they probably wouldn't help. Have told Dougie to remember the moves for me for when I forget them by next time!
Better stickies didn't help much but have managed every move clean and strung most of them together now just can't do it consistently. Thinking that maybe I do need to get some new non-floppy shoes which have some actual edges for this hard slate stuff...every move is such a stretch though and I'm pulling really hard so they probably wouldn't help. Have told Dougie to remember the moves for me for when I forget them by next time!
dswansonlow 22 Oct, 2012 TR dog
shed_hed 22 Oct, 2012 TR dog Start of a winter project...climbed well after sunset with a head torch as it was dry and warm. Managed majority of moves in isolation in indoor stickies. Must come back with better shoes!
Start of a winter project...climbed well after sunset with a head torch as it was dry and warm. Managed majority of moves in isolation in indoor stickies. Must come back with better shoes!
Luke Brooks 2 Aug, 2012 Lead RP Hard for shorties!
with Dave Evans
Hard for shorties!
with Dave Evans
BenRyle 30 Jul, 2012 TR dog
Hidden 15 Jul, 2012 Lead
Michael Allday 26 May, 2012 Lead RP onsight all the way then went up for the big jug at the top and foot slipped off so gutted just carelessness but an awsome route
onsight all the way then went up for the big jug at the top and foot slipped off so gutted just carelessness but an awsome route
zero six ?May, 2012 Lead RP Close to Beltane. Soft when done via the LH method - probably hard 7b. 7b+ the RH way.
Close to Beltane. Soft when done via the LH method - probably hard 7b. 7b+ the RH way.
Tom Livingstone 23 Feb, 2012 Lead dog ahhhhhblueeuehghgffffffgggg!! so close!
ahhhhhblueeuehghgffffffgggg!! so close!
Hidden ??, 2012 Lead O/S
Hidden ??, 2012 -
Tom Livingstone 2 Nov, 2011 Lead dog Such a good route, very technical. Sequence dialled, will go next time!
with samrad
Such a good route, very technical. Sequence dialled, will go next time!
with samrad
Hidden 26 Aug, 2011 TR dog
Hidden 23 Aug, 2011 Lead dog
barni 1 Aug, 2011 Lead RP
Liam FLeming 1 Aug, 2011 -
with barni
with barni
vertically_challenged 14 Jul, 2011 Lead RP finally got it clean!! yes! the flake and the top rockover definetley the hardest moves.
finally got it clean!! yes! the flake and the top rockover definetley the hardest moves.
Hidden 10 Jul, 2011 Lead dog
Hidden 12 Jun, 2011 TR dnf
willoates 28 May, 2011 Lead RP fell on the easy move after the move left as i relaxed. fell again on the hard rock over at the top. next time its going down! Done - rock over move isnt even the right move! absolute SLAP for the top! just held it... first 7b... well psyched!
with Steve Parry, Dave Rudkin
fell on the easy move after the move left as i relaxed. fell again on the hard rock over at the top. next time its going down! Done - rock over move isnt even the right move! absolute SLAP for the top! just held it... first 7b... well psyched!
with Steve Parry, Dave Rudkin
Ally Smith 20 May, 2011 Lead RP Retroflash; poorly dogged it 6mths ago
Retroflash; poorly dogged it 6mths ago
Lloyders 11 May, 2011 Lead RP
with Paddy
with Paddy
surfboybert 3 May, 2011 Lead dog Will go back and will get it clean! wait for the finger tips to cool off, nice route.
Will go back and will get it clean! wait for the finger tips to cool off, nice route.
Hidden 29 Apr, 2011 TR dog
vertically_challenged ?Apr, 2011 Lead dog
wolf.leeb 28 Mar, 2011 Lead O/S {{{smile}}}
{{{smile}}}
Hidden 1 Mar, 2011 2nd dog
Hidden ??, 2011 -
Liam FLeming ??, 2011 Lead RP
with barni
with barni
Hidden ??, 2011 -
Hidden ??, 2011 -
ksjs 27 Oct, 2010 Lead RP done 2nd go - interesting last clip
with jo
done 2nd go - interesting last clip
with jo
ksjs 20 Oct, 2010 Lead dog i take back my previous comments on the grade: the rests between each of the sections makes this feel more 7b than 7b+ but the moves left from the penultimate bolt felt especially tricky for the grade. 1st go: bolt to bolt, took small eternity to figure those moves left near end 2nd go: fingers greased at 2nd bolt due to drizzle 3rd go: fell on the traverse but went to top with a few rests/falls 4th go: much better, fingers just too painful to pull on the last moves but clean to penultimate bolt - bit of a tip shredder if you spend too long working this
with jo
i take back my previous comments on the grade: the rests between each of the sections makes this feel more 7b than 7b+ but the moves left from the penultimate bolt felt especially tricky for the grade. 1st go: bolt to bolt, took small eternity to figure those moves left near end 2nd go: fingers greased at 2nd bolt due to drizzle 3rd go: fell on the traverse but went to top with a few rests/falls 4th go: much better, fingers just too painful to pull on the last moves but clean to penultimate bolt - bit of a tip shredder if you spend too long working this
with jo
samrad 8 Oct, 2010 Lead RP tried it again and got it 1st go. the top part felt amazing as i had never been on the moves b4. was stoked when i clipped the lower off! f7b
tried it again and got it 1st go. the top part felt amazing as i had never been on the moves b4. was stoked when i clipped the lower off! f7b
samrad 7 Oct, 2010 Lead dnf was good! went 4 the onsite! didn't get the crux.
with crad
was good! went 4 the onsite! didn't get the crux.
with crad
GarethHall 1 Oct, 2010 Lead dnf Hard - great climb though! Wanted to finish it, but then ripped my finger open on a sharp hold just below the last bolt...I'll be back :-)
with Teck
Hard - great climb though! Wanted to finish it, but then ripped my finger open on a sharp hold just below the last bolt...I'll be back :-)
with Teck
Ally Smith 30 Sep, 2010 TR dog
with Mr Shunt
with Mr Shunt
Hidden 25 Sep, 2010 Lead
smallerrich 4 Sep, 2010 Lead RP Retroflashed, went first go this session when I went to put the clips in : S
with Ollie Wragg
Retroflashed, went first go this session when I went to put the clips in : S
with Ollie Wragg
barni 25 Aug, 2010 TR dog
Ross Davidson 15 Aug, 2010 TR dnf
with Dazzlin
with Dazzlin
Mike Goldthorp 20 Nov, 2009 Lead RP i felt good and dynamic when i did it, awesome moves, really thin at the top!
i felt good and dynamic when i did it, awesome moves, really thin at the top!
Hidden 16 Oct, 2009 TR dnf
barni 13 Sep, 2009 Lead dog
barni 7 Sep, 2009 Lead dog 2 falls
2 falls
ksjs 1 Aug, 2009 Lead dnf nails! got on this thinking 7a+ and it really isnt. 7b+ minimum (you cant give it any less based on other slate grades). very good but very technical. lowered off at last bolt - had had enough by this stage, couldnt do the traverse left and gave up on final moves to belay. hopefully the aid, falls and exasperation will not be needed next time...
nails! got on this thinking 7a+ and it really isnt. 7b+ minimum (you cant give it any less based on other slate grades). very good but very technical. lowered off at last bolt - had had enough by this stage, couldnt do the traverse left and gave up on final moves to belay. hopefully the aid, falls and exasperation will not be needed next time...
HeatherF 9 Jul, 2009 TR dog Felt hard! Tiny holds and my hands are ripped to shreads!
with Mike H
Felt hard! Tiny holds and my hands are ripped to shreads!
with Mike H
string arms 29 May, 2009 Lead RP
with ILL-Jones
with ILL-Jones
Sl@te Head 23 May, 2009 Lead RP
barni 24 Nov, 2008 TR dnf
with Jack
with Jack
farmus21 2 Nov, 2008 2nd S'well hard
with hamer89
S'well hard
with hamer89
lukea 26 Oct, 2008 Lead dog clean through to the rockover- rockover bloody hard - 7b+ - may be alternate beta out left?
clean through to the rockover- rockover bloody hard - 7b+ - may be alternate beta out left?
lukea 23 Aug, 2008 Lead dog
with Al
with Al
HeatherF 18 Aug, 2008 TR
with Franklin
with Franklin
C@rwyn 18 Aug, 2008 TR dnf bloody hard!! Got just over half way up but couldn't work out any more moves :( also wasn't warmed up fully which didn't help. Definitely want to get it cracked though.
bloody hard!! Got just over half way up but couldn't work out any more moves :( also wasn't warmed up fully which didn't help. Definitely want to get it cracked though.
ksjs 6 Jun, 2008 Lead dnf couldnt work out moves to undercut / upper flake.
couldnt work out moves to undercut / upper flake.
Hidden ?Apr, 2008 Lead O/S
Hidden 30 Sep, 2007 TR dnf
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Voting
High 7c
Mid 7c
Low 7c
High 7b+
Mid 7b+
Low 7b+
High 7b
Mid 7b
Low 7b
Votes cast 21
Votes cast 31
Style of ascent
Lead
Toproped
Followed
Not Set
Dogged
Redpoint
DNF
Onsighted
Repeated
Ground Up
Not Set