/ Moderator Amnesty 2016

The last Moderator Amnesty thread almost lasted a full year and was extremely useful in sorting out many problems in the UKC Logbooks but it got a bit large and unwieldy so I have now closed it. Here it is for reference - http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=572431

The purpose of this new thread is for people to post moderating requests, problem crags and suggestions. If you do post about a crag then please use the Logbooks 'Insert crag link...' box above the reply box so that a link is included which makes things lot easier to sort than if just a crag name is written.

Existing Moderators
If you moderate a crag but find yourself ignoring the update emails, or you have lost interest, then please could you remove yourself as moderator using the button at the base of the crag moderation page. Then reply to this thread with 'Crag Available', and the crag link inserted so that someone else can volunteer.

New Moderators
If you would like to moderate a crag, and feel you could do a better job than the current moderator, then reply to this thread with 'Crag Requested', the crag name and link so that we can arrange a switch if appropriate.

Thanks for everyone's help with UKC Logbook moderating. We are aware that this is sometimes a tiresome task and all your efforts are appreciated.

Alan
dannyboy83 - on 07 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags Requested:

Pec Pierre Taillée Brela Venasque Cepic Dvigrad Sesi

Remove following crags:

No match for crag id:4852No match for crag id:6844No match for crag id:7103
aln - on 08 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Is Paul back?
Big Lee - on 08 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This 'crag' has the potential to get really unwieldy because it basically covers a whole valley / guidebook.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2948

Plus a lot of the the 'buttresses' already exist as crags elsewhere as the area also has numerous rock routes. I'd suggest breaking this crag up now whilst there are not too many routes entered and moving t the more local crags. These two Løefjell routes for example:¨

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=249527
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=249528

...would be better off here I think:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2959

I can sort the rest out if this arrangement is ok.
peteJ23 - on 10 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Rquested

Garheugh Point - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3724
ctodd - on 25 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested -

Crookrise (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=541)

Needs updating with the new yorks grit guide.
In reply to dannyboy83:

> Crags Requested:


All but the last one of those appears to be pretty well moderated. I have transferred the last one.

Cheers

Alan
In reply to Big Lee:

We don't mind big crags, and we do now have a system to give buttresses GPS locations, however I can see that these crags are pretty well spread out so it probably does make sense here.

I have moved those two on Loefjell. I think the others need new crags creating first.

Alan
In reply to peteJ23:


Wow, that was an example of pretty terrible crag moderation. Claimed when we set the system up in 2007 and not touched since!

Now transferred.

Thanks

Alan
In reply to ctodd:


> Needs updating with the new yorks grit guide.

Looks like the current moderator is on with this having made updates today.

Alan
In reply to peteJ23:

Some more crags available:

Port O'Warren
Thirlstane
The Lookout
peteJ23 - on 25 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Alan I only picked up Garheugh as I went bouldering there and had a look at its listing .. i dont really live close I am just going to sort it out and let it go again..

Having just updated a few Gritstone crags for the new guide I don't fancy any more

thanx anyway

Pete
In reply to peteJ23:

> Alan I only picked up Garheugh as I went bouldering there and had a look at its listing .. i dont really live close I am just going to sort it out and let it go again..

I appreciate the effort. It was the previous moderator who had claimed it and then ignored it for 7 years.

Once you have tidied it up a bit just ditch it using the 'remove me as moderator' button.

Alan
GPN - on 25 Nov 2014
In reply to ctodd:

> Crag requested -


> Needs updating with the new yorks grit guide.

That'd be the new Yorks Grit guide that came out 2 weeks ago right?! I humbly apologise for my slackness in this pressing matter.

P.S. Quite a few of the climbs on the Scafell East Buttress need upgrading in line with the current guide
Colin Moody - on 25 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This is not in order, as others have noted.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2869

And 13, 15, 23 and 35 are already in the crag below (which is in the guide book order).

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10179
Steve Perry - on 26 Nov 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Aultivullin - Port Allt a' Mhuilin on the north coast of Scotland is now available. I lived quite close to the crag at one time so took on the job of moderator but only ever went there once and didn't get round to sorting the page out or familiarising myself with the place.
In reply to Steve Perry:

> Aultivullin - Port Allt a' Mhuilin on the north coast of Scotland is now available. I lived quite close to the crag at one time so took on the job of moderator but only ever went there once and didn't get round to sorting the page out or familiarising myself with the place.

Tap that crag name in the box above the reply box when you are replying and it hotlines nicely:

Aultivullin - Port Allt a' Mhuilin
jon on 16 Dec 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064

> I started to do a complete overhaul of the Dentelles (...) and I would like to finish what I started.
> RichardMc 16 Dec 2013

Come on Richard, it's been a year (to the day) now...
harold walmsley - on 28 Jan 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Australia

I'm not sure I would like to take over moderating the crag permanently as I am sure the existing moderator is more familiar with the area than I am. However, I have supplied full details of new routes we did last year (on newly developed levels that need new sectors) including topos and location info. The info was provided in August and 5 months or so later they are still listed at the end as "Still unsorted new routes" despite reminders. I would like to create the new Buttress/sector information and give access notes in a sensible location as well as putting the routes in order. There are also some issues of route order for existing routes that conflict with the route order in the guidebook. For example Cartoon Lesbian Cartoon Lesbian (6a) appears too late on the list in the Railtrack area (did that from the description in the guide and it seemed to fit OK), I sent in this info but it has not been acted on. I was generally confused about route ID in this area though and although I suspect other errors I don't have any more info on where the routes really go.
Neil Foster - on 28 Jan 2015
In reply to jon:


> I started to do a complete overhaul of the Dentelles (...) and I would like to finish what I started.
> RichardMc 16 Dec 2013

> Come on Richard, it's been a year (to the day) now...

> Jon


Any news on this Richard? Lots of folk would appreciate the fruits of your labours, but are struggling to identify the evidence at the moment...

Neil
Ronan O Keeffe on 30 Jan 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Requesting Coumshingaun. One of my local crags.
Unfortunately UKC user Colenn passed away in the Alps during the summer. Good friend and occasional climbing partner.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12452
Pete-West88 - on 23 Feb 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag needing removed:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17484

Empty duplicate of the real Clach na Beinn next to it.
Pete-West88 - on 23 Feb 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Another needing removed?

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18593

Dont think this place is real.
Graeme Hammond - on 02 Mar 2015
Martin Haworth on 02 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Can you transfer Barre des Ecrins and Barres des Ecrin to me please. I have been in touch with the current moderator and he is happy for them to be transferred.
In reply to Ronan O Keeffe:

> Requesting Coumshingaun. One of my local crags.

Now done. Sorry for the delay in sorting this.

Coumshingaun

Alan
In reply to Pete-West88:

Now sorted - Clach na Beinn

Alan
In reply to Martin Haworth:

> Can you transfer Barre des Ecrins and Barres des Ecrin to me please. I have been in touch with the current moderator and he is happy for them to be transferred.

I have done that. I could only find a Barre des Ecrins though.

Alan
Dave Kerr - on 02 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested:

Fuar Tholl: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3061
Martin Haworth on 02 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

The other one is the summit
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=167502
Which i think should be included on the same crag if that is OK.
Big Lee - on 02 Mar 2015
In reply to Dave Kerr:

What's wrong with it as it is? This guy is more active than most in the NW as well.
Dave Kerr - on 02 Mar 2015
In reply to Big Lee:

I sent a couple of updated route descriptions and nowt happened so I figured he wasn't doing it any more.
Dave Kerr - on 02 Mar 2015
In reply to Big Lee:

Plus, I've been up there 3 times this winter and have developed a bit of an obsession with it!
Ronan O Keeffe on 04 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks Alan,

I updated my other crag and everything went fine. However when I went to add another guide book for Coumshingaun I was again given the message that you will not accept submissions from my machine which was recently used to send spam.

A bug perhaps?
dereke12000 - on 05 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2164 (Dinder Wood) is listed right to left!
In reply to Ronan O Keeffe:

> I updated my other crag and everything went fine. However when I went to add another guide book for Coumshingaun I was again given the message that you will not accept submissions from my machine which was recently used to send spam.

> A bug perhaps?

Not a bug, but possibly a temporary problem with your IP address. If you try again it may well work.

Alan
Big Lee - on 05 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'd like to sort this crag out.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2592

A Rockfax miniguide covers this area as well as a Norwegian guide to Telemark. There's also an online guide. All use the Nordic grading system but the above crag has a combination of Nordic, UK and French grades. I think it would be better to just align everything to the Nordic grades, given it's Norway, and this is what all the guidebooks are using.
Ronan O Keeffe on 05 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

It's unlikely but not impossible as I am on a mobile internet dongle, I can't get a cable or dsl line into the house. As such I end up with a different IP every time I connect to the net. That said it depends at what level you are blocking on.
I will try from a different network later today though and feedback.

Bear in mind I can update crags, just not add a book.

Regards,
Ronan.
Ronan O Keeffe on 05 Mar 2015
In reply to Ronan O Keeffe:

Ok, looks like I can do stuff from another network fine, it must be the home network that is flagged.
You can disregard.
Thanks once more.
Ronan.
In reply to Ronan O Keeffe:

Ok. They can be a bit random these things. They are usually triggered by the spam blacklists we subscribe to hence we have no control over them. Sometimes 'bad' IP addresses get assigned to good locations innocently which can trigger this alert. They disappear within few days though.

Alan
Big Lee - on 09 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Couple of duplicate crags here:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15434
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2325

Looks best to delete the latter and move to the former.
jon on 15 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064

Alan, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, it's now 15 months since the moderator for the Dentelles promised to overhaul Clapis. Nothing has happened. It's still in a completely unusable state. I'll do it.
Jon
In reply to Big Lee:

> Couple of duplicate crags here:


> Looks best to delete the latter and move to the former.

Now moved although it still needs some sorting

L'Aiguille Verte
In reply to jon:

> Alan, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, it's now 15 months since the moderator for the Dentelles promised to overhaul Clapis. Nothing has happened. It's still in a completely unusable state. I'll do it.

Hi Jon, Yes you are right. Thanks for offering. You are now moderator of the following:

Chaine du Grand Travers (Dentelles de Montmiral)
Chaine du Clapis (Dentelles de Montmirail)
Chaine de Gigondas (Dentelles de Montmiral)
Saint Christophe (Dentelles de Montmirail)

Alan
Tom Last - on 16 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan, I'm moderator for this 'crag' http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11358 but there isn't currently the regional option of Magallanes y la Antártica, which is the correct name for the region, nor simply Patagonia. Could you add one of those options for me please? Cheers.
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In reply to Tom Last:

> Hi Alan, I'm moderator for this 'crag' http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11358 but there isn't currently the regional option of Magallanes y la Antártica, which is the correct name for the region, nor simply Patagonia. Could you add one of those options for me please? Cheers.

Hi Tom

Currently that crag is in:

Chile > Puerto Montt > Cochamo > Torres del Paine

The Puerto Montt is a 'Region' from when we first set the system up but currently these regions aren't actually displayed anywhere.

This is described a bit better in Q9 here - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/help2.html

If you could give me the full Country > Region > Area > Crag path that you would expect for this, then I can try and set it up. The 'Regions' we have at the moment for Chile are - Puna De Atacama, Santiago, Araucania, Puerto Montt, Pucon. The areas we have are displayed when you Update the crag entry.

Alan
Tom Last - on 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Thanks Alan.

I think you might as well leave the crag as Torres del Paine. It's a massive area, but since so little gets done there, it's not really worth splitting it up. I can separate areas within Torres del Paine with the 'add buttress' field and specify the peak within each route, for example Central Power of Paine - Bonington Whillans, etc.

To fit in with UKC conventions, I think the correct path should be.

Chile > Chilean Patagonia > Magallanes y la Antártica > Torres del Paine

Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Tom
Post edited at 09:44
In reply to Big Lee:

> I'd like to sort this crag out.


Bridget has agreed to pass this on for some grade rationalisation. She did say that at least on of the local guidebooks was using German grades as well, so it is all a little confusing.

Alan

In reply to Tom Last:

Sorted. I also moved the map pin but probably not to the right place.

Alan
Big Lee - on 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks for that. The name has somehow changed to "H¾gefjell"? Could you change back to "Hægefjell"?
Tom Last - on 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Great, thanks for your help Alan.

Tom
jon on 18 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Hi Alan,

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064

There are some trad climbs on some of the far flung crags of Clapis. With this type of route there's a problem in that by defining it as trad (or non equipped) you're locked into a British trad grade and can't give it its French grade. Is it possible to have the option of having a trad route with a French grade? Obviously it'd need a note in the description.
Post edited at 10:47
Simon Caldwell - on 18 Mar 2015
In reply to jon:

> Is it possible to have the option of having a trad route with a French grade?

That's already possible isn't it? The dropdown list includes UK trad grades then various others (French, USA, etc).
jon on 18 Mar 2015
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

Ah, so it does. Thanks very much.
harold walmsley - on 23 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

AustraliaNo match for climb id:171751
The entry for the above route seems very strange. The description just says "The right hand side of the slab past 3 bolts (top out BB)." which is hardly sufficient to identify it. There is no such route in the guidebook and there is no other indication of where it is: it is posted under unsorted new routes so no indication even about the sector location. Nevertheless 13 people have managed to identify, climb and log it (an unnamed route at an unspecified location). 5 have even added detailed comments. How have they done this? It seems likely to be a mistaken transfer from another smaller slate area for which "the right hand side of the slab" was good enough ID?
Simon Caldwell - on 23 Mar 2015
In reply to harold walmsley:

I'd guess that BB = Brucie Bonus and the moderator has just accidentally put the "new routes" section one position too low.
harold walmsley - on 24 Mar 2015
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

No, that isn't it. BB means bolt belay.

Also, because I did the 1st ascent of all the existing routes in the Cape York Slab area, I know for sure that there are no sport routes R of Brucie Bonus, only the trad pitch of Cape York Slab (I was up there again recently so know that nothing has been added). Furthermore many of the logged ascents of As Yet Unnamed precede all routes in the Cape York Slab Area. I suspect it should be at the R end of the Slab Rog slab because a couple of the logged ascents are by people climbing there but am intrigued how they knew which route to log their ascents as.
dannyboy83 - on 25 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James:
Hi, for some reason there are some duplicate climbs that have appeared from Rockfax and I can't delete either of them! These are:

No match for climb id:354884F.A.T.D. (HS 4a)

Happy Hart (E8 7a)No match for climb id:354907

Also I'm going to remove myself from some of the crags that I don't have the info to update the latest climbs. So these are now free:

Margalef
Ubrieux
Vilanova De Prades - Penya Alta
Vilanova De Prades - Camping

thanks
Post edited at 12:32
Ronan O Keeffe on 28 Mar 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Coumshingaun

Ok, so I can add climbs ok, but when I try add a buttress/divider I get a page loading that has no text input field.
I've tried in two different browsers, FF and Safari. Safari is running with no extensions enabled. FF has a couple but I disabled certain blockers ages ago for UKC. On my home 'dodgy' network at the mo.

Screen cap here: http://i.imgur.com/Qo5LDRG.png
Ron Rees Davies - on 10 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8619 Porth y garan

Lots of long term "awaiting moderation" climbs here?
Ron Rees Davies - on 10 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This one:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20629
is currently unmoderated but is essentially the same crag (or group of crags/buttresses) as http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=489 which is moderated.
One of the two climbs listed is duplicated on both pages.

The unmodd'd crag could be added to the moderated one, but could probably then do with separating out into buttresses to match the guidebooks.
I'd be happy to do this if the current moderator doesn't want to.
In reply to jon:

Sorry for the long time in replying to these.

It looks like you have discovered that you can give Trad routes a sport grade since the routes seem correct now.

Alan
In reply to harold walmsley:

I'm afraid I can't help with this one.

Have you tried emailing the person who uploaded it - http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=107986

Alan
In reply to dannyboy83:

> Hi, for some reason there are some duplicate climbs that have appeared from Rockfax and I can't delete either of them! These are:



Sorted
In reply to Ronan O Keeffe:

> Ok, so I can add climbs ok, but when I try add a buttress/divider I get a page loading that has no text input field.

> I've tried in two different browsers, FF and Safari. Safari is running with no extensions enabled. FF has a couple but I disabled certain blockers ages ago for UKC. On my home 'dodgy' network at the mo.

I think this bug has now been fixed.

Alan
In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

> Crag requested:


Moderator switched.
In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

> This one:

> is currently unmoderated but is essentially the same crag (or group of crags/buttresses) as http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=489 which is moderated.

> One of the two climbs listed is duplicated on both pages.

Combined those but I haven't changed the moderator since Alex seems to be doing a pretty good job.

Alan
Kevin Woods - on 15 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I posted this as a separate thread a month or two back, but got no response. Apologies if this is a touch off-topic from moderation!

I often make an entry to the activity diary. If I come back to my entry and go to edit it, the text appears greyed out and will disappear on clicking the text box - never to reappear. Thus entires can be entirely deleted.

Another minor thing is it would be great if it recognised paragraph breaks - I write quite a bit sometimes so the text appears as one massive block - I go in to 'edit' so I can read it: that the paragraph spacing comes back.

Thanks.
In reply to Kevin Woods:
Hi Kevin, apologies for missing your report before.

We are working on the line break thing. It was a security measure to block any html code being injected into these public forms, but it is a bit draconian I agree.

For the other problem, can you submit a fault report here please - http://www.ukclimbing.com/general/email.html

This is a great help for us since it automatically grabs your operating system and other details that are useful for us to track down problems.

Thanks

Alan
Post edited at 12:46
Kevin Woods - on 15 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks Alan.
Stuart Brooks - on 16 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag Requested Dimmings Dale (Lower Churnet) if possible
Cheers
In reply to Stuart Brooks:

> Crag Requested Dimmings Dale (Lower Churnet) if possible

You are now the moderator.

Thanks

Alan
TimB - on 20 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

"The grade in the Rockfax database of 6c ** will be shown on the public page." : Abraracoursix (6c+)

So I can change positions of incorrectly ordered routes, but not grades.

When and how does the Rockfax database get updated?
HeMa on 20 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I could start moderating this crag,

Haukilahti

If that is OK with Jody (who no longer lives in Finland).
In reply to TimB:

> "The grade in the Rockfax database of 6c ** will be shown on the public page." : Abraracoursix (6c+)

> So I can change positions of incorrectly ordered routes, but not grades.

> When and how does the Rockfax database get updated?

Hi Tim

Use the 'report major discrepancy' button and we can change it.

Alan
SDM on 20 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Not strictly a moderator issue but it doesn't seem worth opening a new topic. There seems to be a presentational bug in the logbook grades of certain routes.

On the Rheinstor crag page, Loki (HVS 5a) is listed as HVS 5a. When you go to the route page, it is listed as HVS 5a but once you add it to your logbook, it shows in there as VS 4c and when you search for a climb, it shows as VS.

From the route comments, it looks like it was upgraded at some point with VS 4c being the old grade and HVS 5a being the new grade.
In reply to SDM:
This is a temporary bug which is going to take us a while to solve.

Routes which appear on the Rockfax database, and also on UKC Logbook, have had their Rockfax grade copied over to the main UKC logbook listing since this is the grade we will be fixing these routes at. Since it is such a complex system ,this has thrown up some bugs which we are working our way through.

We hope to solve this in the next month or so.

Alan
Post edited at 13:46
JamieSparkes - on 22 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Quite a few bits and pieces:

if I try to add a new route to North Cape using the add missing climb form, the link does not return me to the public crag page in the logbook but tries to take me to the moderator's page for the crag instead.

- Grades are still jumping all over the place, eg Lysistrati (7a+) change between 7a and 7a+ depending on whether it's in my own, or the public logbooks.

- The crag Arginonta is misspelt as Arginonta in the logbooks.

- In the show full form page when adding multiple routes to my logbook, not all of the style options are present in the drop down menu.

JamieSparkes - on 22 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Also, the crags on the south face of Telendos are in a right old state, I'm happy to look after them:

Can you combine these two into one entry as "Telendos south face"

Telendos South Face
No match for crag id:21279
In reply to JamieSparkes:

> if I try to add a new route to North Cape using the add missing climb form, the link does not return me to the public crag page in the logbook but tries to take me to the moderator's page for the crag instead.

Not able to repeat this one. Seems to be working fine. Are you clicking on that 'Add missing Climb' button join the North Cape page you linked to?

> - Grades are still jumping all over the place, eg Lysistrati (7a+) change between 7a and 7a+ depending on whether it's in my own, or the public logbooks.

This is a known problem which we are working on but it is a big one that is going to take some time to sort.

> - The crag Arginonta is misspelt as Arginonta in the logbooks.

It seems to have both spellings - http://www.kalymnosinfo.com/see-more/beaches/arginonda

> - In the show full form page when adding multiple routes to my logbook, not all of the style options are present in the drop down menu.

Again, I am not able to repeat this one. Could you send a fault report for these please?
http://www.ukclimbing.com/general/email.html#fault

Thanks

Alan
In reply to JamieSparkes:

> Also, the crags on the south face of Telendos are in a right old state, I'm happy to look after them:

> Can you combine these two into one entry as "Telendos south face"

Thanks for the offer. Chris is out there at the moment so I will let him have a look at it first.

Alan
harold walmsley - on 27 Apr 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I went to Blackstone Edge Blackstone Edge recently. Only a small fraction of the 200+ boulder problems in the new Lancs Bouldering Guide are listed in the UKC entry and there are no sectors/buttresses, which would be helpful on such a long crag. I would be happy to enter the problem names from the Lancs Bouldering Guide but I am not sure if I could create buttresses without being a moderator. Also I am reluctant to add the problem names without further advice because it is clear that some problems are already described with different names than those in the Lancs Bouldering Guide. I am not sure I can recognise all of these potential duplicates, particularly where there are names like "Wall" with no sector/location information (but a link that doesn't work for me) and a fairly random ordering of the entries. Even if I could recognise all the duplicates I don't know how best to handle the possible re-naming.

I would be happy to add the problem details from the Lancs guide but would need guidance on handling the duplicate names and dealing with old names that I can't link with guidebook names. I would also be happy to add buttresses and assign problems to them (by temporarily moderating if necessary/possible).
In reply to harold walmsley:

Hi Harold, thanks for the offer. I've added you as the moderator.

Cheers, Paul.
Andy Moles - on 05 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Creag nan Luch and No match for crag id:1902 are the same crag.

Creag nan Luch is more correct, as Creag Mhor Thollaidh is the name of the hill, encompassing all the crags in the immediate area.
rlrs on 05 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There is a crag for"The Book, Lumpy Ridge"
No match for crag id:15845

That is already included within the Lumpy Ridge crag itself:
Lumpy Ridge

Therefore you can move the climbs in the first crag to the second crag and delete the first crag.
lithos on 05 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available

Buchi Arta on sardinia, I haven't got a new guide and haven't been for a few years so can't
really know what's going on....

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=2707 available
Post edited at 23:15
CaelanB - on 05 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11979
punkpunk - on 12 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Torridon Celtic Jumble available
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2860
In reply to rlrs:

> There is a crag for"The Book, Lumpy Ridge"

> That is already included within the Lumpy Ridge crag itself:


> Therefore you can move the climbs in the first crag to the second crag and delete the first crag.

Moved. Not sure of the positioning within the joined crag.

Alan
In reply to Andy Moles:


Now sorted

Alan
ads.ukclimbing.com
Ron Rees Davies - on 12 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Just did a search for "oen", looking for the Moelwyn's crag, and 2 came up - the 'real' one, and one with no climb/crag information that needs deleting.
In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

> Just did a search for "oen", looking for the Moelwyn's crag, and 2 came up - the 'real' one, and one with no climb/crag information that needs deleting.

Sorted.

Thanks
rlrs on 17 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Not strictly a moderation issue, but the ordering of the french sport climbing grades in the voting feature is not always correct e.g. around 5a, 5b and 5c.

I remember when you introduced the a/b/c system for the lower grades last year the ordering of the grades in the list when you create a climb was not always in the right order, but this is corrected now.
spidermonkey09 - on 18 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested: Slawston Bridge. Was going to try and convert the topo on Leicestershire Climbs to font grades (rough) and add some links.
Misha - on 18 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Beeston Tor http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=142

Not sure that the current moderator is involved any more. Emailed him a while back with a request for a grade change in line with the guide book but not response. I like the crag so would be happy to moderate.
Mike-W-99 on 20 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Loch Tollaidh looks a bit neglected, happy to sort it out - Loch Tollaidh Crags

Also one of the buttresses seems to have been added in as a crag on its own - No match for crag id:16691 Should be part of this really?
In reply to spidermonkey09:

Slawston Bridge

I have switched you but the old moderator did seem active (up to Jan 14 at least).

Alan
In reply to prog99:

> Loch Tollaidh looks a bit neglected, happy to sort it out - Loch Tollaidh Crags

> Also one of the buttresses seems to have been added in as a crag on its own - No match for crag id:16691 Should be part of this really?

Sorted. Again the current moderator had been reasonably active so we could pass it back at a later date of requested.

Thanks
Alan
Mike-W-99 on 20 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks, something to do during tomorrow's bad weather up here.
Mike-W-99 on 21 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thats it done Alan. A particularly foul day in Gairloch so needed something to do!
Simon Caldwell - on 21 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Why switch at all if the current moderator is active? I'd be highly miffed if you did that to me!
In reply to Simon Caldwell:
> Why switch at all if the current moderator is active? I'd be highly miffed if you did that to me!

They are active-ish. Both cases have updates pending for more than 6 months however the updates may be just a single route change.

It is such a big hassle to try and communicate and 'arrange' change overs, or even temporary change overs, whereas switching moderators is really easy and quick and tends also to get loads more info inputted since the new moderator is keen. However, if someone is offended when they lose a crag then we are very approachable and perfectly happy to switch it back. We have done a lot of temporary tidy-up switch overs in the past.

Also, there is 'active' - confirming updates and that's it, and there is 'active' - adding routes, buttress dividers and generally improving the info. Those who request to take over are generally in the latter category.

Alan
Post edited at 11:06
Steve Crowe - on 22 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Towards the end of Chulilla (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3789) is a Sector Araya

Can all those routes/log book entries be transferred to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=21660

and then all deleted from the Chulilla section?
CurlyStevo - on 22 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Stone Farm - If someone has the Jingo Wobbly guide and the CC guide and is willing to compile the routes in order I'm happy to hand it over. I don't have the jingo wobbly guide and have now moved away from the area also....
In reply to Steve Crowe:

Sorted those although I wasn't able to reposition all of them, and there were some grade discrepancies amongst the duplicates.

Araya

Alan
Mowglee on 23 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Nonsuch (E1 5b) appears as HVS on the logbook page, but E1 on the climb and crag page. I think it's HVS, but wondering why it has two different grades attached to it?

Cheers,
Post edited at 17:23
James Mann - on 24 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

The Dewerstone

I was the moderator of the dewerstone when it was switched from a friend to me. Whilst I was away during last summer it was switched without any request to 'The Terrorwheel' . He has not updated anything during the last year. There are quite a number of problems with duplicated routes which I would be will to fix if the moderation was returned to me.

James
rlrs on 27 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This new crag:
No match for crag id:21893

Is already existing as this crag (which I moderate):
Roches d'Orvin

You can move the climbs in the new crag to my crag, for checking.
harold walmsley - on 28 May 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
I have started to moderate Penmaen West (Llanfairfechan) Quarry. I entered it with this name from the historical quarrying records on the web although it is now in N Wales Limestone as Craig y Cigfran Upper Quarry. I think it is best for this quarry to be entered as a separate crag to Craig y Cigfran as the approaches are different and the main areas are almost a kilometer apart. Two of the routes that are in reality located in Penmaen West Quarry are also entered under Craig y Cigfran. I think it would be best to consolidate these into Penmaen West (Llanfairfechan) Quarry (can't just delete them as there are logbook entries). The affected routes are: (A Tetris Temperament (7b) and At the Heart of it All (added this later, no visible option to add a link when editing the post).
Post edited at 13:02
Laramadness - on 07 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Just found there are two entries for Presles - one in the Vercor (sic) and one listed under Isere (presumably both geographically correct). One moderated, one un-moderated, at least one route in common. Be worth consolidating these I'd say.
Cheers.
rlrs on 07 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

You can delete this unmoderated duplicate crag with no logbook ticks. I would say:
No match for crag id:12446

Since the crag is existing here (although the above name is the correct one).
No match for crag id:4077

Aloso. merging with this nearby crag (where I just took the moderation) under the name "Gramusset" would fit the treatment in the Swiss Plaisir guidebooks. Up to you!
Paroi de Gramusset
In reply to James Mann:

> I was the moderator of the dewerstone when it was switched from a friend to me. Whilst I was away during last summer it was switched without any request to 'The Terrorwheel' . He has not updated anything during the last year. There are quite a number of problems with duplicated routes which I would be will to fix if the moderation was returned to me.

Hi James

Not sure what happened there. You were moderator for 24 days in July last year but for some reason it was set to no moderator on 25 July and then Terrorwheel became moderator on 29 July. He has done nothing as you note hence I have now removed him.

You can now moderate the crag. Apologies for the messing about.

The Dewerstone

Alan
In reply to rlrs:


> You can move the climbs in the new crag to my crag, for checking.

Done that.
In reply to harold walmsley:

> I have started to moderate Penmaen West (Llanfairfechan) Quarry. I entered it with this name from the historical quarrying records on the web although it is now in N Wales Limestone as Craig y Cigfran Upper Quarry. I think it is best for this quarry to be entered as a separate crag to Craig y Cigfran as the approaches are different and the main areas are almost a kilometer apart. Two of the routes that are in reality located in Penmaen West Quarry are also entered under Craig y Cigfran. I think it would be best to consolidate these into Penmaen West (Llanfairfechan) Quarry (can't just delete them as there are logbook entries). The affected routes are: (A Tetris Temperament (7b) and At the Heart of it All (added this later, no visible option to add a link when editing the post).

I have moved those two routes

Penmaen West (Llanfairfechan) Quarry
In reply to Laramadness:

> Just found there are two entries for Presles - one in the Vercor (sic) and one listed under Isere (presumably both geographically correct). One moderated, one un-moderated, at least one route in common. Be worth consolidating these I'd say.

Now combined into one better listing - Presles
In reply to rlrs:

> Also. merging with this nearby crag (where I just took the moderation) under the name "Gramusset" would fit the treatment in the Swiss Plaisir guidebooks. Up to you!


Merged those into the single crag as you suggest.

Alan
Kafoozalem - on 16 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10230

I'd like to take over as moderator. Could we rename it Landcombe Cove which is geographically a bit more accurate.
I am preparing the next CC guide for S Devon and that name is less likely to see people get lost.
Post edited at 12:12
Kim - on 16 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Skaha tidied up and now available for someone else to moderate.
James Mann - on 16 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thank you very much.

James
Bolehillbilly on 16 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Hi Alan,
I'd like to take over this one which needs some updating.

Cheers
Crich Tors
Post edited at 17:23
In reply to Kafoozalem:

> I'd like to take over as moderator. Could we rename it Landcombe Cove which is geographically a bit more accurate.
> I am preparing the next CC guide for S Devon and that name is less likely to see people get lost.

Now done - Landcombe Cove
In reply to Bolehillbilly:

> I'd like to take over this one which needs some updating.


Now done. Another one which had a previous moderator who had done literally nothing.

Alan
Laramadness - on 17 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Out of interest - not sure how active the moderator is of late?
In reply to Laramadness:

The current moderator does several crags in the area. They tend to moderate additions but don't add any themselves. If you wanted to add any then that would be welcome.

Alan
Samuel Wainwright - on 22 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Hi Alan,

Crag Request

Peninnis Head, Isle of Scilly.

I'd like to take over this one. Not all of the routes are in the listing and some which are routes recorded in the CC guide have been awaiting moderation for a while now.

Will be going there next week so can update and tidy the logbook page.

Sam
Post edited at 14:51
In reply to Samuel Wainwright:

Hi Sam

Thanks for that. You are now the moderator.

Peninnis Head

Alan
JamieSparkes - on 23 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

How does one get to the moderate crags page on a tablet or phone? Can't seem to find it on the menu links.
In reply to JamieSparkes:
> How does one get to the moderate crags page on a tablet or phone? Can't seem to find it on the menu links.

Hmm, not sure why that menu disappears. You can still access the crag moderation button from the crag pages though.

Alan
Post edited at 15:40
rlrs on 28 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
This new (?) crag:

No match for crag id:22007

..already exists, with the pesky umlaut making the crag search difficult:

Huhnerchnubel
Post edited at 13:59
jon on 28 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2833

This is a complete disaster area. Why people don't know where they've been or what they've just climbed is called is just beyond me.

'Aiguille de la Tour' should be Aiguille du Tour and is here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2312
'La Petite Aiguille de Verte' should be Petite Verte and is here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1998
'La Tour Ronde SE ridge' should be under Tour Ronde and is here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2017 - not under a list of via ferratas in Savoie.
'Aiguille de Toule E ridge normal route' should be under the misspelt Aiguille du Toule here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2373 and again not in a list of via ferratas. The 'du' needs changing to 'de'.
Post edited at 17:32
punkpunk - on 29 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Available

Polldubh Crags, Glen Nevis
punkpunk - on 29 Jun 2015
In reply to JamieSparkes:

On find crags page, scroll to the very bottom...
Simon Caldwell - on 29 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Kern Knotts could do with sorting out, happy to do so if the moderator doesn't want to (they don't seem to have been active on UKC for a while)
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

> Kern Knotts could do with sorting out, happy to do so if the moderator doesn't want to (they don't seem to have been active on UKC for a while)

Hi Simon, I have transferred that over to you.

Cheers

Alan
ads.ukclimbing.com
In reply to rlrs:

> This new (?) crag:

> ..already exists, with the pesky umlaut making the crag search difficult:


Sorted

Alan

In reply to jon:


> 'Aiguille de la Tour' should be Aiguille du Tour and is here: Aiguille du Tour

> 'La Petite Aiguille de Verte' should be Petite Verte and is here: No match for crag id:1998

> 'La Tour Ronde SE ridge' should be under Tour Ronde and is here: Tour Ronde - not under a list of via ferratas in Savoie.

> 'Aiguille de Toule E ridge normal route' should be under the misspelt Aiguille du Toule here: Aiguille de Toule and again not in a list of via ferratas. The 'du' needs changing to 'de'.

I have moved those. Do you know where the No match for climb id:122806 should be?

Alan
Martin Haworth on 29 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH: The Gogarth Main Cliff and Gogarth South Stack crags don't seem to have been moderated much recently. They are both very well laid out and were up to date, but I have sent a number of requests/comments over the last 6 months that havent been acted upon and I've had no feedback.
I'm happy to moderate these crags if the current moderator no longer wishes to.
Big Lee - on 29 Jun 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> I have moved those. Do you know where the No match for climb id:122806 should be?

> Alan

Should be here Alan:

Aiguille Savoie

Pretty sure it's this route but not got guidebooks to hand:

South-East Ridge (AD)



Simon Caldwell - on 01 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hagg Wood seems to be a bit neglected, not sure if the moderator is active but happy to sort it if not
In reply to Martin Haworth:

> The Gogarth Main Cliff and Gogarth South Stack crags don't seem to have been moderated much recently. They are both very well laid out and were up to date, but I have sent a number of requests/comments over the last 6 months that havent been acted upon and I've had no feedback.

> I'm happy to moderate these crags if the current moderator no longer wishes to.

The moderator was Rockfax author Mark Reeves. I happen to know mark is out of the country for a while and probably a bit busy so I have transferred them to you - thanks for the offer. We may move them back to mark when he is back in North Wales.

Gogarth North Stack and Main Cliff
Gogarth South Stack

Cheers

Alan
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

> Hagg Wood seems to be a bit neglected, not sure if the moderator is active but happy to sort it if not

Looks like the current moderator removed themselves this morning following your message. I have added you.

Cheers

Alan
Nik Jennings - on 01 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Summit quarry
(sorry dunno how to do the link thing on an iPad??)
It hasn't been moderated since I added some new routes before I moved to the Isle of Man 2 years ago. I'd be happy to get it up to date in foster care stylee if there isn't a willing local currently, but would then release it back in to the wilds to fend for itself until such time as a loving adoptive parent can be found.
Gordon Stainforth - on 01 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Am I alone in wondering what this 'Moderator "Amnesty"' is all about? What on earth does it amount to, this mysterious 'pardon'? It seems a very strong word. I've long had a suspicion that it's a malapropism for something much gentler ... amendment, or emendation, or even amity, perhaps ??? As it stands, the concept sounds very odd indeed.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

> Am I alone in wondering what this 'Moderator "Amnesty"' is all about?

Maybe the word Amnesty is not quite right any more, but I think it is pretty clear to most what this thread is intended to do and it has been doing it very effectively for the last 1.5 years.

Initially it was because the first thread was aimed at people who had claimed crags but then not done anything with them - there were a lot of these and still are quite a few. Now it is just a recognisable thread title.

Alan
In reply to Nik Jennings:

> Summit quarry

> It hasn't been moderated since I added some new routes before I moved to the Isle of Man 2 years ago. I'd be happy to get it up to date in foster care stylee if there isn't a willing local currently, but would then release it back in to the wilds to fend for itself until such time as a loving adoptive parent can be found.

Now transferred - Summit Quarry

In relation to Gordon's comment, that is an example of a crag that was claimed by a moderator in 2007 and which hasn't been touched since. The amnesty idea was for that person to ditch their moderation although I agree that the correct use of the word implies some sort of punishment being ignored which is obviously nonsense.

Alan
Gordon Stainforth - on 02 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks for explaining. )
Gordon Stainforth - on 02 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

PS. ... as someone who supports Amnesty International ... another
Fiend - on 22 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

A vote of no confidence in "fly or die" : http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=70631

He doesn't seem to actually moderate the crags: loads of un-checked red routes, duplicate routes, duplicate crags, doesn't update route details, route details differ from guide for no reason, etc etc,

Instead they should all be given to Tom Last : http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=10279 , whether he likes it or not ;)
Kafoozalem - on 22 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'm researching Daddyhole for the next CC Guide. The current moderator doesn't respond to update requests or emails.

Daddyhole Main Cliff
Kafoozalem - on 23 Jul 2015
In reply to Kafoozalem:

I would like to take over as moderator.
HeMa on 24 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Not really a crag thing, but just saw this.
This pic http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=105392 is linked to the incorrect crag and route.

It should go here No match for crag id:2597
Andy Moles - on 24 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

No match for crag id:16922 is included in Polldubh Crags, Glen Nevis.
Kafoozalem - on 28 Jul 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Please can I take over as moderator for Daddyhole Main Cliff.

Daddyhole Main Cliff
lewisrichardson - on 07 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Torbryan Quarry

Asked a while ago to swap and was told that it is not the moderators job to update the crag?? Have now added link ups and they have not been looked at for over a month!

Many route descriptions missing and others lack detail.

Would love to be able to sort this crag out as it is well used but people struggle to find routes using ukc
scott titt - on 07 Aug 2015
In reply to lewisrichardson:
Your expectation of what a moderator should do is very high, nay unrealistic. From the mods help page
"This may involve things like uploading missing routes, checking existing data for mistakes, putting the routes in crag order and dealing with email requests from other users about that particular crag"
Please note the "may".
I dont see data input as part of the mods job, they are there to QC the input.
As for the link-ups you have entered, do you expect the mod to have visited the crag, climbed the link-ups and approved them for you, all in a month? The mod probably has a life outside of UKC and Torbryan.
andrewmcleod - on 07 Aug 2015
In reply to scott titt:

> Please note the "may".

That's semantics; the 'may' clearly only means that you might not have to do those things because you may not need to (e.g. if nobody emails you, you don't have to respond!), not because you can just not bother.

> As for the link-ups you have entered, do you expect the mod to have visited the crag, climbed the link-ups and approved them for you, all in a month? The mod probably has a life outside of UKC and Torbryan.

Amusingly from the moderator's profile:
'Interests Outside Climbing
Is there a world outside climbing'

:P but more seriously, thanks to all moderators of all crags, and I appreciate people are busy!
In reply to Kafoozalem:

You've got it.
In reply to Andy Moles:

Cheers, that's merged.
Mark Kemball - on 08 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Rosemergy Towers needs sorting out, I am happy to take it on, but won't be able to sort it until September.
spiderz - on 15 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested:

Cow's Mouth Quarry

I don't think it has been updated in a while but I would love to organise the bouldering in sections/areas to tidy it up.
Tom Last - on 17 Aug 2015
In reply to Fiend:

Haha, just seen this Fiend - drop me in it why don't you! ;)
In reply to Mark Kemball:

> Rosemergy Towers needs sorting out, I am happy to take it on, but won't be able to sort it until September.

Now switched.

Alan
In reply to spiderz:

> Crag Requested:


> I don't think it has been updated in a while but I would love to organise the bouldering in sections/areas to tidy it up.

Now switched

Alan
HeMa on 17 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There seems to be 2 entries of the same crag.

The more up-to-date is this Pärkänvuori

And then the obsolete one is this: No match for crag id:2974

I beleive the problem is related to the skandi-characters.

The routes should be merged and then the obsolete crag removed.

Entries from there -> here:
No match for climb id:53372 -> Sirgelimies (MVS 4b)
No match for climb id:49422 -> Rikun reitti (VS 4c)
No match for climb id:53373 -> Norjalaisten reitti, vasen (VS 4c)
No match for climb id:49423 -> Norjalaisten reitti, oikea (VS 5a)
In reply to HeMa:

> The more up-to-date is this Pärkänvuori

Now sorted although the routes need merging on the new crag still.

Alan

Andy Moles - on 17 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Coire Lagan Boulders is a mess. I'd suggest changing the crag name to Coire Lagan Boulders so that people stop adding routes that are already in the database elsewhere. A lot of stuff there isn't even in Coire Lagan - some of it is duplicated with Culnamean and Ghrunnda Boulders, and one route isn't even in the Cuillin at all. I'm happy to take over and do a bit of tidying, but I don't have enough local knowledge to do it properly.
Colin Moody - on 18 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

This has appeared Barra but some of the crags were already in the database.
Breaker Wall
Dubh Slab
Hot Wall

If you would like to separate out the other crags, I'll drag them into place. The first and last crags are about 7km apart.
John Southworth on 20 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Crag requested: Spittle hill Spittle Hill

& Castle Hill: Castle Hill

In reply to Andy Moles:


I have renamed it and switched it. If routes need moving to other crags then let me know by putting them under separate buttresses.


Alan
In reply to Colin Moody:

> This has appeared Barra but some of the crags were already in the database.

I will contact Dan about that. He probably has some plans for that area and he has extra access now so can sort it out.

We do prefer larger crag listings where possible, and the system will eventually have locations for Buttress dividers as well.

Alan
In reply to John Southworth:

> Crag requested: Spittle hill Spittle Hill

> & Castle Hill: Castle Hill

Both transferred to you since the current moderator hadn't been active for 3 years.

Alan
Andy Moles - on 20 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Will do Alan, but the moderator at present seems to be Mr Nobody?
In reply to Andy Moles:

> Will do Alan, but the moderator at present seems to be Mr Nobody?

Sorry, mis-type when putting the id number in. Now corrected.

Alan
Tom Last - on 20 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Hi Alan.

Can you swap St Loy and Basher's Harbour over to me please.

Basher's is very incomplete and I'm probably best placed to amend it.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=503

St Loy is a complex area which is not reflected in the crag page here. Buttress dividers need to be added, there are a couple of duplicates, much of the running order is incorrect, etc.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=216

I'm more than happy for Fly or Die to have them back afterwards if he wants them, but currently these crags are verified as correct when in fact they're not.

Cheers,
Tom
Post edited at 12:49
Andy Moles - on 20 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Coire Lagan Boulders is now sorted with climbs to be moved marked as such.
Colin Moody - on 20 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

OK. But it is a big area so you might at least think about splitting it into three?

Map link below.

http://www.colinmoody.com/Site/Blank.html
rlrs on 20 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

You can delete the crag:

No match for crag id:20919

Since it is included in the crag:

Bielenhoerner

The only climb in the crag to be deleted has one tick (I've notified the tickee anyway) and you could move this climb to the new crag (where an un-logged version of the climb now exists).

Thanks,

Richard
Tom Last - on 21 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan.

Thanks, I've updated St Loy now. Fly or Die can have it back, or you can leave it with me.

St Loy Cliff

Either way I'm easy.

I'll do Basher's Later.

Cheers,
Tom
Andy Moles - on 24 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Sgurr Dearg and No match for crag id:13231 should be amalgamated.
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Andy Moles - on 24 Aug 2015
Ron Rees Davies - on 26 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
No match for crag id:11976

Just noticed this one in Nant Peris - this is just a mis-spelling of the adjacent crag Craig y Ddol, and this one should therefore be removed.

(The 'real' Craig y Ddol is also mis-spelled and should be "Craig", not "Crag")
Post edited at 22:48
Big Lee - on 31 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I'd happily moderate this crag. The logbook grades are correct but no sign of approval of routes that I've added through the summer.

Gullaug
In reply to Andy Moles:


Done that but not sure which TD Gap VDiff to replace on that listing.


Moved
In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

> No match for crag id:11976

> Just noticed this one in Nant Peris - this is just a mis-spelling of the adjacent crag Craig y Ddol, and this one should therefore be removed.

> (The 'real' Craig y Ddol is also mis-spelled and should be "Craig", not "Crag")

Sorted
In reply to Big Lee:

> I'd happily moderate this crag. The logbook grades are correct but no sign of approval of routes that I've added through the summer.


Switched
LGraham on 31 Aug 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Intake Ridge/Glaciated Slab

This could do with a tidy up. Listed backwards, missing routes, wrong grades etc. The moderator doesn't seem to be active anymore.
In reply to LGraham:


> This could do with a tidy up. Listed backwards, missing routes, wrong grades etc. The moderator doesn't seem to be active anymore.

Ok switched. No activity on that one since 2008!

Make sure these are listed left-to-right if you do reorder.

Thanks

Alan

Jon Read - on 01 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Severe apologies if this has been covered above, but a large number of routes have been added to Buoux from the Rockfax lists, many of which are duplicates (e.g. TCF, Azincourt) probably due to spelling and foreign character discrepancies. I can't seem to delete these duplicates and move any ticks to existing routes. There are too many to 'Report' each one...
Advice welcome!
In reply to Jon Read:

> Severe apologies if this has been covered above, but a large number of routes have been added to Buoux from the Rockfax lists, many of which are duplicates (e.g. TCF, Azincourt) probably due to spelling and foreign character discrepancies. I can't seem to delete these duplicates and move any ticks to existing routes. There are too many to 'Report' each one...

> Advice welcome!

Hi Jon

Don't think it has been covered before. In this case you should delete the original entry, not the newer Rockfax one, and you will be given the option to move the ticks across. This will probably make the route order a bit wonky which can be a bit of a faff to sort.

Alternatively, you can leave this crag for the time being since we are just in the process of preparing the Haute Provence data for the Rockfax App which involves sorting out all the crags so that they have a good single match.

Cheers

Alan
Jon Read - on 01 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
> ... In this case you should delete the original entry, not the newer Rockfax one, and you will be given the option to move the ticks across. This will probably make the route order a bit wonky which can be a bit of a faff to sort.

And lose all my lovingly reproduced accented vowels and descriptions? Pah (as they say).

> Alternatively, you can leave this crag for the time being since we are just in the process of preparing the Haute Provence data for the Rockfax App which involves sorting out all the crags so that they have a good single match.

Will do.

In reply to Jon Read:

I am not seeing these duplicates Jon. Can you give me an example of one?

Also, I think existing descriptions get carried over when we match but I can't remember for sure, however I can't find and duplicates which I was going to try and test.

Alan
Jon Read - on 01 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
e.g.
No match for climb id:33246
and
TCF (Turbo Cibi Facho) (7a)

Agincourt (8c)
and
No match for climb id:281903

not many ticks on that last one mind.
Post edited at 10:41
In reply to Jon Read:

There is some technical problem there which we are looking into. Those routes are both matched to the same RF route and this shouldn't be possible.

Alan
In reply to Jon Read:

All sorted - most of the duplicates should be combined - there were 11 that had got messed up. If you find any more then grab the UKC description on your clip board (if there is one), delete the UKC version, and move the ticks to the Rockfax version, then paste the description into the RF version.

I have tried to do some route order sorting as well and got through about half of them.

If you do sort them into any order, then it is a huge help for us if you stick with the Rockfax guidebook order and Buttress names.

Alan
Jon Read - on 01 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks Alan and RF elves. Will do.
jockporridge on 01 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

crag Requested: Leigh Tor Leigh Tor

Not been updated in a while...
In reply to jockporridge:

> crag Requested: Leigh Tor Leigh Tor

> Not been updated in a while...

Now switched.

Alan
Big Lee - on 03 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Minor point. Name for this crag can be tidied up. It can just be 'Vardåsen'.

Vardåsen



Cathy - on 03 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

With regard to adding guidebooks: is there any chance of allowing more than one country to be attached to a guidebook? Pyrenees guides often include routes in both Spain and France, and sometimes Andorra as well.
gav - on 03 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

There are a bunch of routes (around the first 20) listed under Raven Crag (Langdale), which used to be considered "Far West Raven Crag" but since the latest guidebook have been listed under White crag. These should be merged in one direction or the other.
dsh - on 04 Sep 2015
TonyM - on 07 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Chamonix

The rock climbing around the Envers hut in Chamonix has got a bit messy in the logbooks recently. Separate individual mountain entries have been spawned for areas already covered elsewhere as buttresses within the greater area.

Suggest you consolidate:
“Nantillons” No match for crag id:2899
Bec d’Oiseau No match for crag id:20636
Aiguille de Grepon No match for crag id:8622
Aiguille de la Republique No match for crag id:10386
Dalles Inferieiurs des Envers Dalles Inférieures de l'Envers
Aiguille Pierre Allan Aiguille Pierre-Alain

Into the existing...

Envers des Aiguilles Envers des Aiguilles

I can re-order / de-dup / correct name typos, etc.

Tony
Andy Moles - on 08 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Can the problems that are listed as such in Coire Lagan Boulders be moved to Culnamean, Ghrunnda Boulders, An Sguman and Sgurr Sgumain respectively? Thanks.
In reply to gav:

> There are a bunch of routes (around the first 20) listed under Raven Crag (Langdale), which used to be considered "Far West Raven Crag" but since the latest guidebook have been listed under White crag. These should be merged in one direction or the other.

Those have been moved but there are some dupes in there now.

Alan
In reply to Cathy:

> With regard to adding guidebooks: is there any chance of allowing more than one country to be attached to a guidebook? Pyrenees guides often include routes in both Spain and France, and sometimes Andorra as well.

It would probably be quite a faff to do this but it doesn't actually have much impact on what crags you can add to the guide anyway. I'd suggest just adding the crags since that is the way most people will track down the guidebook.

Alan
In reply to dsh:

> Crag Requested -








Looks like you have now got most of those so you can start adding and verifying. The last one needs a map. Two had an active moderator already.

Alan
In reply to Andy Moles:

> Can the problems that are listed as such in Coire Lagan Boulders be moved to Culnamean, Ghrunnda Boulders, An Sguman and Sgurr Sgumain respectively? Thanks.

All moved

Alan
Big Lee - on 08 Sep 2015
In reply to TonyM:
> Into the existing...

> Envers des Aiguilles Envers des Aiguilles

What about mixed and ice routes on the Aiguilles though? Anybody with just the Snow, Rock and Mixed guide isn't going to understand that routes for these peaks need to be added to the Envers des Aiguilles logbook when peaks towards Aiguille du Midi are listed separately (Aiguille du Plan, etc). I think there will continually be new mountain entries added by accident for this reason unless there is a consistant way to list the peaks along the entire chain to Aiguille du Midi.

Edit:

Also, I haven't climbed here specifically or used the guidebook, but does the Envers des Aiguilles guide not just cover the Vallée Blanche and Mer de Glace aspects? My French is rubbish but does the name not mean the 'back' of the Aiguilles? There presumably needs to be somewhere to log routes for the other aspects so deleting the mountain entries seems a little short-sighted. I would personally have thought listing the mountains on separate pages would make adding routes a more obvious affair. It would also stay consistant with how nearly every other peak in Mont Blanc region is listed and allow 'summit' entries to be added for the separate peaks for anybody wishing to do so. If nothing else the Envers des Aiguilles name needs to be changed to imply all aspects are included and the description updated to imply inclusion of mixed routes.
Post edited at 09:57
TonyM - on 09 Sep 2015
In reply to Big Lee:

Hi Lee
My pitch wasn't to cover the entire Chamonix Aiguilles under one crag entry, but to tidy it up.
The peaks with routes on the N side of the Aiguilles are left well alone - e.g. Peigne, Pelerins, Blatiere, Grand Charmoz. That is where almost all the mixed and ice routes are.

There are currently about 20 UKC crag entries in and around the Chamonix Aiguilles. My proposal was to clean up 7 of these.
There is only one single route in those seven crag entries that I identify that is not accessed from the Envers side. (That route is the Traverse of the Grepon.) All the other routes are wholly covered and often duplicated within the existing Envers entry.

There is no perfect solution here. Modern alpine guidebooks tend to adopt a watershed-based approach to categorising routes, rather than a peak based approach. (You can see from the old Alpine Club guides that the latter approach is confusing!)

Happy to change the name of the Envers UKC Crag entry to make it a bit clearer what it covers. But hopefully anyone looking on the UKC map of crags would see that a lot of stuff is covered by the entry becasue it has a large-size marker.

Tony
jon on 09 Sep 2015
In reply to TonyM:
Can you not use the Envers guidebook as defining the area, basically Requin > Montenvers, with buttress dividers. I did this with the Aigs Rouges - lumped everything together - and it worked to an extent but was admittedly a bit clumsy, but I think now Alan has better plans for buttress dividers (I think?), it could work well. Beyond the Requin up to the Aig du Midi (there are lots of rock routes too on the various rognons) could be Vallée Blanche, for instance. Forgive me if that's what you are doing at the moment or if I've misunderstood...
Post edited at 12:12
TonyM - on 09 Sep 2015
In reply:

Yep, Jon. I'd basically have covered anything in the Envers guidebook within that single UKC crag entry for Envers.

The existing Dent du Requin entry ought to be subsumed too. Dent du Requin. Not sure why I didn't originally include it. Either my oversight, or it might have existed as en entry before I signed up to moderate the Envers crag entry. So I would add that to the other seven crag entries that I think the Envers ought to subsume.

Alan, if you could make those changes (and existing mods don't mind) then to reflect Lee's point about clarity, suggest you rename the overall crag entry to

"Envers des Aiguilles: Requin > Grepon > Montenvers"

That should give enough coverage of the normal search terms that users currently missing the landing page might try.

Tony
dsh - on 09 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

> Looks like you have now got most of those so you can start adding and verifying. The last one needs a map. Two had an active moderator already.

> Alan

Ok cool, well the new guidebook comes out next week, so I'll probably sit down then and sort them all out. Noone but me will probably use them but it'll be nice to have all my logs in one place.
samt on 11 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested Winnats Pass

Its all a bit out of date and some factual mistakes. I've very very familiar with the whole shining cliff crag/history now so am willing to sort it out. Ta
In reply to samt:

> Crag requested Winnats Pass

> Its all a bit out of date and some factual mistakes. I've very very familiar with the whole shining cliff crag/history now so am willing to sort it out. Ta

Now switched.

Alan
samt on 17 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Nice one - cheers
Pete-West88 - on 17 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

No match for crag id:17668

Empty Duplicate of Huntly's cave just to the North.
HeMa on 17 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

As a general question, I is there a possibility to mass-update (or rather change) grades of routes in a crag that I moderate?

Because in the past, Toby, me and others gave routes the normal british grades here in Finland. How ever, to be honest french grade makes much more sense (after all, it's nowadays what we anyway use here). And now it seems the db also has that option.
db79 - on 17 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Honley Quarry

There's a bunch of routes still waiting to be checked and have been for a while.
Ron Rees Davies - on 18 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Don't want to take it over, but the moderator of No match for crag id:21717 could do with some advice - it's an indoor wall listed as a crag and apparently including 10 indoor summits!

See this thread - http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=624602
Frank the Husky - on 19 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested: Hall Stones Quarry

Hall Stones Quarry (Lower Winsley)

Frank the Husky - on 19 Sep 2015
In reply to db79: Completely agree with you on that. The current database is years out of date. The current moderator isn't doing his job for a decent little quarry.

Frank the Husky - on 25 Sep 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

CRag requested: Warland Quarry

Warland Quarry

Emailed the current moderator 3 times without reply.
Big Lee - on 29 Sep 2015
In reply to Frank the Husky:

I can moderate this:

Hallinden

All the routes with the † symbol are in the latest guidebook.
Big Lee - on 05 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Would also happily moderate this one as really enjoy climbing at this place:

Muserud

Routes that I've added have gone unchecked, plus the routes are listed in a totally random order. The crag info, access info, and crag location is already info that I've previously added. Think I'm one of the few climbers using the UKC logbooks who visits this place.
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Fiend - on 05 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Update details for 'Clogwyn Garw'

Your Crag was not submitted because of the following error(s):
•We don't accept submissions from your machine which has recently been used to send spam

Please correct these error(s) and re-submit.
(You can return to the form by using the back button in your browser.)
In reply to db79:

> Crag Requested: Honley Quarry

> There's a bunch of routes still waiting to be checked and have been for a while.

Not checked since 2009!

Now switched.

Alan
In reply to Frank the Husky:

> Crag Requested: Hall Stones Quarry


Now switched.

Alan

All those other crag requests have been switched although some were recently moderated.

Alan
SDM on 10 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Not strictly related but doesn't seem worth opening a new thread.

When uploading an xls file of missing climbs for French crags, all characters with accents (éêèáàçô etc) get replaced with a question mark. Is there any way around this to avoid having to go back and change each climb name individually?
TobyA on 10 Oct 2015
In reply to SDM:

It's been a longstanding issue with Nordic characters as well. I often needed to use ö, ä and occasionally å in Finland, and the Norwegian crags need ø and æ occasionally, but it at least used to not work in the logbooks.
jon on 10 Oct 2015
In reply to TobyA and SDM:
I've asked Paul about accented letters that come up as a square symbol or a code like this - 'La Grev£Directe' - and he says it's an IE thing. Could be the same?
Post edited at 12:18
SDM on 10 Oct 2015
In reply to jon:

I don't think it is a browser issue but I could be wrong. I am uploading the climbs from an Excel file (where they display correctly) so I don't think the browser I am using should be relevant. Once uploaded, the accented characters just show up as a normal '?'.

If I then edit the climbs individually through my browser (Firefox) and add the accented characters back in, they then display correctly.
TobyA on 10 Oct 2015
In reply to jon:

Haven't use IE for a decade or something so doubt its that.
jon on 10 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Devoluy

These crags Devoluy are known as Les Gicons and not Dévoluy which is the area they are within. The guidebook's clumsy setting out is clearly responsible for this mistake.
In reply to SDM:

> Not strictly related but doesn't seem worth opening a new thread.

> When uploading an xls file of missing climbs for French crags, all characters with accents (éêèáàçô etc) get replaced with a question mark. Is there any way around this to avoid having to go back and change each climb name individually?

I believe these issues are being solved on Monday when we release the new Logbook version.

Alan
SDM on 12 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Great, I'll test it out when I get a chance.
jon on 12 Oct 2015
In reply to SDM:

> I don't think it is a browser issue but I could be wrong.

Here's another example - both on the same page: http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=626474 On my screen, Cú Chullain's user name appears fine in the blue band but appears as C£ Chullain: in 'in reply to'.
rlrs on 15 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Some tidying up to do in Switzerland:

This unmoderated crag
No match for crag id:22396
can be deleted, with this climb in it
No match for climb id:377296
moved to this crag
Täschhorn
dannyboy83 - on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to rlrs:

sorted!
Martin Haworth on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Alan, now the new definitive Gogarth South guide is out I have a load of updates to do over the coming weeks. Can you transfer Trinity House Walls over to me please and put all the routes into Gogarth South Stack, that seems a logical place for them.
Also can you move Penlas Rock over to Gogarth South Stack, I already moderate this but don't know how to move a whole crag over.
There are hundreds of routes to update on the Range, I don't moderate that crag, I'm happy to take it on if the current moderator doesn't want to update it.
Mark Kemball - on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Longships Zawn has no climbs in the logbook (although the info says 16) and is part of Lands End, so the former should be deleted,
rlrs on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I can't work out how to access the guidebook database now, can anyone help?
In reply to Martin Haworth:

Hi Martin,

Generally we'd prefer to keep crags that have their own entry in the BMC RAD database such as Penlas Rock as separate crag entries. The crags get live Access Issue updates from the BMC now and so it'd be a shame to not show any updates relevant to the crag. It looks like a pretty small crag though so maybe Alan will just merge it.

Cheers, Paul.
rlrs on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Yes that one, but I don't see anyway to get to it from the Logbook menu?!
Mark Kemball - on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to rlrs:
To see the guidebooks for a crag, click "guidebooks" at the top of the page. To add a new guidebook, click "update this crag" and scroll down.
(You can do this from the public crag page or the moderators page.)
Post edited at 23:00
rlrs on 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Mark Kemball:

Thanks Mark...I don't want to add a new guidebook, but from there one can see all the guidebooks, which is what I do want.
rlrs on 19 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Some tidying of duplicate crags in the Jura required:

Please delete this newly added crag...
No match for crag id:22095

...and move the only climb in it to the existing crag which I moderate:
Les Sometres

Have informed the moderator of the first one I will request this.
rlrs on 26 Oct 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
More tidying up of duplicate crags, delete this one in Valais East:
No match for crag id:22116

Keep this one in Valais West:
La Luette
In reply to rlrs:

Sorted
joepremier on 02 Nov 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

No match for crag id:15593 should be merged with Bärenschlucht

and Bärenschlucht could then be renamed to "Bärenschlucht" to be properly correct, but that's not too big a deal!
In reply to joepremier:

Done
rlrs on 04 Nov 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Duplicate crags again, this one:

No match for crag id:22112

should be merged into this one:

Huhnerchnubel

I guess the "ü" tends to catch people out, also the search function doesn't (always?) pick it up.

Big Lee - on 17 Nov 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Happy to moderate this as know the whereabouts of the routes in red.
Krokan
In reply to Big Lee:

> Happy to moderate this as know the whereabouts of the routes in red.


Added you as second moderator.

Alan
Big Lee - on 17 Nov 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks. Just found a minor bug with doing this:

I added some basic details about the crag but it didn't update automatically. Instead they're showing as 'Updates waiting to be verified for this crag' on the climb moderation page. When I click on these links to approve my own updates I get the message 'No such crag update in database'.
In reply to Big Lee:
Hi Lee, I've fixed that and also enabled changing the Access Issue state if you're a moderator too. This is only for non-BMC RAD linked crags - their Access State is set by that.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/addcrag.html?id=1943

I changed the state of Krokan to Advice due to your comment about the Ice.
Krokan

Cheers, Paul.
Post edited at 11:36
Big Lee - on 17 Nov 2015
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Great. Another problem I've just found is that I can't add a buttress/divider. I get a message saying 'Error: You aren't listed as the moderator for this crag. '
In reply to Big Lee:

Doh, that's sorted too.
johnwright - on 14 Dec 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested, Woolley Edge Quarry Woolley Edge Quarry
In reply to johnwright:

You're a moderator for that crag now.
The Ivanator - on 24 Dec 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Not Requesting a crag, or really complaining here, the current moderator seems to be doing a good job. But just wondered if the new routes on Coastguard South in the Aerials section could be changed to Sport grades. Currently they look like Sport grades, are bolted Sports climbs, but come up as Trad routes in my logbook/graphs.
Not a big issue, but would be good to clear up - would also have the side effect of correcting both my hardest Trad and Sport onsights.
In reply to The Ivanator:

Sorted those, cheers.
The Ivanator - on 24 Dec 2015
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Nice one, Merry Christmas!
Ken Applegate - on 24 Dec 2015
It looks to me like Lurcher's Crag in the Cairngorms needs a new moderator (I'm not volunteering, just making a suggestion):
Lurcher's Crag



In reply to Ken Applegate:

I've opened it up to anyone who wants to volunteer.
Jonny M - on 28 Dec 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Can you set me to moderator for Rumney and Pawtuckaway please? I've got routes to add, there's some sorting out required, and it's 2 months since I emailed the crag moderator:
Rumney
Pawtuckaway

Thanks,
Jon
jcw on 29 Dec 2015
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Is it possible to ask if there are any volunteers to sort out the Vercors. There are huge swathes that are not even covered. I am afraid that I am too out of date and technically incompetent to do so. But it is a great area of fantastic climbing. Perhaps Jon knows someone who could help?
jcw on 29 Dec 2015
In reply to jcw: as a ps, I would add that I'd be delighted to help in translation if that would help.

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Martin McKenna - UKC - on 29 Dec 2015
In reply to Jonny M:

That's done Jonny
rlrs on 05 Jan 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Please can you rename this crag I moderate:

Dents de Morcles

to "Dents de Morcles" (following the Remy brothers guidebook treatment).
In reply to rlrs:

Done
db79 - on 15 Feb 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Greetland Quarry is looking a little bit unloved. I'd be happy to knock it into shape.
In reply to db79:

> Greetland Quarry is looking a little bit unloved. I'd be happy to knock it into shape.

Now transferred. It had 'Updates pending since 2007'.

Thanks

Alan
scott titt - on 15 Feb 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Hello Alan, could you put this buttress http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/modbuttress.php?id=13468 and all the routes in it into Nuova Ossessione#maps
In reply to scott titt:

I've moved those.
RobBrooks - on 19 Feb 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested

Millstone quarry

Mow Cop

The current crag monitor hasnt updated for many months now
In reply to RobBrooks:

You've got it. Thanks for the help with the database.
LakesWinter on 19 Feb 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan, please can I have St. Sunday crag
I've climbed many of the routes on the crag and have a pretty good idea where everything fits together - I could sort all the routes that need updating/approving etc
In reply to LakesWinter:

You've got it.
LakesWinter on 20 Feb 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Thanks
Iain Thow - on 20 Feb 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,
Too many Foel Gochs (Foelgochiau?)
Glyderau Foel Goch and No match for crag id:14951 are the same hill, and the routes on the latter are also in the database under Creigiau Gleision (name of the crag rather than the hill).
No match for climb id:384990 is Needle's Eye Arete/North Arete (3)
No match for climb id:392621 is The Mushroom Garden/South Arete (2)
Also the pic on Foel Goch (the one near Bala) is of Glyderau Foel Goch, as are the 5 pics under Foel Goch, which is the one NW of Snowdon according to its map location.
scott titt - on 28 Feb 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Could you please move the tick for this route No match for climb id:389164 to Procedura D'Urgenza (6a)and delete from San Vito lo Capo Salinella
The ticks for Procedura D' Urgenza (6a) also need migrating to Procedura D'Urgenza (6a) Cattedrale Nel Deserto Cattedrale Nel Deserto need merging and moving to San Vito lo Capo from Trapani
Thanks
Scott
Big Lee - on 28 Feb 2016
In reply to scott titt:

Happy to sort these out:

Mjelva
Hornaksla
Bispen
Romsdalshorn

This can also be deleted as it's a duplicate (also not in Romsdal):

No match for crag id:2575
Big Lee - on 07 Mar 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

These two crags are the same crag under a different name so presumably could be merged. You will notice many of the route names are the same for both crag.

No match for crag id:498
(Named used in the CC Ogwen guide to describe the summer routes)

Devils Kitchen (Cwm Idwal) - (Clogwyn y Geifr)
(Name used in winter guides)
Andy Moles - on 08 Mar 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Significant route in the wrong place, Hung, Drawn & Quartered (VIII 8) and Hung, Drawn & Quartered (E3 6a) are on No match for crag id:14113, not the Basteir Tooth as currently listed. Though the Tooth could probably be integrated with Am Basteir as a separate buttress.
In reply to Iain Thow:

> Too many Foel Gochs (Foelgochiau?)

Sorted.

Alan
In reply to scott titt:

> Could you please move the tick for this route No match for climb id:389164 to Procedura D'Urgenza (6a)and delete from San Vito lo Capo Salinella

Sorted.

> Cattedrale Nel Deserto need merging and moving to San Vito lo Capo from Trapani

Don't understand this bit. This crag is on the other side of the island to San Vito lo Capo?

Alan
In reply to Big Lee:

Sorted both these requests.
In reply to Andy Moles:

Merged them but the route order probably needs sorting. I made you second moderator.

Alan
scott titt - on 08 Mar 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Thanks for moving that route, it was the only blemish on the crag page!
Cattedrale is only 3km from San Vito, and all the crags around it are in the San Vito area on UKC. The Trapani crags are over 20km west of these.
If you look at the routes at Cattedrale, Prccedura D'Urgenza appears twice, the links I posted give the two different entries.
Cheers
Scott
Dave Williams - on 27 Mar 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Barmouth Slabs&lgn=87019

This crag needs updating (last update in 2010) as there have been a number of changes, including many existing routes that need listing.

Happy to be the new moderator/ second moderator or whatever.

Dave
Dave Williams - on 05 Apr 2016
In reply to Dave Williams:


bump
In reply to Dave Williams:

You've got it.
Dave Williams - on 06 Apr 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Thanks Paul.
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Australia, Serengeti, Bus Stop Quarry

please as a spend most my days there and i live in dinorwig
DerwentDiluted - on 06 Apr 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

If anybody wants Pleasley Vale they can, I spent a lot of time there when I lived East of Chessie, it doesn't need much doing but it's all hard-core bouldering now so not my thing. Happy to keep it on if no takers.
Mark Kemball - on 06 Apr 2016
In reply to jacob shieldhouse hadley:

I have to ask why? The first two at least seem to be well moderated.
Mark Kemball - on 07 Apr 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Eldorado Canyon - also contains No match for crag id:2457 and No match for crag id:3345 Perhaps these need merging (I'm not volunteering - last there in 1981).
In reply to Mark Kemball:

it seams i have noticed a few routes out of place and first ascents not being added for about a month or so!
marsden.d.paul - on 08 Apr 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested
Rapaki Rock - Port Hills (Rapaki Rock)
rlrs on 26 Apr 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I would like to request the merging of some crags (mostly mine) according to treatment in the Remy brothers' "Escalades..." guidebook, also because there are two "Les Diablerets" (only one of them mine).

I would like to moderate the final crag, I've emailed the other moderator to notify of this request.

The first Les Diablerets (not mine) has a good description which should be kept, but only two climbs:
Les Diablerets

The buttresses from the other one can go in:
No match for crag id:16516

And the buttresses from these other crags (moderated by myself) can go in as well:
No match for crag id:21902
No match for crag id:9485

Thanks,

Richard
rlrs on 03 May 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Bump for my above request.

Also, two issues with guidebooks:

1) When trying to add a new guidebook to a crag, I can't scroll in the drop down box properly, it always jumps to the bottom (laptop/windows 10/ firefox and google chrome).

2) In the guidebook info page, the caption under the map is "only showing crags for this guidebook", whereas all crags are shown.

Richard
In reply to rlrs:

I've sorted that out: Les Diablerets
In reply to rlrs:

I can replicate the problem with the guidebook selection. If you start typing the name it should auto-complete and allow you to select it. I'll try and sort that next week.

If the view on the map is out far enough on the map view to see the green blobs then I'm afraid, all crags will be shown. This seems to be the case for Schweiz Plaisir Alpin as it's fairly widespread. If you zoom in enough to see the clickable crag markers only those list underneath will be shown. I think I'll change this to just show the crag markers at all zoom levels to be honest as it shouldn't be much of a performance hit. Not sure why I didn't think of that before.

Cheers, Paul.
rlrs on 04 May 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Thanks for that.

Further on the topic of guidebooks, I reckon the page with the country listing where you can access all the guidebooks could be more easily accessed. I guess at the moment you can only get there by clicking on a guidebook link in a crag page.

If a link in the Logbooks drop down list is not desirable, a link in the find crags page could be another option.

Cheers, Richard
rlrs on 08 May 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Now getting this info when trying to add an guidebook to a crag (two different crags so far):

Automatically approving Crag update... Duplicate entry '32767' for key 1OK
rlrs on 08 May 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

A name correction please:

Should be "Redelsflue":

Redelsflue

In reply to rlrs:

> A name correction please:

> Should be "Redelsflue":


Now changed
In reply to rlrs:

Thanks, we're aware of this and trying to track down the culprit.
In reply to rlrs:

Sorted that error, some of the guidebooks weren't updated correctly.
In reply to rlrs:

> Further on the topic of guidebooks, I reckon the page with the country listing where you can access all the guidebooks could be more easily accessed. I guess at the moment you can only get there by clicking on a guidebook link in a crag page.

I've added a link to the Logbooks menu and made it look a bit nicer.
james.slater - on 10 May 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Spion Kop` Doesnt seem to have been updated for a long time? Would be happy to take it and update it.
In reply to james.slater:

You got it. Cheers, Paul.
ads.ukclimbing.com
Colin Moody - on 26 May 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Could you combine these three please?
Erraid Crags#maps
No match for crag id:18984
No match for crag id:18983#maps
In reply to Colin Moody:

> Could you combine these three please?


Now done.

Alan
Colin Moody - on 27 May 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Thanks.
BTphonehome on 06 Jun 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested:

Shelter Crags

Was up there on Saturday. Lots of new routes need adding/updating following the 2013 Langdale guide.

Cheers
In reply to BTphonehome:

You got it. Thanks

Alan
Fiend - on 07 Jun 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Message for igrieveuk - http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/profile.php?id=62646 - who is supposed to be doing The Range - The Range

Please get some moderating underway, ta!
Liam Ingram - on 12 Jun 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested: Creag Dubh, Newtonmore
In reply to Liam Ingram:

You've got it.
Andy Nisbet - on 13 Jun 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Have fun, Liam. You can decide whether Gary Latter's routes are worth the stars he gives them, or whether they are too close to other routes. I'm being neutral here.
Gary Latter - on 13 Jun 2016
In reply to Andy Nisbet:

Hi Andy
How about repeating some of them and then making an objective decision about them, rather than just dropping the stars? Surely that would be fairer, rather than disregarding them out of hand, without even making the effort to check them out?
Many of the star ratings in the new Highland Outcrops guide are ludicrous - routes clearly unchecked since their original recorded ascents. Routes that haven't been climbed for years given lots of stars, despite clearly being dirty. Such as those on the majority of the routes on Newtyle Quarry, which are dirty and haven't had any ascents for decades.
Andy Nisbet - on 13 Jun 2016
In reply to Gary Latter:

Gary, I wasn't being personal and hoped you wouldn't read it. Folks' opinions of stars vary hugely and I was trying to avoid all your new routes having more stars than the classics. You could argue that I should have given more stars to the classics but I wasn't going to restar the whole crag. To me, the natural (easiest) line will tend to get more stars as long as it's good. If someone then climbs a harder line through it, then I would drop a star (say) compared to what it would get as the easiest line. I did speak to several folk (even some of your climbing partners) who agreed with me. Sorry it irritates you. I did repeat (generally on a top-rope - too hard for me to lead) most of your routes and on the plus side, you'll see I did at least agree with your grades.
Andy Nisbet - on 13 Jun 2016
In reply to Gary Latter:

That's for Creag Dubh; I don't know about Newtyle.
Gary Latter - on 13 Jun 2016
In reply to Andy Nisbet:

Hi Andy
Thanks for your reply, and explanation. Yes, I totally agree it's often difficult to be objective about ones own routes. Just I think there are some very over-rated routes scattered throughout the new guide.
Think many of these have not had sufficient ascents to arrive at a consensus - always going to be a contentious one in a guide with a fair proportion of admittedly fairly minor and generally scruffy crags of purely local interest, though I don't think Creag Dubh could be ever be considered as such...
Andy Nisbet - on 13 Jun 2016
In reply to Gary Latter:

If the routes become popular, then I'll never object to a new author (I'll be too old to do it again) giving them more stars. Like Hill Direct get more stars than The Hill but Inbred Direct gets fewer than Inbred. I do appreciate all the work you've done on the crag (abseil points etc.).
Grahame N - on 16 Jun 2016
In reply to Gary Latter:
> Such as those on the majority of the routes on Newtyle Quarry, which are dirty and haven't had any ascents for decades.

The routes at Newtyle Quarry were cleaned a couple of months ago.
annep11 - on 17 Jun 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Please could this duplicate crag be removed or the routes added to the main Creag Dubh page?
No match for crag id:17070
In reply to annep11:

Thanks, that's merged into the main entry at Creag Dubh, Newtonmore
springfall2008 - on 03 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Requested - Shorn Cliff - My updates haven't been processed in weeks, I guess the moderator is busy
rlrs on 03 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Please could I have the crag

Sunneplättli

renamed as "Gersauer Klettergärten"

This is according to the grouping in the local SAC guide.
Alex the Alex on 08 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Upper Huller Stones (Skell Gill)

Ive some spare time and happy to update to YG guide? I noticed there are quite a few routes missing after having popped down last night.

Cheers, Alex
RobBrooks - on 10 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag Request:

Rock End#overview
Martin Haworth on 11 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Any chance you could transfer Trinity Walls crag on Gogarth to me please, I plan to get it up to date and incorporate it into Gogarth South Stack.
In reply to Martin Haworth:

> Any chance you could transfer Trinity Walls crag on Gogarth to me please, I plan to get it up to date and incorporate it into Gogarth South Stack.

I have just moved it to Gogarth South Stack.

Thanks

Alan
In reply to RobBrooks:
I have added you as second moderator for Rock End

Looks like some sensitive access information there, so I bumped up the access status. It doesn't appear to be listed in BMC RAD.

Alan
Post edited at 12:03
drysori - on 11 Jul 2016
In reply to springfall2008:

Hi Springfall, I've had laptop issues the last month and haven't been able to sort these. You're welcome to take over the moderation, I've handed in my keys and taken my things in a cardboard box... Should be available to take over now.

GrahamUney - on 11 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested. Napes. Great Gable. I've asked for a number of long established routes to be added and have had an email from the current moderator saying he can't find any information on the climbs. They are all in the current FRCC Great Gable guidebook.
Tom Last - on 13 Jul 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan.

Can you delete Pelitras Point please and move ticks to the climbs at Pellitras (2x Ls) Point please?

The former is a duplicate of the latter. I'm moderator for both.

Cheers!

Tom Last - on 17 Jul 2016
In reply to Tom Last:

As well as that, can I be made moderator for Windy Zawn please?

It's a mess.

Windy Zawn
In reply to Tom Last:

Combined. I have left the duplicates in place since they had different grades.

Pellitras Point
In reply to Tom Last:

> As well as that, can I be made moderator for Windy Zawn please?


Added
In reply to GrahamUney:

> Crag requested. Napes. Great Gable. I've asked for a number of long established routes to be added and have had an email from the current moderator saying he can't find any information on the climbs. They are all in the current FRCC Great Gable guidebook.

Added as second moderator - The Napes
gav - on 03 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Can we get the 'b' added to Cirque of the Unclimables
springfall2008 - on 03 Aug 2016
In reply to drysori:

Thanks Drysori - I have had a bit of a tidy up of Shorn Cliff now, adding the buttress names and sorting the adding climbs into the right location.

If you spot anything wrong let me know.
In reply to gav:

Done
Big Lee - on 03 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Noticed a lot of the satellite peaks surrounding L'Aiguille Verte have been merged into the Aiguille Verte logbook page (Aiguille Carree, Petite Aiguille Verte, etc). Just wondered whether Aiguille Sans Nom should also be merged into the Aiguille Verte logbook? It's arguably as much of a summit as as the points already merged into Aiguille Verte. A route has also been added for Pointe Croux, which lies midway between Verte and Sans Nom, so it's difficult to know where the boundaries lie. Personally I'd merge everything together with buttress headers but I haven't climbed Sans Nom and wondered what others thought.
Tom Last - on 11 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan.

Could I have Halldrine Cove please?

Halldrine Cove

It needs a lot of changes since the last guidebook. Current moderator Skip has done a good job, but is happy for me to proceed.

Cheers,
Tom
In reply to Tom Last:

You've got it.
Anti-faff - on 16 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crag requested: Highcliffe Nab

Route descriptions etc. could do with updating. I've contacted the incumbent moderator but no reply.

Cheers
Climbster - on 16 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Hi Alan,

Crag Hill could do with some attention, the problem numbers given on UKC don't match those given in the guidbook; making it nigh on impossible to identify which problems are which. If vertigo doesn't want to correct it I would be happy to take over as moderator as it's one of my local crags.

Matt
In reply to Anti-faff:

You're joint moderators now.
In reply to Climbster:

You're joint moderators now.
Anti-faff - on 17 Aug 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Ace. Thanks.
Climbster - on 18 Aug 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Hi Paul,

No sign of being joint mod for Crag Hill yet?

M
In reply to Climbster:

It shows you as joint mod for me. Try refreshing the page.
cat22 - on 28 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Crags requested: Deception Crags (Exit 38) and Index Town Wall - both need sorting into sectors, and new climbs adding.
Simon Caldwell - on 31 Aug 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

Can you make me joint moderator for Lundy - I've checked with Colin and he has no objection. I'm just back from there and have a number of changes to make.
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

You've got it.
Ally Smith on 31 Aug 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I have previously tried to contact the moderator for Waterval Boven offering to complete a number of changes and add missing routes after visiting this summer.

I am still happy to do these updates if you can add me as (joint) moderator?
Luke90 on 31 Aug 2016
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:

I've just returned from a trip to Pembroke where I discovered that Saddle Head has quite a few new routes from 2015 that are either not on UKC's database or have been added but not accepted by the current moderator.

I'm not local or likely to visit the place regularly so it wouldn't make much sense for me to moderate permanently but I've got the up to date CC guide so if I could be temporarily added as joint moderator, I'd like to sort out the new additions.
In reply to Luke90:

You're the 2nd mod Luke. Cheers.
Mehmet Karatay - on 03 Sep 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

I don't live in Edinburgh any more, so if anybody wants to take Corbie's Craig off my hands, then feel free. Not much goes on there so I'm willing to stay as the moderator if nobody is interested.

Mehmet
In reply to Mehmet Karatay:

I've switched you to the 2nd moderator position. Someone else can volunteer to be the main mod from the update page that way.
scott titt - on 23 Sep 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
I have quite a lot of crags and routes to enter for the Sachsische Schweiz (Saxony), can we have Sachsische grades in the drop down please?
Can you merge Türkenkopf with No match for crag id:23589 please. (The latter is the correct spelling)
I am happy to moderate any Sachsische crags without moderators for the mean time as it will make minor edits easier.
Post edited at 10:46
TizzyA - on 23 Sep 2016
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Could I moderate Ratcheugh crag please?
Ratcheugh Crag
In reply to TizzyA:

You've got it.
In reply to scott titt:

> I have quite a lot of crags and routes to enter for the Sachsische Schweiz (Saxony), can we have Sachsische grades in the drop down please?

Are they trad or sport grades? Can you send me a list of grades and how they compare to another grading system. Ideally UK grades for trad or French for sport grades please?

> Can you merge Türkenkopf with ...

I've deleted your submission and renamed the original since it had more info there.

Cheers, Paul.
scott titt - on 18:02 Sun
In reply to Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH:
They are trad grades there is a table here
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwierigkeitsskala_(Klettern) scroll down a bit.
However the match up with UK adjectival is poor, the lack of protection is terrifying so it is hard to make a true comparison with other grading systems.