In reply to TobyA:
> Obviously it's Rich's job to sell the new Citadel, but it does look very very good for the worst of UK winter weather. The one I reviewed a decade ago was fantastically warm, but I thought a bit over engineered with thing climbers didn't actually need. They new one looks rather similar in design to my 20 yr old DAS parka in the simplicity and big drop pockets, just made with better and lighter materials.
It does look like the perfect Scottish belay jacket (and that was a good sales pitch of a video!).
> The way he describes the hood, why can all manufacturers make hoods that work like that? I guess because those of us pulling them on over hats, fleece hoods, helmets, and shell hoods are actually quite a small and weird bunch and the vast majority of your potential sales just don't need a hood like that?
ME have always prided themselves on their hoods but for 99% of the outdoor buying public, they want something snug that looks good up and down, not a cavernous monstrosity! I have an Arc'teryx Cerium LT Hoody (that I won in a UKC comp, lucky me!) and the hood looks great but in any actual wind, it seems to funnel wind down my chest and nearly blows off. Give me an uncool but functional hood anyday!