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Hi folks. ,

If I want to reference something from the website https://environmental-protection.co.uk., with the specific link being information from here, https://environmental-protection.org.uk/policy-areas/air-quality/air-pollut..., how would I shape the citation in my text, and then the reference at the end when using APA referencing? 

Thanks.

In reply to Timmd:

I'd start with a working link feller.

In reply to Timmd:

once you get the URL correct, something like

Environmental Protection UK (2020) name of page, URL (accessed on 30/11/2020)

In reply to Doug:

https://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/policy-areas/air-quality/air-po...

Right, so in my essay, would I put all of the above, followed by the date (with the 2020 in brackets)?

Edit: Which part of a web address is the url? Thanks

In reply to Timmd:

the text in blue & underlined in you last post is the URL,

so

Environmental Protection UK (2020) National Air Quality Law and Policy https://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/policy-areas/air-quality/air-po... (accessed 30/11/2020)

is how I would cite that page

In reply to Timmd:

Your university should have some guides like the following

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/library/idlt/referencing

which includes APA.

In reply to Doug:

So, if I was quoting something, I'd write something like 'Air pollution costs the UK £20 billion a year' and then cite with all of the above from Environmental protection to (accessed 30/11/2020)?

Thanks

In reply to Timmd:

Yes, although I guess you could omit the https:// to make it a little shorter. But as said, haven't you been given guidance or at least a reference with worked examples ?

In reply to tjdodd:

Yes, I'm trying a few ways of finding out at once, towards assimilating how, my mind is funny (perhaps) in seeming to learn best like that. 

In reply to Doug:

Yes I have, but the examples I have looked at so far haven't quite made things click, the 'fog is clearing', now, though, so that's a plus. Thanks for you help.

In reply to Timmd:

https://www.scribbr.com/apa-examples/cite-a-website/ 

gives a good example but its important you temper anything with reference(!) to your depts instructions (eg the above+below is APA 7, not sure what style you are asked to use).  Students can get very stressed over referencing, but its just a skill to learn.

Citation, ie in the text...

Air pollution costs the UK £20 billion a year (Environmental Protection UK, 2020) blah blah blah.

then in reference section at the end of essay ...

REFERENCES:

Environmental Protection UK.( 30 Nov 2020)   National Air Quality Law and Policy  https://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/policy-areas/air-quality/air-po...  

In reply to lithos:

Thanks for that, it is APA 6 I am using. Yes, I get the sense that it is just a skill to learn.

That makes sense that the citation would be the website name and date accessed, with the full 'blurb' at the end in the references. 

In reply to Timmd:

yes but not the whole story   if the report on the website is authored by Jane Doe of Environmental Protection UK, it'd be (Doe 2020)   and the ref section would have her name as well. 

It's tricky but don't expect to remember it all, use tools (endnote, zotoro, that website i showed or a crib sheet - there are lots about online) to help format but make sure you read though to check the reference isnt daft (eg in BLOCK CAPS for no reason)

In reply to lithos:

I have just found citethisforme.com which seems quite helpful. 

In reply to Timmd:

I am not sure APA gives the retrieval date in the reference, which seems a bit odd compared to many

something like

(Author, 2020) –  in the text

and 

Author. (2020). This is the Title. Retrieved from www.internet.com – in the references

It is really easy to get this wrong as universities and colleges have styles they stick to and you may lose marks unnecessarily. It is often a small part of the rubric. Usually your college should provide a crib sheet for all the different citation and reference list styles. 

In reply to Timmd:

Be thankfull you now have tools such as Zotero, EndNote etc. I hate to think how long I spent typing references for my PhD back in the 80s, or time frequently reformatting references for publications where it seemed every journal had its own system.

In reply to Timmd:

Saw the title thread. It instantly put a little shudder through my body that I haven't felt for over 10 years. uugghhh APA.

In reply to lithos:

How would you go about citing and referencing this site for getting roadside air quality readings? It almost seems to not fit any category other than it's own, in being an online tool for accessing data.

https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/data/gis-mapping/   

In reply to Timmd:

Are you using Mendeley or Endnote or similar. Will save you a lot of fiddling.

In reply to Timmd:

This is a good resource for APA style: https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/research_and_citation/apa_style/apa_formatting_a...

I would strongly suggest that you aim these questions at the people who will mark your work though.  They should give you very clear instructions about this (unless they're intending not to be overly anal about it ... we live in hope). If they don't give clear instructions, politely request that they do, raising it with your student reps if necessary.

In reply to Timmd:

No. Your in-text citation and end of essay referencing are different ways to conform to the APA (or any referencing) system.

In-text, all you need is Environmental Protection UK (2020) or (Environmental Protection UK, 2020), depending on how you want to use the parenthesis [i.e. "According to Environmental Protection UK (2020) ..." or: "Research shows that air pollution can cause long-term damage to people's health in the UK (Environmental Protection UK, 2020) ..."], plus a page number if you're including a direct quote. 

Everything else gets shoved in your Reference list. So, something like this:

Environmental Protection UK (2020) National Air Quality Law and Policy. Online: https://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/policy-areas/air-quality/air-po.... Accessed 01/12/202.

Every university will have its own guidelines/interpretations/preferences. Check your student handbook and/or ask your module/course leader. When you find them, follow them.

Finally, I note the webpage contains links to other documents (bills and reports). Is it the host site (Environmental Protection UK) you are primarily interested in or the bills and reports? If the latter it might be worth going one step further and quoting the documents themselves.

In reply to Martin Wood: Thanks, I went to a different site in the end, but that's very helpful information. 

I've just submitted my first piece, if my referencing is the only thing which comes back as needing looking at again I will be quite pleased with that, because I had a suddenly realisation at the end about how I could have done things better. 

Handily, in being 'officially depressed' (I take pills but am generally okay), I will be able to register as such and get more time and things which could be helpful, in aiming for the official one but with extra in hand. What you lose on the slides you gain on the swings, I guess.

In reply to Timmd:

No worries. It is confusing, not least because there seem to be as many referencing systems as disciplines these days and every bloody journal wants a different format.

The key thing to remember about referencing is that you are creating an audit trail. Someone should be able to come after you and (a) be able to find your references and (b) find the same information as you did in the place you said you found it.

In reply to Doug:

This, +10!

In reply to Doug:

Pah, back in my day I had carved my thesis onto 1000 stone tablets only to realise I had numbered my references incorrectly.  I had to do the whole thing again.  Took me bloody ages.

In reply to Timmd:

bibtex

In reply to gravy:

Ahhh, now there are pleasant memories.

In reply to Timmd:

just got back online and seen this (and dislikes for my post.... very odd)

i haven't checked in detail (i am retied now  but it's a bit odd as you are expecting the reader to do quite a large amount of work to recreate the map you are using. With your dept's heavy use of GiS I would expect them to give you good guidance on this sort of resource.

BTW many academics have replied to this thread urging you to check your depts guidance as they are marking and may have local rules - so ask/check with a tutor.  A note here as Cath hints at, we always corrected but rarely dropped marks for referencing errors. As a mature student you are a useful asset in not being scared to ask questions that many younger students will not do, I always liked our mature students.

I'd go with in ....

in text:   

It's very smoggy around here according to DEFRA (Department for Environment Food & Rural Affairs 2020)

In Refs section a short one (again APA 7 which has dropped the 'accessed on' from APA 6 I think as its now the date)

Department for Environment Food & Rural Affairs (30 Nov 2020)   https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/data/gis-mapping/