In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
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> Agreed. Politicians who believe in anything much are usually pretty bad politicians (cf Michael Foot, Clare Short) and frequently outright lunatics (see Michael Gove). What we need are people who are interested in good administration, propriety and not doing anything stupid, which is generally the summit of any government's achievement. Unfortunately those qualities don't look good at the ballot box because the public is so stupid and gullible, so consequently we get the politicians we deserve and imagine that it's their fault rather than ours.
I know what you mean but I think what's missing from Clare Short's personality is a sense of pragmatism. Politics is the art of the possible and when you get into office things generally turn out to be a lot more complicated than they seem from the outside, as far as I can see anyway.
Another thought about this idealism thing. Last week I went to see Ken Loach's new film,
http://www.thespiritof45.com/About-The-Film/A-Brief-Synopsis . The film showed how the Labour government created the national health service, started a masive programme of housing improvements (council house building), improved welfare, brought in health and safety legislaton that made real differences to working conditions and nationalised a host of industries in the course of a few years. They transformed the country straight after six years of war and with no money in the bank. It was done on the foundation of a clear idealogy and a real sense of purpose.
I now understand why the Atlee Government is regarded as the best government the UK had in the 20th century. One more point, most of the ministers in that government had been ministers in the war time government so were already very experienced in governing a country and making it happen.