In reply to Chris Craggs:
> a new symbol to indicate offwidth/awkward/graunchy type of climbs that abound on grit
Do we need such a symbol? Why can't climbers simply stand under a route a look at it?
Come to think of it, are any of the symbols worth having as they appear very subjective to me? For instance 'pumpy' to one climber may not be to another and the 'flutter' symbol is even more subjective: define 'scary'? I know people who get gripped when the runner goes below chin height! Others may solo at their leading limit...
I'm not knocking the guides as it would be hypocritical of me: I have two of them. However does this 'precision' defining of routes not sanitize climbing a bit too much? Is it not sufficient to merely have a grade and an inkling of where the route goes, rather than breaking down a route into a mere joining of the dots? Just my thoughts.